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bigblockyeti

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04-14-2018 12:00 AM

Topic tags/keywords: rant

Ok it’s no secret that if you’re selling something on CL you’re going to be dealing with more than a few flakes, tire kickers & scammers but it seems to be on the rise, at least for me.
I’m getting ready to move and I already knew I was a hoarder, I just didn’t realize how bad. Much of the smaller stuff I’m trying to liquidate isn’t that expensive and I know I’m likely to be offered 70% – 80% of what I’m asking so it’s priced accordingly and sells. The bigger ticket stuff (anything over $300) seems to attract dreamers, flakes and scammers like flies to dung. I had a 60 gallon Ingersoll Rand compressor i was asking $425 and despite identifying i would accept calls and e-mail only, I was inundated with text offers mostly under $100. My boat priced at $3500 has generated more tire kickers than nearly any other vehicle ever, many people “want to buy it now” but look and never hear from them again. I just have pulled it out of the garage over two dozen times just to run a hose and fire it up for someone just to have them look, often intently and nothing more. It’s almost like a museum piece at this point, if I was charging admission for people to see it I would have already made what I was asking just in ticket sales. I put my 18 year old minivan up for $1400 and like before mandating e-mail or calls only & no text, I’ve already received 5 text offers in less than 6 hours from posting offering to send me a certified check and have their “shipper” pick it up. This scam is obviously pretty visible but the text conversations continue with different origin phone numbers.
I’ve heard folks say they’d rather burn anything than sell it on CL and by the time I’ve rid myself of all the extraneous crap I probably never needed in the first place, I’ll likely share that same sentiment!

-- "Lack of effort will result in failure with amazing predictability" - Me


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Monte Pittman

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#1 posted 04-14-2018 12:05 AM

Anything you can drop off for me at new location? It’s not far out of your way? :-O

-- Nature created it, I just assemble it.

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#2 posted 04-14-2018 12:42 AM

Do you need a minivan, boat or a crap ton of dry rough ash in 2’-3’ lengths?

-- "Lack of effort will result in failure with amazing predictability" - Me

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#3 posted 04-14-2018 08:45 AM

I have a real estate lot for sale in a gated community posted on CL. I had several that wanted to send me a cashiers check and after it cleared they would send their shipper to pick it up.
CL works if you want it to, just need to have the right shipper lol lol lol

-- Dick, Malvern Ohio - my biggest fear is that when I die, my wife sells my toys for what I told her I paid for them

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#4 posted 04-14-2018 11:32 AM

Did you ask if their “shipper” could handle that on it of load?

-- "Lack of effort will result in failure with amazing predictability" - Me

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#5 posted 04-14-2018 11:43 AM

“Did you ask if their “shipper” could handle that on it of load?”.........

If he had he would probably be just as confused as the rest of us…I’ve read this 42 times and I still don’t get what is being asked….....

I bought a nice machine off of craigs list about a year ago. I think the people were a little different. I had a lot of trouble getting the guy to give me his address so I could come and get the machine. Finally after a week of piddling around I said, “buddy I cant guess where you live, now are you selling this thing or not?” I arrived at his house and he was shaking like a leaf…very, very overly nervous without cause. I said or did nothing out of line at any time. I paid him and we loaded it up and his wife comes out. Very friendly and she seemed normal. Then she asks, “do you guys want to try some Mexican coke?” Me and the retired deputy I was with looked at each other and she said, “coca-cola!!” Then she brings out 2 bottles of “coca-cola” with Spanish written on the bottle, opens them and says, “here you go, notice how much better it taste!” She then said that they like Mexican coke so much that they go there once a year and stock up on it…...only in America!!!

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#6 posted 04-15-2018 01:56 AM

Does anybody know how the “I’ll send my shipper to pick it up after the check clears” scam works? I’m just curious. I buy and sell on CL all the time and just ignore that scam stuff when I get those texts but I’ve always been curious how it works. You can’t blame CL for that. Scammers are scammers and will find creative ways of exploiting any system. I can’t really figure out a rhyme or reason that some postings attract those scams and some don’t. When I listed my $4K boat I got zero calls and when I listed my guitar for $400 I got 4 of them. There must be some kind of bot or algorithm? eBay has similar scams too. Not their fault.

-- Andy - Seattle USA

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#7 posted 04-15-2018 02:55 AM

Does anybody know how the “I ll send my shipper to pick it up after the check clears” scam works? I m just curious.
- Andybb

They send you a bogus check for more than the asking price, and then want you to wire the excess either to them or the ‘shipper’. Of course, they want you to keep a little extra for your trouble as well :) Fun guys to play with if you feel like messing with them. The 419eater site has some of the funniest scambaiting stories I’ve ever seen.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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#8 posted 04-15-2018 03:15 AM



Does anybody know how the “I ll send my shipper to pick it up after the check clears” scam works? I m just curious.
- Andybb

You ask $400 bucks for an item for sale. They send a check for $800 which pays for your item and includes an extra $400 for the shipping/delivery company to pick up your item. You deposit the check (preferably at an ATM at their urging), wait for it to clear and send the shipper $400. They come pick up the item. A few days later you get a call from the bank that informing you that the check was bogus.

