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03-06-2018 12:14 AM

So I’m not the best when in comes to finishing, so I got just a quick question.

I’m making a dog kennel for my Neighboor, all I have to do to finish is build the top and doors. Then ill be ready to stain. I used 2×4’s and 2×6’s from Big Red. Could I use 1 coat of shellac first. Before the stain to avoid Bloch?

-- Thank You Trevor OBrion


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#1 posted 03-06-2018 12:47 AM

Use a pre stain conditioner….not shellac! Looks like a very nice job you did there….

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#2 posted 03-06-2018 01:57 AM

Looks like you might have some potential for chewing on those stiles. It might be best to stick with a water based product. I make a glue size with a very diluted liquid hide glue, but the most available option for you would be white glue and water. I haven’t used it, but a LJ did a very thorough blotch test using 1 part Gorilla white glue and 6 parts water. The photos he posted showed a very good blotch control on cherry.

-- My grandfather always said that when one door closes, another one opens. He was a wonderful man, but a lousy cabinet maker

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#3 posted 03-06-2018 02:13 AM

Shellac first will prevent the Stain from soaking in properly. Just apply the Oil based Stain, I use Minwax, with a brush or Cloth. Work it in well. Let it dry for overnight, but make sure it is DRY before applying your Top Finish Coat.

For that I use a Water based Poly, wipe on or Brushed on. It dries QUICKLY so get it on quickly and don’t play with it.

I use 000 Steel Wool to smooth it out between coats. Three coats should be good enough in whatever Sheen you choose, Probably Semi-Gloss for this purpose,

Good Luck Trevor.

Rick

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#4 posted 03-06-2018 02:42 AM

Practice on scrap first please.

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#5 posted 03-06-2018 03:53 AM

I like water based products some of the reasons are that they dry quicker than most oil-based products and secondly I have a problem with oil base fumes, not all staining has to be done with stains or stains that are penetrating there are gel stains that basically set on the surface that are less lightly to blotch but may depending on how much it’s rubbed into a surface it may also take more coats, these are usally oil base products, another alternative are dyes I like a dye/stain from general finishes that’s a water base product,this product does not rely on penetrating either but will blotch but can be used over shellac if you do a light sanding. Another way is to use a conditioner as someone has suggested but most are oil-based products and if your brushing or rubbing the top surface too much and it’s oil based you can rub through it and still get blotching, a water-based conditioner made by Charles Neil can have either a water base or oil base applied over it with less chance of like material (water) rub through Charles blotch control if applied according to instructions. Whatever path you take make sure the surface has been sanded and cleaned properly before applying a conditioner or stain and use test scapes to test how it looks on the wood your useing it on your project. Good luck

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#6 posted 03-06-2018 04:38 AM


a water-based conditioner made by Charles Neil

- a1Jim

One part white glue with six parts water performed just as well according to tests by one of our members, at a fraction of the price. I’m not sure why you’d want to spend $40 plus shipping when about $5 worth of white glue will do the trick.

It is a dog kennel after all. At least you’d know what was in it. Who knows what toxic stuff might be in the other.

-- My grandfather always said that when one door closes, another one opens. He was a wonderful man, but a lousy cabinet maker

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#7 posted 03-06-2018 04:43 AM

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#8 posted 03-06-2018 04:58 AM

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#9 posted 03-06-2018 05:06 AM

It’s a dog kennel…lol. Dogs chew on things. What’s in that blotch control? Anything toxic? Regardless of whether it outperforms a white glue/water mix (which a LJ member showed it didn’t) is it safe for situations where a dog might chew on that frame?

-- My grandfather always said that when one door closes, another one opens. He was a wonderful man, but a lousy cabinet maker

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#10 posted 03-06-2018 05:07 AM

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#11 posted 03-06-2018 05:12 AM

Again. This isn’t a cherry high boy. It’s a dog kennel, and I’d avoid using any product that doesn’t list the ingredients on the label. Dogs do chew, and it would be a shame to poison one because you used a product with toxic ingredients.

Has the CN blotch control been tested by the FDA for safety?

-- My grandfather always said that when one door closes, another one opens. He was a wonderful man, but a lousy cabinet maker

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#12 posted 03-06-2018 05:13 AM

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#13 posted 03-06-2018 05:18 AM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfqEV562nOU

- a1Jim

LOL, I hope you’re getting paid for this. But again, what are the ingredients? Is it toxic?

You don’t want to kill a dog, do you?

-- My grandfather always said that when one door closes, another one opens. He was a wonderful man, but a lousy cabinet maker

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#14 posted 03-06-2018 05:23 AM

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#15 posted 03-06-2018 05:27 AM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kKWfLK6RXU&t=41s

- a1Jim

LMAO. I’m not sure why you chose to hijack this thread for financial gain, but unless the ingredients in that product are listed on the label, there’s no way I’d risk having my pet exposed to it.

-- My grandfather always said that when one door closes, another one opens. He was a wonderful man, but a lousy cabinet maker

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