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Joel Tille

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03-15-2008 10:14 PM

These five pages are from my sons high school beginner woodworking class. Just thought maybe someone with 3D software could throw this together. And any woodworking teachers are welcome to give your remarks. Reading the instructions, what questions would you have trying to build this.

Cover Page:

2nd Page:

3rd Page:

4th Page:

5th Page:

Look forward to any comments you may have.

-- Joel Tille

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#1 posted 03-15-2008 11:46 PM

What did that say?

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dennis mitchell

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#2 posted 03-15-2008 11:49 PM

Boggles the mind…it would take a younger mind that mine. I have seen plywood trim and face frames before but I sure wish they would not teach that in schools.

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#3 posted 03-15-2008 11:57 PM

In fear of losing my man card. I avoid instructions, maps and of course asking directions. But these count as none of the above. It would take more time to read them than it would to build. It was written as if, to and from two people in the same shop. Not for outside use. A bit open ended if I were to be the builder. Also a text book? For reference? Not complete without it.

-- To those who fight for it, life has a flavor the protected never know. Unknown, on an empty C-ration box. Khe Sahn 1968

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Joel Tille

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#4 posted 03-16-2008 12:22 AM

1.) Notice Drawer front is 18-1/2” wide, face frame Stiles are 1-1/2”wd and Rail is 15”lg for a total carcass width of 18”.

2.) Drawer sides are 11”lg according to cut list, Drawer drawing shows sides total being 11-1/2”, with the rabbet cuts shown; drawer back add no length to sides and front adds 1/4” to length. Should be 11-1/4”

3.) Drawer ends are 16-1/2” according to cutlist, drawer drawing showers drawer end dimension of 17-3/4”; even if drawer side were attached to the ends of the ends it would only total 17-1/2”

4.) With dimensions of drawer in mind, face frame rail is 15”. drawer must fit throught his opening. then drawer must be 11-1/2” wide in 15” opening; but the drawer is 17-3/4” deep in a 13” deep carcass.

5.) Overall drawing does not reflect a face frame on the cabinet, dimension is for side plywood only.

I have a few more but you can start to see why I question if my son could have even built this, let alone as a beginner.

-- Joel Tille

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#5 posted 03-16-2008 12:22 AM

aww shucks uncle jed its easy , you just take that there cover page and scrap the rest ! lol
all id say joel is at least your son has a shop class , i dont think many do anymore from what i hear .

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Tim Pursell

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#6 posted 03-16-2008 12:47 AM

The plan looks like something from the ‘60s. You would think over that period of time some teacher would have corrected the errors. Or better yet used any copies of the plan to start the fire in the pot bellied stove they use to get rid of last years frustration. A sad comentary on the state of our schools.


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#7 posted 03-16-2008 12:53 AM

I am glad I don’t have to build from that.

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#8 posted 03-16-2008 02:11 AM

Looking at the the bottom there are some math errors. If you wrap an 18” wide bottom with 3/4” wide trim you get 19 1/2” unless I am doing it wrong.

As for the sides. The are listed at 21 3/4” in the cutlist with 20 1/4” viewable in the drawing. That is an 1 1/2” difference or 3/4” depth of cut for the dado or “blind rabbet” That is all the way through. It seems like they should be only 3/8 in. or just biscuit it.

Same for the back.

-- -John "Do I have to keep typing a smiley? Just assume it's a joke."

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#9 posted 03-16-2008 02:16 AM

I”m sure projects like this aren’t helping keep students interested which might continue to help get these programs out of the schools…

- thankfully we have relative dimensioning!

-- I am always doing what I cannot do yet, in order to learn how to do it. - Van Gogh -- --

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#10 posted 03-16-2008 05:14 AM

Sad, sad sad..

-- I've been blessed with a father who liked to tinker in wood, and a wife who lets me tinker in wood. Appomattox Virginia [email protected]

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#11 posted 03-16-2008 05:43 AM

Your kidding! a high school shop teacher is handing something like this out. “SAD”. I taught Industrial arts and never would have given my students something like this. Is your boy wanting to build this? If he is, I will send you drawings, bill of materials and procedures. Let me know.

-- Mc Bridge Cabinets, Iowa

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#12 posted 03-16-2008 09:26 AM

WOW!, I started to put it together in Sketchup… forget it. “mrtrim” is right on the money. Teach the concepts of rabbits, dados, face frames, and everything else, but ignore any instructions or measurements, LOL.

shop project


-- Tom, Central New York

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Joel Tille

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#13 posted 03-16-2008 03:14 PM

Thanks for the comments everyone.

ww_kayak thanks for the sketchup. I also tried to draw this in autocad light, not much 3d capabilites. I could not figure out exactly how to assemble all the pieces. I was hopeing someone would do what you had done with newer software with the 3d capabilities. Did you find when trying to assemble all the parts that there was gaps in the construction?

nd2elk – his carcass is built, now he is just going to put a door on it. He did not have the doors done before he brought it home. After he had the drawer box finished is when he discovered it would not fit into the frame.

When he did bring his project home partially built, where the glue had come out of the joints it was a blue/black color stained into the wood. I have never seen glue do this before, does anyone have any ideas what would cause this discoloration. Last year a friend of my son brought his shop project over to our shop to finish and we noticed the same discoloration. It took him along time to clean this up. Is it the type of glue the school is using?

-- Joel Tille

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#14 posted 03-16-2008 04:12 PM

It sounds like they used the old steel bar clamps or pipe camps. Those react with glue.

-- -John "Do I have to keep typing a smiley? Just assume it's a joke."

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Joel Tille

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#15 posted 03-16-2008 04:48 PM

gizmodyne – the glue was all up and down the case inside and outside. Some of the places are where no clamps could have touched the glue.

Photo of inside:

Photo of face frame attached to case, He has sanded as much as possible to try and remove the stain he has also started to sand through the veneer on the plywood:

-- Joel Tille

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