That sounds like a plan. I'm wondering if that same method would work for a homemade table saw insert. One of the most difficult things I have found to do is get a table saw insert flush with the top of the table saw. And when I do, if I remove it, and later use it again, it seems it is on longer flush and I have to go through the process again. Same thing with the boughten inserts. Yes I clean the accumulated sawdust out of the hole.
Zero clearance throat plate for band saw.
Hey! Many of us have made or purchased zero-clearance throat plates for table saws and even miter saws. I certainly have made those items for those particular tools that I own. A tight throat plate reduces tear out with miter crosscutting and also keeps large items from falling down into the blade housing area of a table saw when ripping off small sections.
However, I wonder how many of us have created plates of that kind for our band saws. My Ridgid unit has a plate with enough clearance to allow for bevel cuts (this is one reason why miter and table saws also have factory plates with wide openings), and so it was not unusual at all for really small pieces cut from workpieces to tumble down into the lower wheel area and have the potential to get snagged between the band and the wheel. I rarely do bevel cuts with my saw, so the wide opening of the factory plate had no advantage for me at all.
My solution was to cut a throat plate from a piece of 1/8-inch Masonite, notch it and then, after carefully marking the line I wanted to cut, use the band saw (with the factory plate installed) to cut a groove that would deliver really tight clearance around that blade. To do the circular cut, I used the original plate to draw a circle on the Masonite sheet and then used a scroll saw to cut it down to approximate size. (This could also be done with a band saw if it had a skinny blade, but I normally have a 1/2 incher in my unit; and I have a scroll saw.) I then used my bench-top sander to carefully work the diameter down to the exactly the right size and used the scroll saw to also cut a proper alignment notch.
Actually, with my Ridgid unit a 1/8-inch thick Masonite piece is a tad too thick, so I had to use my sander to carefully reduce the thickness around the edge area. This is tricky to do and in most cases the recess might either be a bit too deep (making the plate sit too low in the recess) or somewhat irregular (making it tend to be a bit tippy).
The solution was to mix up some two-part epoxy and coat the cut area on the underside of the new plate all the way around. Then, after the stuff hardened about 75 percent and was no longer seriously tacky (and putting some rubbed out paste wax or talcum powder into the recess on the cast-iron work table) to put it into the recess, push down just hard enough to get it absolutely flush with the cast-iron work surface, and then remove it so that it could finish hardening. The result, after the drying was completed, was a throat plate that is flush and free of space that would the cut chips to fall through.
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Two photos are attached. One shows the original Ridgid plate, and I should note that I had drilled some breather holes in it some time back to allow it to draw dust into the lower chamber more easily; a move that really was a waste of time, I think. The second shows the new plate, installed. I made several other plates and keep them on hand in case the new one gets damaged down the line.
I'll keep the original plate, of course, just in case I want to do some bevel cuts.
Howard Ferstler
However, I wonder how many of us have created plates of that kind for our band saws. My Ridgid unit has a plate with enough clearance to allow for bevel cuts (this is one reason why miter and table saws also have factory plates with wide openings), and so it was not unusual at all for really small pieces cut from workpieces to tumble down into the lower wheel area and have the potential to get snagged between the band and the wheel. I rarely do bevel cuts with my saw, so the wide opening of the factory plate had no advantage for me at all.
My solution was to cut a throat plate from a piece of 1/8-inch Masonite, notch it and then, after carefully marking the line I wanted to cut, use the band saw (with the factory plate installed) to cut a groove that would deliver really tight clearance around that blade. To do the circular cut, I used the original plate to draw a circle on the Masonite sheet and then used a scroll saw to cut it down to approximate size. (This could also be done with a band saw if it had a skinny blade, but I normally have a 1/2 incher in my unit; and I have a scroll saw.) I then used my bench-top sander to carefully work the diameter down to the exactly the right size and used the scroll saw to also cut a proper alignment notch.
Actually, with my Ridgid unit a 1/8-inch thick Masonite piece is a tad too thick, so I had to use my sander to carefully reduce the thickness around the edge area. This is tricky to do and in most cases the recess might either be a bit too deep (making the plate sit too low in the recess) or somewhat irregular (making it tend to be a bit tippy).
