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Twisted Copper Inlay Experiments #2

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Left off last time with the epoxied boards clamped up to dry.

Another weekend arrives and I unclamp everything and pull off the top layer of masking tape.

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"Perfect Red" TransTint and blue mica colored epoxy.

Seems there was a leak in a few of my end holes!

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Tape "plugs" gave way. Message to self: don't drill all the way through next time, duh!

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Picking off the excess tape is as fun as picking off a scab, that is until you get enough sharp slivers of epoxy under your fingernails to switch to a scraper 8^)

I also gave each board a quick "bump" on the belt sander to remove any little stickers pointing up.

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Now for the secret sauce!

Before this, I would just run each strip through the drum sander w/80 grit. Very light cuts (1/128").
This works wonderfully and has no clogging or other ill effects on the sander, but there are a few problems.

1. It is very slow. With the light cuts it takes a lot of time to remove material to expose the deeper pattern I'm after

2. Lots of heat! The copper gets hot enough to be painful to touch. This heat also weakens the epoxy.

The heat combined with #1 means I have to wait a minute or so between passes so the copper can cool.

Being impatient, in my best Arnold Schwarzenegger voice. "Get to the choppar!"

Bench planer that is! 8^)

Before anyone screams out how I'll kill my self and burn down the town, I've done this before and it works quite well.

Benefits are the metal does not heat up in any significant way so the material removal is about 10x faster.

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Cuts are about 1/8 turn of the handle per pass.

My blades are nicked and well worn, but after the process I removed the blades and other than some copper coloring below the blades, absolutely no ill effect.

This photo shows the extent, the short row of striations is the finely crafted and honed planer blade. You can see a fine line of the copper dust just below. I pulled the blades afterwards and zero impact on the edge and retainer.
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The reason for bending down the ends of the twisted wire and stuffing them into the holes is to make sure no end pops up and gets grabbed by the planer blades.

My first test of using the planer did just that as I was cutting past the 1/2 way mark through the twist. I heard a small click from the planer and saw a short 1/4" section had been torn from the epoxy. Nothing was ejected from the planer and certainly was far less dramatic than planing birds eye pine with the micro knots.

Either way, go over 1/2 through the twist and the top wire is no longer one piece and will begin to fall apart.

These two photos show the blue and red boards after the first few cuts.

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I'm not quite down to the wood surface yet.

You can see, especially on the blue, that the bottom wire has progressed further than the top.

Even though I was fairly careful in my attempts to get the twists-per-inch the same on each wire, the top ended up with a higher TPI count and thus presented a different profile.

As the cuts progress, a different pattern emerges. The next few closeups show that change:

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Once the "dots" appear and are almost separate, that is about as far as I can go without compromising the structure.
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You can see the typical planer scalloping which cleans up when I switch to the ROS and 150 grit
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Finer grits eliminate the sander marks
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These were done with the ROS at 320.

A scrub with #4/0 wool and mineral spirits to check the finish contrast shows what it will all look like in a project
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That's it!

I wanted to see what shapes appear as I cut deeper and I saw a few good targets for further use.

The initial cuts leave a nice cross hatch, go a bit further and the centers get skinnier leaving the blobish ends.
Eventually a series of linked dots appear, then they separate and that is about the end of what can be done.

Thanks for dropping in and hopefully you can find this useful!

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Some nice patterns you came up with. I know copper is soft but it would of made me nervous putting it through the planer.
They look great Splinter.

I guess it's the orientation of the wire when epoxied in the grove the gives it its final look?
Some nice patterns you came up with. I know copper is soft but it would of made me nervous putting it through the planer.

- corelz125
Thanks Corelz, Slightly nervous the first time, but it was very quiet while cutting, no drama. Now a helical head planer would bring up even more worries with the edges of the blades potentially changing the dynamics, but as with these type of experiments, you can't learn unless you try.
love the look of it.ive seen turners here like jim jakosh use this technique in their turnings with some cool results.
They look great Splinter.

I guess it's the orientation of the wire when epoxied in the grove the gives it its final look?

