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Well, after talking to Tool Zone I've eliminated the Jet table saw. I asked the sales rep I was talking to the following: I've narrowed my selection down to either the Grizzly G0690 or the Jet 708663PK with the 50" rails. Tell me why I should spend $400.00 more for the Jet. What am I buying on the Jet that is not on the Grizzly? (They had this model on ebay for $1600.00 plus $69.00 shipping. I thought that was a great price.) I don't figure $400.00 difference in price should be a determining factor when I'm buying a table saw. Anywho, the first thing the rep told me was, 'I don't have time.' The second thing he said was, 'I don't bad talk another company's product." To this I replied, 'Perhaps then I don't have the time to click the 'Buy Now' button and I'm not asking you to bad talk Grizzly, I'm just asking you to educate me on the Jet features that justify the additional $400.00.

To this he said, we provide lift gate service at no additional charge and Jet has a 5 year on site warranty repair service. The first had nothing to do with the saw and the second was a nice manufacturer feature but nothing about the saw. I listened for about 10 minutes to him wander aimlessly on the phone, never once addressing any Jet feature that might justify the extra cost.

I've reached the point where I am tired of looking at and reading reviews on the internet. In fact I can't find any reviews on the internet that I haven't already read in the first three pages of returns. At the Dallas WW show I fell in love with the Unisaw but for $3000.00 I asked them what else it did beside cut wood.

So I sent Grizzly an email asking them to tell me the difference between the G0690 and their G1023SL other than the white chassis, riving knife and where the extra 100lbs are located on the G0690. Hopefully they will be able to point out differences that account for their $400.00 price between the two models.
 

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End Grain,
I had a fairly new jet xacta saw that i won at an auction. I sold it due to the fact my plans for getting it from oklahoma to nj fell through, and it was a right tilt and I had really wanted a left tilt. I drove myself up the wall and researched saws for over a year. Ended up with a grizzly G0690. Just my opinion mind you, and a lot of woodworkers on here with more experience then me. But what i didnt like about the Jet: The wings were cast square and made a very sharp edge where it met the main table that was beveled, and the motor/dust cover didnt seem well thought out, no big deal. Grizzlys table is all beveled. I thought the fence on the jet was a little nicer. The grizzly has a riving knife though and the blade is set back on the main table a little more. This is just nit picking at this point. Bottom line very happy with the G0690 and dont regret it. Their Cust Svc. is awesome too. They called me and made sure i had lift gate svc. for like 30 bucks too. free shipping cant beat it IMO.
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Hello End Grain first I going to speak freely and I hope I don't upset you There are a lot of people here that speak good about Grizzly for me i think there tools are shit I had a six inch jointer form them quality was poor and the quality of stand was poor I have take a look at grizzly in pass when planing to buy a new tool once are twice and I was not impressed and I will not look again If money is a concern then look at craftsman saw I think that they made some good change in them and to me it would be hell a lot better than grizzly that is IMO and all of this is IMO second lets look at when you called about the jet saw you cant hold jet responsible for a bad sale man and it wouldn't be fair to your self I think that if you like jet YOU need to be doing your home work on the diffract of the saw if you going to trust a salesman even if it a good one you still need to be informed because in the end it falls on you and if 3000.00 is alot money for cabinet saw then ask your self this one how much is money going to be a factor and do you want to try to save a few dollar and get something you will not be happy with and if you say yes and no to the money thing then put up the money and buy the saw that has name that you can trust delta or sawstop I personally own delta x5 I bought it 2005 and I didn't know about sawstop are i would have bought one delta does all sawstop can but one thing stop if I put my hand in the blade that alone is why I would buy and you should yourself look at them I seen them at woodcraft for about 2800 to 3000 with all the things you listed in you post and this is all in IMO I forget powermatic they have good saw to but if I had to do over I go sawstop
 

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Woodman71 wrote"I was not impressed and I will not look again If money is a concern then look at craftsman saw" I had a Craftsman hybrid and I sold it. If I were to do it all lover again i would shy away from ANYTHING with the Crapsman name o it. I just did a review on a 10" C-man SCMS, another one if I had to do over again, and I will, I wouldnt buy. I have heard good things about Grizz. I did own a Grizz 6" jointer and it was great. I did sell it because i upgraded to an 8". No, I didnt buy another Grizzly, I bought a Crescent. If I were in the market for a good table saw I would most definately consider Grizzly.

If you do a lttle research you will find that Grizzly ranks up towards the top in all the major magazines reviews and tool tests over the past few years. I dont think Craftsman made it into the first round of testing or were even considered.

I have heard the 0690 is a good saw as well as the 1023. There are owners of both here and I hope they will chime in with first hand experiences.
good luck with your choice, its not an easy one.