The solution was to mix up some two-part epoxy and coat the cut area on the underside of the new plate all the way around. Then, after the stuff hardened about 75 percent and was no longer seriously tacky (and putting some rubbed out paste wax or talcum powder into the recess on the cast-iron work table) to put it into the recess, push down just hard enough to get it absolutely flush with the cast-iron work surface, and then remove it so that it could finish hardening. The result, after the drying was completed, was a throat plate that is flush and free of space that would the cut chips to fall through.
Two photos are attached. One shows the original Ridgid plate, and I should note that I had drilled some breather holes in it some time back to allow it to draw dust into the lower chamber more easily; a move that really was a waste of time, I think. The second shows the new plate, installed. I made several other plates and keep them on hand in case the new one gets damaged down the line.
I'll keep the original plate, of course, just in case I want to do some bevel cuts.
Howard Ferstler
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PaulDoug, attached are shots of the zero-clearance insert I made for my Ridgid 4510 series jobsite saw. It is made of 3/8 inch particle board that just drops into place. To keep the back from rising due to the upward rotation of the blade it has a tab on the back (held in place by both glue and a screw), but gravity takes care of the rest of the arrangement. I made several of the things and to keep then flush with the table surface it has some thin pieces of tape stuck on the underside of the edges. I still have the stock insert for bevel cuts. Over time, working action and high-speed dust will widen the front of the slit, and after a while a new one would have to be used in place of the existing one.
The making of the thing was tricky, because to get the cut just right you are supposed to lower the blade all the way and then, as the machine runs, crank it slowly upwards as the insert is held in place with one hand. The problem is that the blade with this saw will not quite lower far enough, so the initial start with the cutting operation has to be done VERY carefully.
The circular holes are finger grabs that make it easier to lift the thing out. The one in the rear was probably not needed.
Note also the outfeed extension at the rear of the saw that I added shortly after purchasing it. This unit has a nice-sized table in front of the blade, but the outfeed depth is a bit on the short side, so I built the extension to deal with that. There is an explanation of several of the mods I did on this saw somewhere on our site.
Also shown is a Ryobi jobsite saw that I had for a while and sold to a neighbor. I made a zero-clearance insert for that one, too, but it was tricky, because the recess for the plate was shallow. I ended up using 1/8-inch Masonite that was finished smooth on both sides for maximum stiffness. The stock insert has a clip in the back and one screw up front. The replacement has no clip, but I tapped two screw fittings into the motor mount at the back and custom cut two screws to hold the rear of the insert in place. After carefully countersinking the screw holes in the new insert the thing worked very well. I did have to slightly sand the underside edges of the insert a tad to get it to sit flush with the table top. At least with this project the blade could be lowered enough for the screws to be tightened and the blade raised slowly to do the cut I wanted.
Note that neither saw has a blade guard or other safety devices, because both (including the Ryobi as now used by my neighbor) are used to cut small items and the guard and anti-kickback pawls just get in the way. Yep, it is a dangerous saw when run this way, but my neighbor likes it that way, as do I. To do bevel cuts with either saw the old inserts can be used in place of the zero-clearance jobs.
Howard Ferstler
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The making of the thing was tricky, because to get the cut just right you are supposed to lower the blade all the way and then, as the machine runs, crank it slowly upwards as the insert is held in place with one hand. The problem is that the blade with this saw will not quite lower far enough, so the initial start with the cutting operation has to be done VERY carefully.
The circular holes are finger grabs that make it easier to lift the thing out. The one in the rear was probably not needed.
Note also the outfeed extension at the rear of the saw that I added shortly after purchasing it. This unit has a nice-sized table in front of the blade, but the outfeed depth is a bit on the short side, so I built the extension to deal with that. There is an explanation of several of the mods I did on this saw somewhere on our site.