- James E McIntyre
James,
Thanks!
The only control with this is the direction of the twist (slant to the right/left) and the cut depth. Offhand I can't think of any other inlay options that can be tried aside from multiple pairs in the same groove. Twisting three wires, a combo of different wire gauges, or combining two separate twists together may offer other different patters, but the chances of "free" copper pieces falling out (using the planer or DS) needs to be considered.

The pattern certainly has a start/stop depending on the rotation of the twisted wire, but crosscutting at the proper points can adjust for that, though the final length will be +/- 1/2 of a twist spacing.
Thanks Pottz, Jim's bowl was where I first saw it, but since then I've seen it on several magazine covers. Probably will be trendy for a while like river tables 8^)
Thanks Pottz, Jim s bowl was where I first saw it, but since then I ve seen it on several magazine covers. Probably will be trendy for a while like river tables 8^)

- splintergroup
hey maybe a river table with twisted wire huh ?
Thanks Pottz, Jim s bowl was where I first saw it, but since then I ve seen it on several magazine covers. Probably will be trendy for a while like river tables 8^)

- splintergroup

hey maybe a river table with twisted wire huh ?

- pottz
Now your thinking outside the box!

A river table to mimic the Rio Grande near by, bottom covered with a layer of beer cans and rusty barbed wire!
Thanks Pottz, Jim s bowl was where I first saw it, but since then I ve seen it on several magazine covers. Probably will be trendy for a while like river tables 8^)

- splintergroup

hey maybe a river table with twisted wire huh ?

- pottz

Now your thinking outside the box!

A river table to mimic the Rio Grande near by, bottom covered with a layer of beer cans and rusty barbed wire!

- splintergroup
i think it would be a big seller to red necks ?
Nice experiment, Splint! Sounds like you even learned something.
Nice experiment, Splint! Sounds like you even learned something.

- Dave Polaschek
Yeah, don't quit my day job 8^)
Some cool pattern variations. I wonder how well a router planing jig setup might work.
Interesting!

I imagine it would work just as well but with some increased flexibility. The direction of the cut over the copper could be varied depending on which way the wire could use support in the slot.
Perhaps even allow going deeper than 1/2 the thickness since the cut could direct the forces to the side to the side of the slot.

Might even be the only way to do patterns that are more complex than a straight line….
That is a really cool process. After I first saw a project with this in it with poured in epoxy, I had an idea to rout a dovetailed slot and put the wire through it so it can't rise up anywhere. I have not tried this YET, but I have used twisted wire in round pieces and turned them and holding that wire down is a real challenge when using just CA glue all around the piece and inlaying later. Any high places get cut too deep and take away from the looks of the piece.

The effect is sure different the more you take off. Thanks for sharing, Bruce….........Cheers, Jim
That is a really cool process. After I first saw a project with this in it with poured in epoxy, I had an idea to rout a dovetailed slot and put the wire through it so it can t rise up anywhere. I have not tried this YET, but I have used twisted wire in round pieces and turned them and holding that wire down is a real challenge when using just CA glue all around the piece and inlaying later. Any high places get cut too deep and take away from the looks of the piece.

The effect is sure different the more you take off. Thanks for sharing, Bruce….........Cheers, Jim

- Jim Jakosh
Thanks Jim!

Could you rough out the bowl and cut in the recess, then twist/cut a wire to fill the circle. Pour in some epoxy like I did (about half way up the groove), insert the wire, then clamp a flat caul on top to compress it flat into the groove while the epoxy hardens. this should get the wire as flat as possible if a small amount of the wire is above the groove.

You could then finish filling with your turquoise concoction and turn it flush.
Very cool technique.
Very interest Splint, I have seen a few of these things on LJ, and it sounds cool. I'll have to think about the planner, seems like it would dull the blades, but then with light passes, maybe not. More so if you continue to use the same area.

Thank you for sharing your results and process.
Your commentary about running the copper thru the planer reminds me of how I feel every time I run an inlay thru it. Just waiting to hear the crack and loud noises from the blades.

This has me thinking about incorporating copper or brass strips into some of my inlay projects, knowing that the planer can handle it as long as an end doesn't come up.
Thanks Eric.

No issues on the planer blades, I ran both pieces through the same side of the planer, against the side so all cuts used the same section of the blades.
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