FYI….I found and restored an older Delta unisaw, 2hp 3ph, and couldnt be happier. It is light years ahaed of the Craftsman and 40 years older
 

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My experience with Grizz is not stellar. I gave away the 18" band saw since it was difficult to get into alaignment and then would not stay in alignment.

The Grizz shaper was even more difficult to use. I was able to sell it for a fair price. WOW!

I purchased a Grizz shop stool. WOW, it is shakey…...No Way, Jose.

Therefore, I will vote 'Against' Grizz every time.

Just my $0.02 worth
 

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I have the Jet left tilt table saw and IMO I think the saw has plenty of power to cut anything I have thrown at it. After months of use and checking for any abnormal wear or misalignment that occures on most saws and to my suprise it was on the money. I have not bound up the saw or misused it. I am very careful (she's my baby)...that being said I would recommend the Jet.
The taper that is not milled on the wings could have been done and a small pinch point would not be there, but I cant think of anything else I dont like about it.
I have had the craftsman saw and various other Grizzly tools. I would not purchase any other Grizzleys tools.
Free tools by Grizzly is always good but to pay for them is not for me.
Just my 2 pennys worth!
 

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Well, as soon as Grizzly gets back to me on the manufacturing tolerances for arbor/arbor flange run-out and bearing play, I'm going to order the G0690. There are several reasons for this, and price is actually the last consideration. I think that is appropriate considering I'm looking at an investment that will last longer than I have days left. With the exception of this site I have yet to find what I consider a negative review. And all I will say about that review is that there was more going on that what was in the review.

Here what it comes down to: my personality. Yep that's it. I have read far too many reviews about Delta, Powermatic and Jet (those were the contenders at the beginning of this) that pretty much followed these lines: 'Great saw, lots of power, accurate, quiet, no vibration, etc' followed somewhere by 'I had one heck of a time putting it together, I had to clean up the holes with my tap, holes were out of alignment, I had to drill new holes to get it to go together, the table/wing extensions are cupped, warped, not as flat as I would like them to be, etc.' Sadly the Unisaw seemed to be the worst offender. Ladies and gentlemen, if I'm spending over $2.5K on a saw, all the holes had better line up, when a bolt goes home it needs to do so smooth like a baby's bottom, and the table and wings had better match up and be flat because if it isn't my first call will be to my bank to stop payment or dispute the payment and the second will be to the manufacturer to pick up their equipment at my home at my convenience. Part of the higher costs for these 'high quality' American benchmarks should eliminate that.

The most consistent negative remark about Grizzly was the table was not anywhere close to being in alignment with the saw. To me that is an unrealistic expectation.
 

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Eng-grain, the person you spoke with at Tool Zone was probably not familiar with the saw. A lot of the ebay dealers drop-ship and have little personal knowledge of the product. I believe you would get a better answer by calling Jet and speaking with a technician. He should be able to clarify the difference between the saws. That said, I own two grizzley tools, a 2HP dust collector and an 8' jointer. I am very satisfied with both and would buy again. pkennedy
 

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While I can't address the difference between the two saws in question, I can and do highly recommend Grizzly machines. The ones that I own, G0555 and G0555X Bandsaws, G0604X Jointer and G07947 Drill Press ALL live up to my expectations. Their customer service is second to none. When I'm ready to buy a new Table Saw it'll be a Grizzly, unless I find a super deal for another machine on CL.

Best of luck with your decision.
 

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I have 12 of grizzlys main tools some are 15 years old other than blades on the 2 planers I have had no trobble at all i have their G 1023s table saw very good service I have their 1 and 1/2 hp shaper and it works great I had 1 stwich that was bad out of the box i called the service dept. and he made sure I got the right one got it i three days best service man I ever talked to
Good Luck
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I too have been looking at the same two saws along with the Powermatic2000. In the end I went with PM (purchased yesterday). I did as much research as I could on the internet and found happy and unhappy users of all three. I know owners of the PM and no one had anything bad to say about the PM and mostly all very good. I also spent a lot of time letting the saleman at Woodcraft discuss the ins and outs of each. I knew his viewpoint was sqewed, but it provided me the basic information I needed to make a hopefully educated purchase. He was recommending the PM over the Jet and Griz, but he also personally owns and uses the PM.
My purchase decision was based on purchasing my first and LAST cabinet saw. I have not had any experience with Grizzly tools, and the price was VERY tempting, but in the end, I wasn't convinced it was near the quality of the PM or the Jet. The Jet also had a tempting price but comparing the two, the PM seemed better built, although my experiece with Jet has been good (I own a Jet bandsaw). The PM had a better fence, seemed more solid, and the built in casters were a big plus for my small shop. I purchased the saw from the local Woodcraft and another big plus was there was no freight (but lots of sales tax) and they will not only bring it to my house, but will help me get it in the basement for no cost.
Good luck on the Griz and it will be interesting in 6 months to see and compare how we both like our saws.
 

