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Makita Plunge Saw keeps cutting into guide rail.

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My Makita plunge saw for some reason keeps cutting into the aluminum guide rail. This is the second guide rail that this has happened to and I'm getting a bit frustrated trying to figure out the cause.

I've set the saw as tight to the groove of the guide rail as possible. It does not shift sideways when moving it along the track. Can anyone help identify what the issue might be.

Could it be that the blade is out of alignment or maybe I'm putting pressure on the saw as it cuts? I've got a third guide rail coming and I really do not want to keep doing this as it's getting to be an expensive problem.
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I have a Makita Track saw and never had that problem. Can you post a picture, might help with the diagnosis.
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Sure, here's a photo of where the saw starts to cut into the track.

What's interesting is when I move the saw back and forth along the track without cutting, the blade does not make contact with the aluminum, it follows where the rubber strip would normally be cut.

So something is happening during the process of cutting that's causing the blade to move in. I want to point out that I'm not clamping the track, which perhaps is causing it to shift.

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Are you using dust extraction? If not you may be getting an excessive build-up of debris inside the blade guard that is binding the blade. It's important to use good dust extraction with plunge cut track saws that have enclosed blade guards.
Check to make sure the blade is tight on the arbor. I'm not seeing the rubber edge strip.
Are you using dust extraction? If not you may be getting an excessive build-up of debris inside the blade guard that is binding the blade. It s important to use good dust extraction with plunge cut track saws that have enclosed blade guards.

- northwoodsman
I think there are a few reasons why this might be happening.

1) I was not properly setting the tension on the track saw. There are two knobs that you turn to get it flush with the groove of the saw. I was only used the tip over adjustment to keep it on the track. This meant there was some play on the track.

2) I did not clamp track to the wood. This might not be necessary but it probably introduced some movement.

3) As you said, I was not doing any dust collection so it potentially caused issues as dust built up on the track.

All of these mistakes also caused a kickback on the saw. Probably due to some binding on the blade from the dust buildup.

I'm officially done for the day and will regroup later. It's been a frustrating day of setbacks and I let that get to me and caused a potential injury due to my impatience and attempt to rush through the work :(
Can you adjust the saw blade distance to the edge of the track? I don't see your rubber strip. I have both a Dewalt and a Festool system. I know that with my Festool that I can dial the distance in to the edge of the track so if you have more than one saw you can set them up to use the same track and the strips will be accurate. I'm wondering if your blade might be too close to your guide rail and maybe catching it. This may what is occurring in point #1 above where you have a little play in the track. I would keep using the messed up track and practicing with some scrap wood until you get everything dialed in and your are satisfied with how it works. Once its all working throw in a new blade and pull out the new track. Dust collection is one of the thing that really sets these saws apart. It's nice to have such a clean work area. Also dust under the track will cause it to slide and move.

It sounds like you may be new to track saws. We all were once. Another common issue is you may notice a curve in the middle of your cut. Your material MUST be supported along the entire length. Cutting a sheet of plywood on a couple of sawhorses doesn't work anymore. If your material sags in the middle your cut will be bowed. What many people do is buy a 1-1/2 or 2" thick of foam insulation and put it on the ground and cut their material on top of that. I don't like to get down on my knees or bend over so I made a frame out of 2×4's that sit on edge that sits on top of saw horses that is stiff that I use when ripping long sheets.
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You have gotten some good advise above. A couple of issues I see with what you have posted. No matter how loose the knobs are on the base, your saw should never move the blade close enough to cut into the rail. Also, in the picture you posted I am not seeing the black rubber splinter guard. Has it been removed or is your saw cutting that close to the aluminum? Your blade should be ~2mm/1/16" away from the aluminum guide rail. You may need to adjust this distance. This is done by loosening the four black screws attaching the black plastic 'angular guides'. Slide the saw assembly outward from the base and tighten to give you the distance you are looking for. Unfortunately, once you have done this the blade will need to be aligned. Loosen three of the four screws again and leave one snug to act as a pivot point while making adjustments. This will keep you from chasing your tail trying to get the saw aligned. Read through this post to see the setup used to measure for alignment. https://www.lumberjocks.com/topics/303839

If you have any questions, feel free to message me. I have a portion of the service manual I was able to get one of the Makita service reps to send me which I can share.

The good news is that your cut tracks can still be used after replacing the splinter strips. I recommend buying the 118" replacement strip and cut it up for the shorter tracks. This tends to be more cost effective than buying the shorter replacements.

