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Hi Everyone,

I currently have a cheap table saw ($100 Delta TS200 w/ Stand) that is about 5 or 6 years old.

I get a lot of tear out when I use the saw. I think it is because I am still using the stock blade. The miter gauge on the saw is not good (there's a lot of slop), but I am ok with the fence.

My question is, should I buy a new blade? I am considering one of the better Freud blades (the Forrest is too expensive). I would also need to make a zero clearance insert (Not sure how difficult that would be).

Or, would a new table saw be a better option? I am thinking the Grizzly G0444 for $589 delivered, or maybe a Ridgid one for around the same price. I would need to save up to get it, but would it be worth it?

A lot of what I have read seems to be that people upgrade their saws for more power and accuracy. I am just fine with the power from my saw and although it is not the most accurate saw, I am ok with that too. What would a better saw have that this one doesn't?

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-Charles
 

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I used to have this saw and I upgraded to a used Ridgid TS3650 for about $275. In addition to more power, a bigger saw will be more stable (less tippy), less vibration, and should give you a better fence. I did a lot of work on the delta, but there really is a big difference.

If you are just worried about tearout, a zero clearance insert, and a new blade would help. Good luck.
 

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I had one of those little Delta saws … hated it. Good luck finding our making a zero-clearance insert.

To your question: A better blade will improve performance, but cannot offset any failings of the tool itself. I finally dumped mine and bought a Jet Workshop 708100, which I am very happy with. if you peruse the postings on this form, you'll find a lot of info on both the Ridgid and Grizzly offerings.
 

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Charles, stock blades are generally not very high quality. Here is a post that Knotscott posted a few days ago on selecting a saw blade that is pretty informative.

One of the things I would suggest from reading your post is that your table saw should be accurate. Generally a table saw is the heart of the workshop and, if it does not produce accurate cuts, then it is extremely difficult to produce accurate work.

A friend of mine, who is a pro, gave me some solid advice when I first started into woodworking. He advised me to spend the most money my budget will allow on a given tool. The times that I have not heeded this advice, and let price alone be the determinate for buying a tool, I have come to regret it later.

Whether to get a new saw or not is really dependent on the type of woodworking that you do. If indeed as you say accuracy is not an issue then the saw should serve your style of woodworking well. A new blade should markedly improve the tear out. But, if you are into furniture and cabinetry, then a better saw (and blade) would be worth saving up for, in my opinion.
 

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Whether or not you decide to get a new tablesaw, I would still look into a new blade. I have seen a few people upgrade their tools and then try to offset the increased cost by using cheaper cutters. Despite the saw, a good thin kerf blade will improve the quality of the cut. If you upgrade the saw, but still use stock blades, you will be disappointed and notice little improvement. One thing you might want to do is purchase a higher quality blade first and see if you are more satisfied with the cuts. You still might be unhappy with the saw, but you would enjoy an improvement in the shop until your new saw is set up.

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"Both" is really the best answer from a performance perspective. Any saw is only as good as it's blade and setup, but you're current saw is pretty limited. I agree with you about not putting a $100 blade on that particular saw, but I do think it's worth one of the entry level Freud's like the Diablo D1040 for $30, or even a Ridgid Titanium R1050, Diablo 1050, or CMT P10050 for ~ $40….all surprisingly good budget blades.

Get that blade mounted on your current saw, then you can start planning that saw upgrade, and wait for the right deal…eitherway, that $30 or $40 blade is going to come in handy on whichever saw you end up with.

A "better" saw will be much more pleasant to use overall and will be safer. A full size saw will have every mechanical advantage you can think of over the TS200. It'll have more space to work with, especially in front the blade, quieter smoother motor, much more stability, it'll hold alignment better, have better accuracy, better longevity, better resale value, easier blade and fence adjustments….everything but better portability.
 

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It all depends on what you do, what you want to do, what your goals are. If you are cutting an occasional 2 X 4 and don't have a need for accuracy, then get a better blade and don't worry about it. If your goal is to do more wood working, make some great projects and to develop into a wood worker, then I'd invest in a better saw. Of course, it must be affordable… I look at tools and wood working as therapy…
 

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The bottom line is the best quality most expensive table saw is only as good as the blade installed. You will improve your saw's performance 100% using a quality blade. Freud is good quality and a good start. Besides you can always keep the blade to use when the time comes to upgrade your saw. Good luck.
 

