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04-02-2018 12:37 PM

I have been researching a stair rail replacement shelf unit for over a year. We had vinyl plank flooring done last spring and the railings were removed to complete that. I have a 10 foot stretch from the top of the stairs over to the front wall of the house in which to build this thing. I have Googled about 4000 hours worth of internet time and still can’t find a set of plans that make sense to me to build it with. I am fairly new to woodworking but not so new to home improvement stuff. I’ve learned drywall, paint, texturing, plumbing, basic framing, etc. I am a bit nervous to buy some spendy boards and screw it all up without some plans. I’ve tried Sketchup but I’m not very good with it. I have a visual problem with spacial and perspective images so good plans with pictures would be a major plus for me. I have saved a couple images I found online and have posted them here to give an idea what we’re looking for. This picture didn’t have any plans with it and took me to a site that my virus software wouldn’t let me go any further. It’s definitely going to be unpainted, natural wood finish probably using good plywood and hardwoods. Can someone point me to a site that sells good plans or might have a set of plans I could buy or borrow? Most of the stuff I am seeing are very small or narrow and I am not quite sure how to adapt them. Please help, thanks.
Mark M

-- Retired to a life of fishing and raising boys in Alaska


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#1 posted 04-02-2018 02:12 PM

Well, I’m not much further along the woodworking ladder than you, but I would think the first thing you want to do is get a rough idea of the dimensions you want this thing to be.

If you’re going with 10 ft, you’re probably going to want to build two bookcases and butt them together.

You can always try searching the sketchup warehouse for a design that you like, that you could then just modify for the space.

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#2 posted 04-02-2018 08:07 PM

Basically you are building a long box or open face cabinet.
So questions that arise are do you want to use a veneered plywood (hardwood veneer like Oak or Walnut) or solid wood or a mix? If you use plywood you will need to put a face frame on it to cover the end grain and also strengthen the box against torquing out of square. Shelves can be plywood with a solid wood edge glued on to cover the plies. The shelves can be dadoed in and be permanent our you can use one of several methods to make them adjustable. Will it have a solid back? That too will strengthen the framework.
Because most plywood only comes in 8’ length and you have 10 feet to cover you may need make the top out of solid wood that length….gluing two or more pieces together length wise to make the width needed.

I suggest looking at some cabinet construction plans to see how they are assembled and if you have specific construction questions come back here and ask.

-- Les B, Oregon

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#3 posted 04-02-2018 08:41 PM

I apologize in advance for hijacking your thread, but I’m curious how you like the vinyl plank flooring. We’re considering it, but I have a hard time talking myself into getting something that looks like wood but isn’t actually wood. I’ve heard nothing but good things about it, but I can’t seem to convince myself to use it.

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#4 posted 04-02-2018 08:58 PM

Thanks for the replies guys. LesB, in your experience, what construction would be simpler for me as a novice between plywood with face frame or solid wood without? I realize the dilemma of the 10 foot stretch and would like suggestion as to how to work with that for a professional appearance. A middle split with trim pieces to cover the seam? I planned to have a back on it but remain flexible. I also planned for the toe kick to have a shotgun drawer tucked away in there. Another question concerning the drawer..Will a drawer in the toe kick hurt the strength much or should I perhaps add some strengthening in the bottom of the shelf near the drawer? If I could draw worth a darn, I would illustrate. Sorry.
Mark

-- Retired to a life of fishing and raising boys in Alaska

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#5 posted 04-02-2018 10:04 PM

I would extend the wall up about 36 inches with 2×3s and drywall, cap it with wood and just put adjustable shelves inside (divide the interior into three or four compartments). Attach the railing from the lower landing to that.

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#6 posted 04-02-2018 11:16 PM

No worries jerkylips, the vinyl is pretty nice and even has a texture. I sometimes can sort of “feel” it isn’t wood plus it has a different sound compared to some older homes I’ve been in with plank flooring but it’s still pretty nice. We decided on this stuff because our boys are 6 and 8 and R-O-U-G-H on things…especially floor. The little one is like a loose jackhammer wrapped in pissed off rattlesnakes. We knew they would destroy the visual long before we move on to another home so cheaper was better. I will advise this though, make sure they level the floor thoroughly and correctly or you’ll get broken planks on the interlocking lips.