Good Luck,

George
Can you adjust the saw blade distance to the edge of the track? I don t see your rubber strip. I have both a Dewalt and a Festool system. I know that with my Festool that I can dial the distance in to the edge of the track so if you have more than one saw you can set them up to use the same track and the strips will be accurate. I m wondering if your blade might be too close to your guide rail and maybe catching it. This may what is occurring in point #1 above where you have a little play in the track. I would keep using the messed up track and practicing with some scrap wood until you get everything dialed in and your are satisfied with how it works. Once its all working throw in a new blade and pull out the new track. Dust collection is one of the thing that really sets these saws apart. It s nice to have such a clean work area. Also dust under the track will cause it to slide and move.

It sounds like you may be new to track saws. We all were once. Another common issue is you may notice a curve in the middle of your cut. Your material MUST be supported along the entire length. Cutting a sheet of plywood on a couple of sawhorses doesn t work anymore. If your material sags in the middle your cut will be bowed. What many people do is buy a 1-1/2 or 2" thick of foam insulation and put it on the ground and cut their material on top of that. I don t like to get down on my knees or bend over so I made a frame out of 2×4 s that sit on edge that sits on top of saw horses that is stiff that I use when ripping long sheets.

- northwoodsman
Yeah there's no rubber strip because the blade cut right into the track itself. I think it's because I didn't tighten those two knobs to get the saw tight with the track, which introduced some lateral movement. That along with some pressure pushing the saw toward the track probably is what did this.

In regards to the foam support, I am using some foam boards underneath the piece to support it. However I noticed that my workbench as a little bow so its not completely flat, it's not a lot but it's there.

That's why I was cutting it on the floor, but then I got that pretty bad kickback. I think that's unrelated to this issue however, it could be because I started plunging before the blade hit full speed and didn't push forward.
George, thank you for the advice. Yes as you mentioned there's no splinter guard because the blade moved right into the rail!

After some time to think about it, I think it was a combination of those two knobs not being used which introduced lateral movement on the track and me most likely pushing it into the track (i.e. not putting even pressure while pushing the saw forward)

I did another test cut with it tighter to the track and it made a clean cut. An expensive lesson but one learned I suppose.

However I have no explanation for the terrible kickback I received. If you have any advice on how to operate this saw safely I would greatly appreciate it.
The saw shifted in the middle of the cut and bound the blade - instant kickback.
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The fact that you are able to push the saw into the track where the blade will touch makes me believe the saw needs to be adjusted as I mention. If you look at the bottom of the saw there are hard stops along the guide rib preventing further motion toward the track. If the knobs are loose as you mention it will let the saw drift away from the track, not toward it. Having the knobs loose will let the saw shift and is likely causing the kickback as Mark said.

With both knobs loose set the saw on the track and slowly tighten until the saw is holding to the guide rib with no side to side movement. I verify this by pushing back and forth on the edges of the bottom plate. If you hear a clicking sound that is movement of the plate on the track, tighten the knob slightly to remove slack. As I close in on this, I am turning the knob very slightly, maybe half of a notch on the knob. Start at one end of the saw. Once that end is where you want it, do the other. Once both are done check the saw by sliding on the track. You may need to go back and do it again if the saw is too tight on the track.

Once you have the saw fitting correctly on the track, plunge the saw, without power, and verify the distance of the blade from the aluminum track. You may need to do this on the edge of your bench or possibly turn the saw over and place the track on top of it to get a good view. As previously mentioned, I would like to have the blade at least 1/16" away from the aluminum.

If you are plunging the saw into the cut, you always run a risk of kick back. Ideally, you want to have the saw plunged prior to entering the material being cut. Once you get comfortable with how the saw reacts, then you can start using it for plunge cuts when necessary. It is very important that the blade be up to speed and that you have a secure grip on the saw with both hands prior to plunging the blade. In some cases it is beneficial to have a stop clamped to the track behind the plate when plunge cutting. Festool makes a device for this but I am not sure it will fit on the Makita track without modifications due to the anti-tip lip on the Makita track. If you have access to a 3d printer, there are some available on Thingiverse.
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Here are some I found on ebay which look to be 3d printed for the Makita track.
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Again, feel free to message for additional help. The Makita track saw is a fantastic tool which I find to be very helpful on most projects and has changed the way I approach many cutting tasks. Hopefully we can get yours working correctly and increase your comfort level operating the tool.

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