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Dustin

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04-12-2018 06:47 PM

Topic tags/keywords: question maple spray gun finishing

Well, I’m about to embark on a project for a friend of mine building him a small kitchen side table. It’s going to live up against a wall, directly under a window, and will hold some small kitchen appliances (coffee maker, toaster, etc.). The base of the table is going to be painted poplar (something in the eggshell to bright white range: “antiqued” or faded white got vetoed by his wife), and the top will be maple.

This whole project is really just an excuse to refine my loose tenon jig a little bit, and also use my new HV5500 sprayer. I figured I could get a feel for it on a “favor” project before dipping into something larger like re-facing all of my cabinets. That being said, I’m at a bit of a loss as far as finishing this thing.

I thought originally I might try to spray the base using GF milk paint (likely laying down a seal coat of shellac first, to help block out any bleed-through), then topcoat with whatever finish I’d use for the maple top. I was leaning toward water based, in order to avoid too much yellowing too soon in the maple.

Of course, I couldn’t stop there, and am now suffering from analysis paralysis. For instance, it looks like the Target EM6500 tinted white lacquer might also be a good choice for the base. But if I went this route, would I need an additional topcoat of something like the EM9000 for added durability? I’d still need a durable topcoat for the maple top, at any rate.

I’m not limited to just these two options, and am open to suggestions from you spraying and finishing enthusiasts that have a favorite go-to.

-- "Ladies, if your husband says he'll get to it, he'll get to it. No need to remind him about it every 6 months."


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splintergroup

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#1 posted 04-12-2018 06:51 PM

If you are really itching to give your sprayer a go, I’d opt for a pre-cat lacquer since it is both durable and easy to get right. You can pick up a quart at your local Sherwin-Williams or other paint specialty shop.

Of course spraying thinned poly is also easy, durable, and inexpensive.

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#2 posted 04-12-2018 06:55 PM



If you are really itching to give your sprayer a go, I d opt for a pre-cat lacquer since it is both durable and easy to get right. You can pick up a quart at your local Sherwin-Williams or other paint specialty shop.

Of course spraying thinned poly is also easy, durable, and inexpensive.

- splintergroup

Yup, forgot to mention that was also an option on my short list! Especially considering I plan to restore my own cabinets, and get to some built-in’s later this year, any finish with durability, versatility, and ease of use that would be suited for all of these is incredibly appealing.

-- "Ladies, if your husband says he'll get to it, he'll get to it. No need to remind him about it every 6 months."

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#3 posted 04-12-2018 08:07 PM

My Earlex 6003 is still awaiting its first use (other than a test with pure water).
But from my hours of internet surfing, you’re right, spraying water based is easiest – no explosive fumes if spraying inside, and easy cleanup.
GF milk paint or Target EM6500 sound like good choices. If the table will set next to a south window in the sun, and you want UV protection, consider GF 450, or Target EM9300. I have both of these to try on sample boards for my window jamb/trim project. Target’s website says the EM9300 is also extremely durable/scratch resistant.

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#4 posted 04-12-2018 08:37 PM

Never used the Target white EM but I have the black – very good stuff. No topcoat required but you can if you want. Target EM6000 lacquer with x- linker, EM 9000 or 9300 will all work. Sometimes folks have issues with turbine spray units and wb – I use a conversion gun so no help there. Precat is great if you can deal with the explosive fumes properly.

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AandCstyle

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#5 posted 04-12-2018 09:20 PM

Dustin, I agree with OSU and I have sprayed the EM6500. It is a very forgiving product so it is a good one with which to get your feet wet, so to speak. I put it on shutters and haven’t noticed any yellowing as yet. I don’t think you will need cross linker for the base but definitely recommend it for the top. HTH

-- Art

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#6 posted 04-13-2018 12:09 PM

Thanks for all the feedback, fellas.

D38, my main concern with the table by the window (north facing, sitting just under the sill) was using a topcoat that wouldn’t be terribly altered by the UV exposure. I want a mostly clear/non-yellowing finish on the bare maple for this, so the 9300 may be the way to go (I’ve read lots of good things about it, including the 9000 line’s resistance to chemical household cleaners).

OSU, I appreciate the feedback. Everyone talks very highly of Target coatings products, so I’m glad to get another positive endorsement. I intend to contact Earlex (maybe they’ll chime in here?) on spraying their products with the 5500, and which needle size they recommend for them.

