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lswain

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04-09-2018 06:13 PM

Hey guys I am making a boat sign out of teak. I hand carved and I have painted an out line and gold leafed the letters. The background is bare teak. Now I wanna teak oil it but is it ok to oil over paint and gold leaf? If not what process should I use? I havent gold leafed it yet so I could put a finish down first and then the gold leaf on top if that works better?? Here is a mock up I did in cedar as an example.thank you


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#1 posted 04-09-2018 06:41 PM

Nice carving. Real gold leaf or imitation?

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#2 posted 04-09-2018 07:12 PM

I was thinking you were asking about the sign in the photo.

you should do ALL the sealing and varnishing PRIOR to gilding.
depending on the type of gold leaf you will be using, sets the avenue
of how you will be finishing it.

there are pretty firm procedures about doing gold leafed name board for boats.
please explain in detail of how you have gotten this far with the gold.

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#3 posted 04-09-2018 07:13 PM

Thank you. Real gold leaf.

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#4 posted 04-09-2018 07:24 PM

The picture I posted is a cedar mock up thats just painted and finished. The sign I am working on now is in teak. I have carver and primed the letters white. From what you have said John should i paint, stain and then gold leaf? should I use a varnish instead of teak oil? then last put down the gold leaf? And even crazy questing if you were to steam bend it with a slight curve when in the process would you do that?

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#5 posted 04-09-2018 07:39 PM

when it comes to teak, there are certain things you must do before you apply
any kind of sealer, paint or varnish.
I wrote an article a few years ago on gilding teak boat name boards. I will try to find it for you.

question: will this sign actually be going on a boat ?? or just a wall hanger in someone’s home.

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#6 posted 04-09-2018 07:50 PM

I used teak cleaner and teak brightener before I primed the letters. Its for the back of a 30ft sail boat and will need to be steam bent a little to fit on the stern. I dont know what step in the process to bend it either??

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#7 posted 04-09-2018 09:23 PM

Iswain – surface gilding is an artform. if you are considering doing gold leaf projects
on a regular basis, I strongly suggest you purchase some books tailored just for the sign makers.
surface gilding is an acquired skill and takes practice and you must use the proper techniques
and products if you are wanting to produce a gilded product that will last for years, there are steps
you must go through for certain woods as well as using certain products in a certain order.
there are dozens of videos on YouTube made by professionals and amateurs that demonstrate
the basic procedures but don’t really emphasize the process from start to finish for exterior projects.
use any books and view any videos with caution and experiment on scrap materials prior to
advancing to your real projects. (it can save you tons of time and money in the long run).
a very good periodical to subscribe to is SignCraft magazine. written by signmakers – for signmakers.
https://www.signcraft.com/
the signmakers forum that I normally suggest is falling into disrepair as the two owner/operators
have passed away and the new owners have shifted over to FaceBook. which is not nearly as helpful. https://www.facebook.com/groups/949772998427199/?fref=nf
gold leaf supplies: https://www.letterheadsignsupply.com/

now – a quick tutorial for your teak name board:
carve and steam bend first ~ then sand smooth.
the incised letters must be sanded down to glass smooth.
wash with acetone and apply two coats of 50/50 mix of very high quality Spar Varnish and mineral spirits.
apply 8 coats of the same varnish over all surfaces as well as the backside.
prime the incised letters with oil based primer
apply 2 coats of 1-Shot Primrose or Lemon yellow sign enamel – sanding between coats.
apply a thin even coat of 12 hour (slow dry) gold size.
turn the board over to prevent the size from puddling into the deep crevices.
after 12-16 hours, apply 23k-XXX loose leaf gold and clean excess gold with medical grade cotton.
after 24 hours, burnish the gold to a high luster. do not clearcoat the gold leaf with anything.
[the first 8 coats of Spar Varnish is a “process” – not just slap on 8 coats out of the can].

some of the products used in surface gilding:

Read, Understand and Follow the instructions on the label of all products you use.
Pay particular attention to the safety notes and heed the warnings accordingly.
any rags used in the prepping/painting process that have solvents, oils or paint on them,
should be laid out in the open to completely air dry prior to discarding them

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#8 posted 04-09-2018 10:46 PM

when you steam bend the board – go about 3 inches past the point that you need and let it cool
in order to compensate for the wood wanting to spring back to its original position (flat).
there are many, many tutorial videos on YouTube about steam bending different kinds of wood.
and – the wood must return back to its original moisture content before you go any further.

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-- I am a painter. That's what I do. I paint things --

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