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Wow, thanks for all the advice!

I just bought a grizzly jointer, so it will be a while before I can afford another big purchase.

I think the advice of buying the blade first is good. I didn't think about it, but I would have to buy a blade either way.

In the past, I've use my table saw for cutting sheet goods, but since I've gotten a good circular saw (the Dewalt 18v cordless one), I much prefer the circular saw.

But now that I bought a jointer, I want to use the table saw to square up my stock.

knotscott: I did not think about the safety factor or the quieter motor. I live in a residential neighborhood and my table saw is pretty loud. There is no link belt option on this saw either.

I think I will buy a good saw blade, then see if I am satisfied. If not, I will probably be looking for a new table saw… the "safety" factor should be a good one to mention when i discuss the budget with my wife!
 

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Well, if you decide on a new saw and if tomorrow is soon enough for a big purchase, it might not really need to be such a big purchase.

Ridigid Granite-top saw: $299.

http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?p=1309159#post1309159

I don't know that these are the quickest movers, but that pace will probably pick up at that price.

I can confirm that this exists at least in the DC area, and it appears that it might be national.
 

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I would definately get a new saw, but pick out your saw before you buy an expensive blade. Some good saws come with what you need for the job and if it don't, then you can always get what you need afterwards.
 

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Is the stock blade carbide? If it isn't, it's probably well past the point of giving decent cuts in even the best saw. Since you're "ok" with your saws power and accuracy, why not pick up a new blade and see if it's performance doesn't improve. Even a $40 blade from Home Depot will probably be a significant improvement.
 

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_bp: That is a great price! I was looking at the Ridgid TS3650/TS3660 model, but if this is 299, then I am getting it! From reading the slickdeals thread, it looks like people are already buying them up. I will be at my local HD tomorrow, hopefully, there will be one sitting there just for me! At that price, I can buy a good blade too!

Sawkerf: I believe the stock blade is carbide, but the writing on the blade is all worn off, so I can't verify for sure. But I have always gotten some tear out. I usually ended up sanding it down and filling it in.

Thanks guys.
 

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Charles -

Look at the blade teeth. If you see small "pads" brazed onto each tooth, it's carbide. No "pads", and it's just steel. If it's steel, toss it in the recycle bin - after 5-6 years, it's shot. If it's carbide, either replace it or have it sharpened. Either one can be done fairly inexpensively.

What materials give you tear-out? Tear-out can happen for several reasons that have nothing to do with the quality of your saw. Crosscutting thin veneered plywood, for example, can be a real PITA without a fairly high tooth count blade - and a zero clearance insert.

One last thought. If you're trying to convince Mrs. Chuck that you just gotta have a better saw, just say the word and we'll all jump in with lots of inarguable reasons why your current POS saw has gotta go - NOW! (lmao)
 

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I think the bottom line is… Yes you need a new blade. That new blade will go on whatever saw you may or may not end up getting ;)

I own a WoodWorker II and a Ridge Carbide TS2000… I bought the Ridge Carbide because I wanted something that gave flatter cuts when doing rabbets with it with the ability to give super clean cross cuts. It's rated as high as the Forest for about $25 less. As it turns out I ended up with a WWII that came with a JET tablesaw I picked up locally. In my own experience I really can't tell a difference in the cuts between them. Both give super crisp cross cuts with very little to no tear out on a 0 clearance insert
 

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Well, I bought it! I went to HD just now and found the saw for 299. The talk of the town there was some guy who came at 6:30am and bought all the dewalt clearance items.

The saw wouldn't fit in my SUV, so I had to pay extra to get it delivered. At ~450 lbs, I don't think I could have even gotten it out of the SUV anyways. It should be delivered on Thurs. Can't wait!

And thanks to _bp! I always hear of these deals, but by the time I get to them, it's expired or gone.
 
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