Art, those shutters look great! Out of curiosity, what was your spray setup for that?

I think the positive votes are in, and doubt it’s best for me to continue to overthink this. As an aside, a small toiletries cabinet for our bathroom is also on my short list of projects. Any word on whether the EM6500 would be a good choice for a “wet” location project like this?

Also, anyone know of brick-and-mortar stores that carry their products? I don’t particularly mind ordering them, but the package handlers in my area are a little questionable at times.

-- "Ladies, if your husband says he'll get to it, he'll get to it. No need to remind him about it every 6 months."

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#7 posted 04-13-2018 02:20 PM

I found a Miller Paint store locally in the Portland, OR area. Check with Miller Paint stores.

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#8 posted 04-13-2018 03:39 PM

Dustin,

I bet your 5500 will spray all of the products you’re considering just fine.
The gun manual on my 6003 says to follow the product’s recommended needle size. For Target Coatings, open this link, then the Technical Data Sheet for your product. Most are going to call for a 1.3mm, which I bet your gun came with.
https://www.targetcoatings.com/product-use-technical-information-safety-data-sheets/
If it says 1.3-1.5, you’ll probably get best results with a 1.3 since your 5500 is a 2 stage turbine, so it doesn’t have as much air volume to properly atomize a higher volume of fluid coming thru the bigger needles.

Hoover Paint in TN carries Target, and will ship to you also.
https://www.targetcoatings.com/2017/12/13/emtech-wood-finish-now-available-at-hoover-paint-in-tennessee/

For Earlex tech support, he’s a member here, “Earlextech”, and his name is Sam Hamory. I talked to him at the Kansas City wood show in Feb. Nice, knowledgeable guy. And I brought home a 6003. If he doesn’t respond here, call Wagner tech support and ask for him. He’s the Earlex expert.

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#9 posted 04-13-2018 04:08 PM

General Finishes sells a pigmented poly in black or white in 3 different sheens – flat, semi and gloss.

It is about the same thickness as their regular poly and is very easy to spray. Dries fairly quickly and is pretty easy to sand

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#10 posted 04-13-2018 04:22 PM

d38,
Thanks for the link. I suppose it’ll come down to whoever has more affordable shipping (though it was $10 for 2 quarts from Target, which I think is pretty reasonable). I actually need to pick up the 1.5mm tip for my 5500. The one complaint I’ve heard from other users is that it comes with the 2.0mm by default, and that size rarely gets used.

John,
I’d heard of the GF Enduro White, but had more trouble finding retailers aside from Etsy sellers (which is kinda weird). I can’t even find it on Woodcraft’s website, surprising considering how many GF products they carry. I’ll have to call the store to check, I suppose. Since they just put out the $10 off $25 purchases coupon, it’d be worth my while to pick up some finishes from them this week anyhow.

-- "Ladies, if your husband says he'll get to it, he'll get to it. No need to remind him about it every 6 months."

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bxmartin

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#11 posted 04-13-2018 05:54 PM

I just used my fuji sprayer for the first time with target coatings 6500 on a desk that I built. Was really pleased with the product and how smoothly it went down. Target also custom tinted it to a benjamin moore color (cloud nine) that I picked out, at no additional cost.

Brian

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#12 posted 04-13-2018 06:01 PM


John,
I d heard of the GF Enduro White, but had more trouble finding retailers aside from Etsy sellers (which is kinda weird). I can t even find it on Woodcraft s website, surprising considering how many GF products they carry. I ll have to call the store to check, I suppose. Since they just put out the $10 off $25 purchases coupon, it d be worth my while to pick up some finishes from them this week anyhow.

- Dustin

One of my local lumberyards (Peterman Lumber) carries it. I have never used the white, but I have used several gallons of the black and I am very pleased with it. Almost as easy as spraying lacquer and a lot more durable

Here is a link where you can see if anyone sells it in your area
https://generalfinishes.com/where-to-buy

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AandCstyle

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#13 posted 04-13-2018 08:33 PM

Dustin, thank you. I used an AccuSpray HVLP gun with a 1.1mm nozzle IIRC. It is better to use more light coats than fewer heavy coats, but a 1.3 would also be fine. HTH

-- Art

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