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09-01-2015 09:34 AM

Topic tags/keywords: stanley bailey 4 12 id identify help type 19 plane hand plane

Good day sirs! Newbie to woodworking here. I’ve recently found myself in need of a hand plane and looking at what’s available in the local home depots here in the Philippines I was short listed to these two:

1. Stanley Bailey #3 for P2,429 or roughly 52 US dollars

2. Stanley non-adjustable block plane for P1,479 or 31.69 US dollars

Did research on them and all infos in the web pointed me towards buying an old Stanley, or a Veritas / Lie-Nielsen. The Veritas and Lie-Nielsen choice is out of the question (for now) due to cost. I saw a lot of second hand Stanleys on EBay within budget but the shipping costs much more than the unit. Furthermore there’s this apprehension regarding shipping something valuable here (lots of stuff disappear thru Customs).

However I saw a local “ebay” site here with an ad for a second hand Stanley Bailey marked Made in England. It was priced at P1,000 (approximately 21-22 US dollars). Bought it with the idea of making a project restoring it and using it as my first plane.

I would like to ask you guys here if you can give me any info about this plane. The seller had no idea about it just that it came from the UK and wasn’t used all that much and stored away. He needed the extra cash that’s why he sold it.

I researched around and I’m guessing what I have is a type 19 based on the Y-shaped bottom casting. However I’m not sure. All info on the web only discusses Stanleys up to type 20. No info on what the planes after Type 20 looked liked so for all I know I may have a plane that was made just 5 years ago which resembles a type 19 (What did the Stanley planes after type 20 looked liked?) Any help is much appreciated.

Thanks and Cheers from the Philippines!
(Hope these pics help)

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#1 posted 09-01-2015 01:11 PM

There are various You Tube videos on restoring a plane.
Chris Schwarz has a good one.

Looks like you’ve got a useable plane there a long as the blade isn’t too pitted.
You’re much better off with this one than a new one.

The basics start with:
1. Check sole for flatness, especially in area of mouth. A few strokes on 80 grit paper on a very flat surface will tell you where you’re at. Progress through 120, 180, 220, 300, 400 grit or higher if you want polish. You can put lines across sole with marker to help you. Don’t need perfection but area from toe to mouth, sides, and back should be planar.
2. I usually remove any japanning from the machined surfaces of the frog and the plane where the frog slides.
3. Flatten back of blade, sharpen and hone. If the blade is too pitted, you may have to grind the bevel back until you have good steel.
4. General clean up, oil screws, tighten handles.

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#2 posted 09-02-2015 12:35 AM

-- - Collecting is an investment in the past, and the future.

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#3 posted 09-02-2015 09:55 AM

Thanks for the restoration tips guys.
Just want to know if what i have is really a type 19 or not. Any comments?

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#4 posted 09-02-2015 09:52 PM

It’s definitely a Type 19. Should make a good user if the sole is reasonably flat (or can be made so).

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#5 posted 09-02-2015 11:15 PM

Thanks for the input jonah. Sole is quite flat on checking with a square. Guess its time to get more sand paper to start things off.

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#6 posted 09-03-2015 12:35 AM

Looks like a good find. I’ve never seen the iron marked with the grinding angle on it before.

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#7 posted 09-03-2015 01:43 AM

I have a couple of Record chip breakers with the 25 degree angle outline on them. It makes more sense to me to have the mark on the chip breaker. One could hold the free-hand honed blade up to the chip breaker to see how close your efforts were to your goal. Of course if you had two or more blades at the same time at your sharpening station then it wouldn’t matter.
I am not a type study expert but it looks like a T19 to me also. But remember all of the qualifiers about type studies (eg: #4’s, made in USA, spare parts being used up etc.). The letter orientation on the lateral adjuster is one clue. Also are the knob and tote rosewood? I always consider that a good sign regardless of type number.
Certainly that plane is worthy of being cleaned up and tuned and it should be a fine user. Nice find.

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#8 posted 09-07-2015 02:59 PM

Thanks Don and Upchuck! My wife was quite impressed with my find. Currently restoring the plane will try to post pics once done.
Found out that the white pasty material being sold as headlight cleaners work well polishing the brass parts.

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#9 posted 09-07-2015 03:47 PM

Made in England by Stanley, they moved their production for hand tools to England sometime in the early 1980’s or the late 70’s, if I remember correctly. Today that plane with a plastic knob and tote sells for around 65.00, and just about every plane has to be tweaked to flatten the sole and get it back up to speed. Isn’t the plane guru Mike Dunbar? Put his name in you tube and he’ll more than likely be there. Stanley is now with Black and Decker. Have fun, make some dust.

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