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dbw

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03-27-2018 12:23 PM

Topic tags/keywords: mortising machine mortise tenon

May I please get y’alls opinion on mortising machines? I’ve never owned/used one and I want to learn how to make m/t joints. I am considering the Rikon 34-260, Rikon 34-255 Jet JBM-5, and the Craftsman 21907. Is there a way of making QUALITY m/t joints without using a mortising machine?

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#1 posted 03-27-2018 12:41 PM

a search through YouTube may give you some pointers.
look for: How to Make Mortise and Tenon Joints with Hand Tools
personally, I don’t have the patience for it. maybe when I get older, I will try it.

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#2 posted 03-27-2018 12:52 PM

I use a plunge router to make the mortises and the table saw to make the tenons.

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#3 posted 03-27-2018 01:17 PM

A Mallet and Mortise Chisel? Get your self a good old English Pig Sticker, dual purpose?

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builtinbkyn

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#4 posted 03-27-2018 01:46 PM

Of the machines you listed, the Rikon 34-260 looks to be the best. It has x and y adjustability. Something the Shop Fox benchtop mortiser I had, was lacking. What I found with a benchtop mortiser is it needs a dedicated place to exist. They’re heavy. So moving them about the shop isn’t the thing to be doing. Also, having a larger table/platform to support work is very desirable, especially when working on larger pieces, which also requires dedicated shop space. In the end I sold it off. Didn’t use it much.

There’s lots of good instruction videos on the net for doing M&T by hand or assisted by a router or drill press.

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#5 posted 03-27-2018 02:01 PM

Definitely not a hard thing to do by hand. For starting out with hand cut mortise and tenon joinery, check out one of the more recent Paul Sellers video on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-08PY3stgo

I’ve tried it and it does work fairly well, though I’ve also done a fair bit of M&T joinery by hand prior to that.

My preferred mortising machine is this one, but it’s not for everyone LOL

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Manitario

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#6 posted 03-27-2018 02:33 PM

You definitely don’t need a mortise machine to get nice mortises, it just makes it easier, depending on the machine you have. Otherwise, there are many options to do mortises without a machine; do it by hand/drill out the waste and finish by hand/use or make a router jig eg. the Mortise Pal. I got a General 75-075 a couple years ago when I had a set of shelves to do with 50 mortises in hard maple. Quickest and easiest method of doing mortises by far.

Do yourself a favour though; get a machine with a good board hold-down system (like on the Rikon 34-260) and spend enough money to get a machine with a sliding X-Y table, it makes using it a lot easier.

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#7 posted 03-27-2018 02:55 PM

Dbw
Yes there are a number of ways to make Morices without a mortiser as others have pointed out but most are not as quick and easy as a mortiser I have a floor model and just bought the Rikon 34-260, that you’re considering, given I’ve just used it for a few motises I can’t give you a full review but I feel it’s a good solid machine with an “X /”Y table that most the other mortisers in that price rang don’t have, the only thing quicker is a domino.

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#8 posted 03-27-2018 04:42 PM

I’ve looked at them many times, and cannot justify the expense for a single use tool given the frequency that I’m cutting M&T. I use my routers, either hand held or table depending on the size of the piece. If I saw a machine on CL near me in the $100 range I may be tempted, but I’ve decided that I’m likely to be more willing to go for a Domino eventually, and would not need the mortiser.

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#9 posted 03-27-2018 04:42 PM

Unless you expect to make a lot of mortise and tenon joints a dedicated mortising machine is not necessary. As stated you can do it by hand, or use a plunge router and template or add a mortising attachment to your drill press. I did the latter with a Delta attachment for many years. I cut the tenons on the table saw with a tenon jig.

Recently I got a tool called a Pantorouter. It not only makes great mortise and tenons (both) with one set up it also makes dovetail and box joints plus a variety of other applications. It is not inexpensive but the versatility over a dedicated mortiser probably makes it worth it. You can check it out here: https://hybridpantorouter.com

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#10 posted 03-27-2018 04:49 PM

They aren’t so awfully difficult to make by
hand. You can chain drill them and then
use a chisel. You can just use a chisel. Paul
Sellers has a video showing an efficient method
for cutting them with a regular bevel edge
chisel. I was really surprised how fast he
did it.

Mortisers do make quick work of mortising but
they consume floor space. I like the horizontal
slot mortisers because you can mortise into
end grain with them for loose tenons which is
generally an easier method of work than cutting
tenons perfectly.

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#11 posted 03-27-2018 05:23 PM

If you are looking for quality M&T, plan onto spending some time learning how to use whatever method you select to make them. M&T may look easy to make, but there is a lot more to them than just cutting the ends off a board to make a tenon and punching a hole in another piece of wood to make a mortise. I don’t think there is any “best” way to make them. Pick a method and start learning. Plenty of help on LJ as you work through the learning process.

-- Earl "I'm a pessamist - generally that increases the chance that things will turn out better than expected"

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eflanders

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#12 posted 03-27-2018 10:21 PM

One thing no one has mentioned yeti is that a mortising machine will produce deeper mortises than a router or domino machine can. I got a used one years ago and wouldn’t give it up just for this reason!

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Loren

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#13 posted 03-27-2018 10:26 PM


One thing no one has mentioned yeti is that a mortising machine will produce deeper mortises than a router or domino machine can. I got a used one years ago and wouldn t give it up just for this reason!

- eflanders

True. They have their uses in making through
mortises for mission furniture. I sold my chisel
mortiser to a guy who was doing that.

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BikerDad

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#14 posted 03-28-2018 12:05 AM

A key consideration when looking at cutting mortises with a machine is this:

Do you want the ability to do rectilinear THROUGH mortises?

If you do, then a Hollow Chisel Mortiser (or a Drill Press with a HCM attachment) is the only pure machine work game in town. Rectilinear through mortises (RTM) are a signature design element of the various forms of Arts & Crafts (Prairie, G&G, etc) furniture. If you aren’t doing RTM, then any system you choose will work. Router, Router in fancy horizontal table setup, Domino, Drill Press & chisel, slot mortiser. You can do RTM with any of the others, but you have to square the ends of the mortise by hand.

Purportedly, the best current market hobby/light pro grade Hollow Chisel Mortiser is the Powermatic 719, which is a floor model unit that may be out of the preferred price range of the OP. The benchtop models, while a step up from the DP attachment, tend to have mediocre tables/holddowns and are often underpowered. They’re also pretty easy to find used at a hefty discount. One can also occasionally find old iron industrial gems, the absolute opposite of “benchtop”.

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Jacksdad

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#15 posted 03-28-2018 12:30 AM

I have a Jet mortise machine, I the little that I use it it works great, don’t waste your money on a drill press attachment. You can use a router and jig if you don’t mind round tenons and mortises, there also is a Leigh FIT jig . I like my way with the mortise machine and a tenon jig for rhe table saw.

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