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BGST

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05-08-2018 05:01 AM

Topic tags/keywords: saw blade brake spins too long rigid ts3650 question

I recently bought the Rigid TS3650 which is such a great saw. It is so quiet and has so many more options than previous models I’ve owned. Everything about the saw has pleased me but for 2 things.

Ever hear the saying about how a chain is only as good as the weakest link. Well my first issue about this terrific saw is about the fence. When I bought the saw the fence’s handle was broken but I was confident I could have it welded if I couldn’t I’d just buy a new part. It looks like it is solid here but its just pushed together.

The fence’s quality, aside from the handle, seems like a much more expensive one but they designed the handle way too weak. Its made of a plastic that can’t even be welded when it breaks. Even though Rigid learned the handle was weak, instead of creating a solution they actually discontinued the part! This shows how it broke and as you can see it looks like it is very hard to fix.

It is quite a complicated design but I tried making it out of maple any way. I thought it would be a hard enough wood and maybe hold up but when placed in the fence the first time I applied pressure a piece broke off. Because of all the time I spent making it look just like the original, I felt very successful. Unfortunately, I think it was too weak because it had to be so thin to fit.

Finally, I made a sandwich of 2 pieces of Lexan with the broken handle pieces between them. I drilled 8 very small holes through all pieces, then wired them together. Boy, was I surprised that it worked. Very solid but doesn’t look very good. So if anyone knows how I could have it made, for a reasonable price, out of metal I’d love to hear it. This picture is upside down, even though it is upright on my computer when I inserted it. Since it was upright when inserted don’t know how to edit here. Sorry!

Now that I have fixed the fence the last issue is all about how the blade seems to spin forever once its shut down. It literally takes about 30 seconds to stop. Very unsafe in my opinion so I would love to find a way to make a brake. I do not want to use a piece of wood to pressure the side of the blade to slow it down.

So, does anyone have an idea on how to make a brake or what to do to stop the blade sooner?

-- Barry, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada


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syenefarmer

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#1 posted 05-08-2018 01:47 PM

Nice job on that handle, I suspect you may be hearing from others asking for help on how to make one for themselves.

As far as I know, there is no way to fix that blade issue. My old TS3612 also took a long time for the blade to stop and I think that’s just the way it is with most or all saws in that price category.

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jonah

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#2 posted 05-08-2018 02:06 PM

30 seconds seems excessive. It’s possible that the bearings are bad. When bearings lose their lubrication, saws can behave that way.

There’s no real way to build a blade brake for that kind of saw. With 3-phase saws you can configure a VFD to brake the motor, but with single phase induction motors that isn’t really possible.

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#3 posted 05-08-2018 03:28 PM

Take a look at the bearings. If that doesn’t help, I think using a piece of scrap wood to stop the blade is a lot simpler than installing something….you can also just drop the blade below the surface.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#4 posted 05-08-2018 04:22 PM

First thing that comes to mind is rigging up a brake from a bicycle. Should be able to do a cable brake setup and make a custom piece that attaches to the blade carriage.

-- The quality of one's woodworking is directly related to the amount of flannel worn.

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jonah

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#5 posted 05-08-2018 05:37 PM

I wouldn’t recommend trying to jerry-rig some sort of bike brake based system. Just wait the 30 seconds, or, more likely, replace the bearings and get back to the ~10s most tablesaws take to come to a complete stop.

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runswithscissors

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#6 posted 05-10-2018 05:06 AM

To stop the blade, don’t press on it sideways. Just keep a cast off chunk of hardwood to push into the teeth as if you were going to saw it. It’ll only take a couple of second, and won’t put undue stress on the blade guides or bearings.

-- I admit to being an adrenaline junky; fortunately, I'm very easily frightened

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MrUnix

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#7 posted 05-10-2018 07:07 AM

It is quite a complicated design but I tried making it out of maple any way. [...] So if anyone knows how I could have it made, for a reasonable price, out of metal I d love to hear it.

Not metal, but since you obviously can make a duplicate out of wood, I’d make one out of HDPE instead (recycled milk jugs). Works the same (or easier) than wood, is much stronger, and it won’t cost you anything.

Now that I have fixed the fence the last issue is all about how the blade seems to spin forever once its shut down. It literally takes about 30 seconds to stop.
[...]
So, does anyone have an idea on how to make a brake or what to do to stop the blade sooner?
- BGST

As mentioned in your other thread on this, as well as a few posts above – it sounds like your bearings are toast and need to be replaced. I’d also check belt tension, as that can amplify the problem.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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Underdog

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#8 posted 05-10-2018 12:02 PM

As for the handle, you could make one out of a solid aluminum block that you scrounge from a local machine shop.

You could possibly get some guy who has read the Dave Gingery metalworking books to sand cast you one in his charcoal foundry. As long as he has the original kinda glued together…

-- Jim, Georgia, USA

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BGST

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#9 posted 05-10-2018 05:41 PM

Thanks for all the suggestions and helpful ideas. I wish I had seen the HDPE idea earlier though because I just found a DIY Workshop in my city and he is going to mill it for me out of aluminum for $150.

Still hoping someone can tell me why a picture that is right side up ends up upside down when attached here. Or if there is a way to rotate the image once it is uploaded.

I don’t know how but I’ll post the finished product once done but then I would like to end this so others don’t try helping me for nothing. So if someone could fill me on on how to stop receiving comments on something solved I’d appreciate it.

-- Barry, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

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Underdog

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#10 posted 05-10-2018 07:03 PM

Your images are rotated or upside down because forum scrubs the metadata embedded in the photo from the camera you used. So when the auto-rotate data isn’t there, the photo reverts to actual orientation.

You can edit/rotate the photo in an editor like IrfanView or similar and that will take care of the problem.

-- Jim, Georgia, USA

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BGST

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#11 posted 05-10-2018 07:50 PM



Your images are rotated or upside down because forum scrubs the metadata embedded in the photo from the camera you used. So when the auto-rotate data isn t there, the photo reverts to actual orientation.

You can edit/rotate the photo in an editor like IrfanView or similar and that will take care of the problem.

- Underdog

Thanks Underdog, for trying to fill me in but I’m still lost about how to fix the picture issue. The image in my Mac Photos program shows it is right side up. I tried to edit it and save it by rotating it around and back to right side up but it still shows up as you can see here. To make it work would I actually have to save it upside down?

-- Barry, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

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MrUnix

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#12 posted 05-10-2018 08:15 PM

Why Your iPhone Photos Are Upside Down & How To Fix That

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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Loren

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#13 posted 05-10-2018 08:20 PM

Saw fence looks the same as Craftsman.
Emerson made saws for both HD and Sears.
They are very similar.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Craftsman-089037011037-Table-Saw-Rip-Fence-Handle-for-CRAFTSMAN-/192360669320

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BGST

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#14 posted 05-10-2018 09:40 PM

Hi Brad, Great information and I’ll know how to take iPhone pics with the volume buttons down now.


Why Your iPhone Photos Are Upside Down & How To Fix That

Cheers,
Brad

- MrUnix


Why Your iPhone Photos Are Upside Down & How To Fix That

Cheers,
Brad

- MrUnix


-- Barry, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

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