You’re out $400 and your item is gone. It’s a scam that’s been worked for a long time but they must have some success. They’re still doing it. I had a recent encounter with one such scammer recently and the correspondence was so laughable I posted it in this thread. I strung them along for a while before they finally caught on that I was the scammer.

-- "You know, I'm such a great driver, it's incomprehensible that they took my license away." --Vince Ricardo

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#9 posted 04-15-2018 02:11 PM

I have bought and sold everything from woodworking equipment to cars to motorcycles to lumber and I have never had any problems. Maybe the problem is your location.

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msinc

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#10 posted 04-15-2018 05:06 PM


Does anybody know how the “I ll send my shipper to pick it up after the check clears” scam works?

- Andybb

The answers you got on this question so far can be correct, but the way I have seen it done is this: you advertise an item that has to be picked up and/or shipped from your location. The item is typically a boat, car, motorcycle, etc. Usually something with a title, but not necessarily. You get a call from a buyer who is very excited, doesn’t haggle at all and just absolutely has to have it because that is what he has been looking for for so long. He says that he is sending his “shipper” to get it. He also understands that he has to pay the shipping, so he will send a “certified” {certified fake!!!} check with the shipper which includes the shipping fee. He asks that you give the shipper cash for his fee when he arrives and this is of course no problem because he has already paid you the difference. So, the shipper arrives, always too late to go to the bank with the fake check {how thoughtful of him}, you sign over the title, he leaves with your boat the title to the boat and some of your hard earned cash to boot. In return you get zero because the check is no good. It generally does not involve mailing or wiring money somewhere else after the fact. This is a well thought out and unfortunately all to often successful scam because like most good scams that work for the con man, it don’t involve much effort on your part and you believe you have successfully sold your item. The person actually performing the cam is only interested in selling your item to someone else. That person gets caught when he tries to obtain title, usually in another state and the item pops up stolen on the computers. Needless to say the “shipper” is in on the scam too, but not always. The usual excuse as to why he would like you to pay the shipper is always the same…you are in North Carolina, the buyer is in Virginia {not really} the shipper is on his way back from South Carolina and luckily and to make this quick he can just stop on his way home, but needs to get paid. A good con man always has an excuse that makes perfect sense and of course they always make it sound so good. They also say things like, “can I trust you on your word?” {regarding the condition of the item} or, “do you think it would be safe to send a certified check? I don’t really know the shipper.”
Bottom line, if they have an African or Jamaican accent…just hang up.

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#11 posted 04-15-2018 08:42 PM

Love/Hate CL.

Any item I listed in past over $80-100 always seemed to generate scammer responses (typically asking to use certified check and 3rd party shipper).
BUT
99% of issues I had with scammers disappeared when I stopped including a phone number, and switched to only email correspondence for initial contact. Emails have IP address of sender’s PC/Phone, and are traceable by Craigslist and authorities. Scammers know this, and most skipped my listings.

Once someone actually takes an extra minute to create/send me an email, AND includes a phone number; I switch to calling or text them to close the deal little faster.

Yes, I probably lose a few buyers that want it NOW, and think only communication medium in world is text messaging, but everything I list on CL sells?

IMHO – The hardest part of selling on CL is setting price.
If list no price, no one replies except a few low ball and scam offers.
If list too high a price, and post are willing to negotiate; you get mostly low ball ‘take it or leave it’ offers.
If price is too low, you get frantic emails/calls asking to come see it immediately from people who resale and want to make money on your stuff. If you do not reply instantly, people get irate when you respond and think you are scamming them.

Responses I dislike most from CL are people offering to help me sell my item. Usually only happens when listing something with wheels (RV/motorcycle/scooter/cycle), and selling for more than ~$1000. They offer to help sell by posting more CL ads, plus ads on alternate sites like Flea Bay; for a huge commission on sale; regardless of who sells it. ugh.

Love/Hate CL ….

-- I'm an engineer not a woodworker, but I can randomly find useful tools and furniture inside a pile of lumber!

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#12 posted 04-16-2018 02:30 AM



I have bought and sold everything from woodworking equipment to cars to motorcycles to lumber and I have never had any problems. Maybe the problem is your location.

- ArtMann


The CL and eBay scam thing is world wide. You’ve just been lucky or you just happen to list in a way that doesn’t attract the scammers. Good job.

-- Andy - Seattle USA

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