Also shown is a Ryobi jobsite saw that I had for a while and sold to a neighbor. I made a zero-clearance insert for that one, too, but it was tricky, because the recess for the plate was shallow. I ended up using 1/8-inch Masonite that was finished smooth on both sides for maximum stiffness. The stock insert has a clip in the back and one screw up front. The replacement has no clip, but I tapped two screw fittings into the motor mount at the back and custom cut two screws to hold the rear of the insert in place. After carefully countersinking the screw holes in the new insert the thing worked very well. I did have to slightly sand the underside edges of the insert a tad to get it to sit flush with the table top. At least with this project the blade could be lowered enough for the screws to be tightened and the blade raised slowly to do the cut I wanted.
Note that neither saw has a blade guard or other safety devices, because both (including the Ryobi as now used by my neighbor) are used to cut small items and the guard and anti-kickback pawls just get in the way. Yep, it is a dangerous saw when run this way, but my neighbor likes it that way, as do I. To do bevel cuts with either saw the old inserts can be used in place of the zero-clearance jobs.
Howard Ferstler
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Well Howard, I was all ready to post my complete set of photos and instructions to the site. Then I thought - "What if somebody has already done it?" Sure enough, a quick search turned up your article, so I'm just adding my own thoughts to your excellent piece.
- I am a big fan of garolite (cloth embedded in resin - like the stuff circuit boards are made of, but without the copper) and it comes made from a variety of fibers and resin - I generally use linen or cotton in phenolic. It's tough stuff, but can easily be worked with woodworking tools - especially carbide bits.
- I started by measuring the diameter of my Rigid throat plate and selected a hole saw with an I.D. a little larger. Cut out two circles. Then mounted them with an arbor on the drill press, and used a bastard file clamped in a vise to keep it at the right angle
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Cheers,
Bob
- I am a big fan of garolite (cloth embedded in resin - like the stuff circuit boards are made of, but without the copper) and it comes made from a variety of fibers and resin - I generally use linen or cotton in phenolic. It's tough stuff, but can easily be worked with woodworking tools - especially carbide bits.
- I started by measuring the diameter of my Rigid throat plate and selected a hole saw with an I.D. a little larger. Cut out two circles. Then mounted them with an arbor on the drill press, and used a bastard file clamped in a vise to keep it at the right angle
Cheers,
Bob
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Well, since this ancient thread has been dragged up from the dead…
Here are some inserts made out of wood, and some from recycled laundry detergent bottles (HDPE melted in the oven, using an old tin can as the form):
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The same insert fits both my band saw and scroll saw. All you need is any material that you can get to proper diameter, then just slice off as many inserts as you need. I have a lathe, but there are plenty of other methods as shown above. Thickness adjustments can be done with a sander, or a router if you want a lip around the edge with the middle a bit thicker. With a blank just a few inches long, you can make a bunch of 'em for free.
Cheers,
Brad
Here are some inserts made out of wood, and some from recycled laundry detergent bottles (HDPE melted in the oven, using an old tin can as the form):
The same insert fits both my band saw and scroll saw. All you need is any material that you can get to proper diameter, then just slice off as many inserts as you need. I have a lathe, but there are plenty of other methods as shown above. Thickness adjustments can be done with a sander, or a router if you want a lip around the edge with the middle a bit thicker. With a blank just a few inches long, you can make a bunch of 'em for free.
Cheers,
Brad
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I never had much luck getting a good fit for my homemade inserts. I picked up a pack of these insert blanks that fit perfectly. They should last a good long while.
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I did however make a couple of inserts for my miter saw that turned out good.
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I did however make a couple of inserts for my miter saw that turned out good.
Lee Valley also sells miter saw zero-clearance strips in a package of 5 strip ,you just have to punch the holes out for the screws, I just used one and it works very well.
Just an inexpensive alternative to building your own.
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Just an inexpensive alternative to building your own.
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That's pretty cool. I never even looked on line for those.Lee Valley also sells miter saw zero-clearance strips in a package of 5 strip ,you just have to punch the holes out for the screws, I just used one and it works very well.
Just an inexpensive alternative to building your own.
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I made one for the bevel cuts also. My Bosch came with a 2 piece insert. The ones I made are easier to swap out. I actually only need 2 of the screws to hold them in place also. A lot quicker if I change them. I ended up drilling a 1" hole at the end for the sawdust to escape.
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