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And the letter that ChuckV posted doesn't even appear to have the fine print! This is crooked business in my opinion.
Unhappy about Woodworkers Guild of America
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I received the same DVD - George is a real hard nosed loser - they hounded me for the return of the DVD which does not have to be legally returned. His premium videos are not worth the money - I stayed for too years hoping for something good and finally cancelled. Stay away from the guy. He just doesn't get it.
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Good call LakeLover.
Have you ever read any of the articles on the WWGOA web site? They don't use paragraphs over there either.
Have you ever read any of the articles on the WWGOA web site? They don't use paragraphs over there either.
Tefinn
I am deslexic and spelling and grammer were hard to master. ( still).
When doing essays or proposals. I get my wife or a friend to proof read.
So when I read something from a pro writer and it is full of typo's. Run on sentences etc. I truly doubt the ability of the writer.
Some of this digital media is dumbing people down. But you still have to make it readable.
It check out the site.
Happy Holidays
I am deslexic and spelling and grammer were hard to master. ( still).
When doing essays or proposals. I get my wife or a friend to proof read.
So when I read something from a pro writer and it is full of typo's. Run on sentences etc. I truly doubt the ability of the writer.
Some of this digital media is dumbing people down. But you still have to make it readable.
It check out the site.
Happy Holidays
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Exact same thing happened to me. I watched maybe the first three-five minutes of it, determined it was for absolute beginners, and ignored it. Three notices later, (somewhat threatening, but not really), I just kept throwing them into the shredder. I also threw away the DVD. After three, they finally gave up on that one but got another about 9 months later. Same thing all over again. Totally unsolicited, don't send them a dime.
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I apologize for the poorly constructed post. I will admit that it was a bit "stream of conscious". OK, it was a LOT "stream of conscious". 
Peace.
Peace.
Well things haven't changed much but it appears Woodcraft is also involved sharing your personal information with Woodworkers guild. Here's a recent article posted recently. Not too cool!
http://toolguyd.com/woodworkers-guild-of-america-woodcraft-dvd/
http://toolguyd.com/woodworkers-guild-of-america-woodcraft-dvd/
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Chuck41 us correct. If you didn't order it, you are not liable to pay for it. They would have no contract or information stating that you ordered the DVD.
We had a deal buying cassette tapes (long ago, huh?). We let it expire. We then started getting bills for tapes of Gangsta Rap. We told the people that we didn't order them Evidently, someone was intercepting our mail and ordering under out account. They didn't charge us for but did thank us for the past business.
We had a deal buying cassette tapes (long ago, huh?). We let it expire. We then started getting bills for tapes of Gangsta Rap. We told the people that we didn't order them Evidently, someone was intercepting our mail and ordering under out account. They didn't charge us for but did thank us for the past business.
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I really like the idea of taping the DVD to a cinderblock and sending it back, postage on them. If any company is sending you garbage and enough people are taking that level of initiative to return their junk in the most expensive way, they'll get the message pretty quick!
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Went through something similar with them though they sent me several DVD's and not just one. I finally told them to stop sending them and a they still sent more. Like you, I did not have the return envelopes for all of them. I sent back as many as I could. I can only remember watching the first video, which wasn't bad as far as woodworking videos go. From what I gather what WWGOA does is not illegal unless they demand payment with threats etc…
This is why I always use a fictitious first name, like my pet's name, or intentionally misspell my last name, making it just unique enough that I'll know exactly who it was that sold me out to other marketers. In my case, it was a woodworking trade show, a vendor put an item I wanted on backorder… and other items started arriving to Mr Ginger Wxxxxxx. Well, just maybe my cat ordered them, but not likely.
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this is how I handle most junk mail I get say I get a letter from a lending company I take the return address envelope and stuff every thing they sent me into it then I will ad till it's crammed full adds from other home centers and what ever other crap that came that day and sent it back to them as they have to pay postage due to their envelope being pre- paid it winds up costing them more due to the excess weight. just a little get even but after some time of me doing this this type of junk mail has slowed down s bunch
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I never got the DVDs and they keep sending letter wanting money. What a joke.
Here's the definitive answer:
https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/investigations/mailfraud/fraudschemes/othertypes/unsolicitedfraud.aspx
Sender beware.
https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/investigations/mailfraud/fraudschemes/othertypes/unsolicitedfraud.aspx
Sender beware.
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I got an unsolicited package in the mail of a little bottle of cleaner packaged by mentally retarded folks in a home (supposedly). If I wanted to keep it I was supposed to send them a check. There was no mention of if I didn't want to keep it. Then I got a bill a month later for it. I ignored it. Then I got MORE cleaning product and I took it back to the post office and refused it. Then I got a letter from a collections agency. I went on to the BBB site and filled out a report (this company or person had a LOT of complaints) and they had 90 days to respond. Of course they never did. In my mind filing a complaint with the BBB is a huge waste of time, they are an old dog with no teeth and no bite.
See the last paragraph of the link provided above:
If you are aware of violations of the federal law prohibiting the mailing of unordered merchandise, or if you have personally had difficulty with such items-especially if you are sent statements demanding payment for the merchandise-you should contact you local postmaster or the nearest Postal Inspector.
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