I apologize in advance for hijacking your thread, but I m curious how you like the vinyl plank flooring. We re considering it, but I have a hard time talking myself into getting something that looks like wood but isn t actually wood. I ve heard nothing but good things about it, but I can t seem to convince myself to use it.

- jerkylips


-- Retired to a life of fishing and raising boys in Alaska

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#7 posted 04-03-2018 03:42 AM

Some good ideas here. Being new to projects like this if I was you I would think about it in overall dimensions first, then build a cardboard mockup, just tape it together to get a feel for how it looks. I’ve been designing and building for a long time and for me sketching is where it all begins. google images can also be a big help even with details.

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#8 posted 04-03-2018 11:48 AM



I apologize in advance for hijacking your thread, but I m curious how you like the vinyl plank flooring. We re considering it, but I have a hard time talking myself into getting something that looks like wood but isn t actually wood. I ve heard nothing but good things about it, but I can t seem to convince myself to use it.

- jerkylips

I have used it in my cabin and several rental houses. I also have it in my sons room. I like it, it is tough and it looks really good. The biggest thing you don’t want is the one that snaps or locks together. It is thick and I was told that it did not require any glue….just snap it together and go. That don’t work. It comes unhooked and you will be left looking at gaps between the planks. I had to take it all up and glue it anyway, so if that is the stuff you get then plan on just gluing it down from the start. Make no mistake though, it is tough, but it is not ceramic tile. You can scratch it if you really want to, but you have to work pretty hard at it. Best of luck.

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#9 posted 04-03-2018 05:28 PM

Thanks for the cardboard mockup idea.. my boys love making crap out of cardboard anyway so this will be a good thing for us to do together.

-- Retired to a life of fishing and raising boys in Alaska

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#10 posted 04-03-2018 06:13 PM

Hi Mark,
There are a number of ways to approach the construction. You are basically building a cabinet without doors so try looking at various cabinet construction plans (Google cabinet construction plans) to see the various methods of assembling a cabinet and then adjust them to your skills, measurements and needs. WoodSmith has a lot of plans you can buy for about $10. For the toe kick storage I would build a completely separate “box” to screw onto the bottom of your shelf cabinet. It is easier to construct that way but it would need some center support dividers to help carry the weight of the book shelf. With two young boys I hope you are not really going to store a gun in there. If you don’t a use 10’ solid wood top it might be easier to build two 5’ cabinets and fasten them together. Using a face frame you can cover the joining ends and trim could cover the top seam. Another possibility is to make a lap or tongue and groove joint to join two 5’ pieces. The seam would be visible but not too conspicuous. The back should be in a rabbit cut in the sides and top or a dado inset a quarter inch . If you glue and tack it in place it will help square and stiffen the whole cabinet.
With a 10’ one piece cabinet you will need at least two vertical dividers to support everything (books are heavy).

-- Les B, Oregon

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#11 posted 04-04-2018 04:09 AM

LesB, thanks for giving me the visual of it being essentially two cabinets without doors. I hadn’t thought of it like that. I’ve already accomplished a top piece of sorts on my downstairs on the foundation ledge where the wall starts. Is that called a sill plate? I am terrible with some terminology. Anyway, I did an 11 foot and a 12 foot stretch of mountain ash for my guest bedroom and bathroom. I had the boards machined from rough. It’s not pro but we’re happy with how it looks.
As to the shotgun, geez it’s getting bad enough here in Anchorage that most of the elementary kids walk in with 870’s these days..;) ..The drawer will get some type of lock like a rfid or something. Haven’t decided yet. Anyway my boys are trained well and everything is otherwise secured. But I appreciate where you’re coming from though.

-- Retired to a life of fishing and raising boys in Alaska

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