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End_grain, Grizzly has their TS's on sale right now looks like for the 1023 Series. The 1023SL I purchased in september is now 200 dollars cheaper shipped to my door. I wrote a review about the installation and packaging of it if you want to take a look. I have since used the saw almost every day and I couldn't be happier.

Review.
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/921

Everything on mine lined up perfectly and was very well made. The review goes into more detail.

I've looked at the jet, delta, craftsman, powermatic, saw stop and if money was no object I would probably get a powermatic. Craftsman would be on my bottom and like another person stated earlier, the 1023SL has been reviewed very highly with lots of wood magazines.

Like any brand, you will get bad products from time to time, but I can say that every Grizzly product i've used I have enjoyed.
 

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Well everyone, I've made a kill and it even surprised me. Just for grins I typed in Delta reconditioned and up popped Redmond Machinery. They have a discontinued Unisaw (March 09 according to the Delta rep I talked to) for a bit under 1195.00 plus 175.00 to ship for a total of 1350.00. I did my homework and called Delta first to find out if Redmond was legit and to find out about the saw. Well they were and the Delta rep informed me that as far as he could tell, this Unisaw was discontinued in March of this year with committed Delta service support for all parts until 2016. I then asked him what he thought of this Unisaw compared to the current one and he asked me if I meant the one currently on the market or the next generation that will be coming out soon. I just asked, is this a deal or not? I was surprised by his honesty. If it were me and I wanted a great saw for next to nothing I'd go with it. He couldn't think of anything Delta has done to improve the actual accuracy of the saw and then added, If it were me I would go with the older version because of the price and because this model saw lacked a lot of the newer electronics the current Unisaws have on them. He struck a note here with me as I believe the same. The fewer electronic controls the better.

So now instead of a Grizzly, a Jet or a Powermatic, there is now a 36-953 model Unisaw en-route to my home.

Thanks for all the help and comments.
 

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I just got the complete Grizzly catalog in the mail… lots to review.

I wrote a nonsensical blog about reading tool reviews. For someone such as a hobbyist or someone just starting out, the problem is that you only want to buy a tool one time. At least in my age group that is true. So, we are constantly told to buy the best you can afford… So, that is the question we are trying to answer. What is the best value to us… like End_Grain did in the end… something else pops up, surprises you, and you go in that direction… and all the homework we do served as just that-homework-not a decision. Sometimes it just comes down to chance.
 

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End_Grain-

Congratulations. I sympathise. I was doing the "which table saw" shuffle for quite a while. As I posted in another blog entry "My Day at Grizzly" I ended up with a 1023SL as I just couldn't resist the bargain price.

I've finally had a chance to spend some time actually working with the saw and I have a few comments. First, I don't expect Powermatic levels of quality from Grizzly, what I do expect is to get my money's worth. The 1023SL is certainly well worth the money I paid for it. I'm actually quite impressed with the fit and finish of the saw. The ShopFox fence is better than I expected. My issues with the saw are not large, but they do, at times, make me think it might have been better to go with the G0690. Specifically, the blade guard is way behind the times compared to the newest saws on the market (with the new Unisaw being the best of the bunch). Specifically, getting the spiltter properly aligned has proven to be a bit difficult. Grizzly supplies several washers of uniform thickness with the suggestion that a combination of some of these and the lateral adjustment of the trunion-mounted support bracket be used to get it aligned. This is all well and good, but I found it almost impossible to access the lower bolt that holds the bracket. The result is that I will need to either get an assortment of various thickness washers or grind one of the existing washers to the precise thickness to get it right. To be fair, once this is straightened out it will become a non-issue.

I am thinking of ditching the blade guard altogether and making an overhead replacement and using a set of zero-clearance inserts with different-height glued-in splitters to accomodate various blade heights.

But… It was wonderful slicing through plywood as if it was butter. The fence works well. It's a great sawing experience.
 

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I have to agree with bunkie here. I've used my 1023SL quite a bit since I bought it and it's very nice indeed. I didn't have much of a problem with the blade guard and splitter. I did however have to remove all but 1 washer for it to line up evenly with my blade. I've got a full kerf blade.

The shop fox fence is very nice and accurate. I would however like to go ahead and ditch the blade guard, which I did on my previous saw and get a riving knife, like a bork or something.

Hopefully your delta will give you long lasting enjoyment :)
 
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