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Add one more thing because I'm assuming you do not sharpen you own saws, if you do forgive me. When you stone the tooth line make one pass on each side do a test cut. If the saw saws true and the set is to your liking, stop. If the saw favors one side stone that side one more time or if the set is still too much stone both sides and test cut. repeat as necessary.
 

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If you happen to have access to a machinist vice, you can use it to press the set out. Here's a video on youtube of Mike Wenzlof doing it. Put one or two sheets of paper on each side. The teeth will cut into the paper and the vice will stop closing at the paper. The thickness of the paper will basically be your set on each side.


Stoning will work too, just thins the teeth a little. Probably won't really make a difference to you.
 

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If you want to try a very inexpensive saw with little set I would suggest a Zona saw? Its like $11. I read about it from Paul Sellers. I switched the blade around to make it into a push saw. Its a really nice little saw. The handle is marginal and someday I may have someone turn me a nice handle.
 

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I'm debating on whether to convert one of my crosscut back saws to a rip saw for joinery or just break down and buy a dovetail saw. Then if I buy one, I have to decide between Western or pull saw. In general I like Western saws better, guess I'm a pushy guy (haha). But so many people are very happy with dozukis for dovetails, even people who normally use western saws.
 

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I find the dozukis are for fine small DTs but for larger ones in something like pine the western push saws work better and faster. I have the Vertias from LV but would really like to try a brass splined just to see the difference.
 

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I find the dozukis are for fine small DTs but for larger ones in something like pine the western push saws work better and faster. I have the Vertias from LV but would really like to try a brass splined just to see the difference.

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In use there isn't any. The LV saws are as good as any, when you buy a boutique saw you are mostly buying bling. Having said that I like bling and have a full set of Bad Axe, several LN and Gramercy saws. The biggest difference with a saw like a Bad Axe with a folded back is you can take it apart and repair if needed. The molded back of the LV and milled backs like on the LN you can not and that basically makes that kind of saw a throw away if repairs other than sharpening are needed.

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BTW, even with tool porn saws in my saw till I will use the LV saws almost as often as the others. For folks starting a saw collection to use for woodworking buy a full set of the LV's first. With the LV you can do anything needed to make furniture and they will do it as well as any other saw. Then if you would like a little eye candy for your till go for what ever saw blows your skirt. One set to work with, one set to look at, it's win win.
 

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BTW, even with tool porn saws in my saw till I will use the LV saws almost as often as the others. For folks starting a saw collection to use for woodworking buy a full set of the LV s first. With the LV you can do anything needed to make furniture and they will do it as well as any other saw. Then if you would like a little eye candy for your till go for what ever saw blows your skirt. One set to work with, one set to look at, it s win win.

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That is what I did, bought all the L.V. Vertias saws and really have no complaints! Do have my eye on a Gramercy from L.V. How much of a difference between 15 and 18 tpi? Also have a small problem when it comes to Chisels, hand planes and WOOD! ( Scotch is another weakness lately )
 

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I've got a Veritas dovetail saw and a couple of their carcass saws and they fly through everything I've ever tried with them. I love them, that being said I really really really want a Bad Axe saw or two. I can't decide if I'd rather look at one of those or Kate Upton in a bikini. I live pretty close to La Crosse and I'm sure I'd be sleeping on the couch for a month if I ever went up there because I'd have to buy one or five of them. (cue the Homer Simpson drooling noise)
 

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The Bad Axe saw has an advantage over the Veritas because of it's folded back-it car be easily re-tensioned because of the folded back.

I have a Bad Axe tenon saw, and I noticed that the saw plate was a little "floppy" in the cut. I probably tweaked it when sawing. If that was a veritas it would be toast, with a folded back you can tap the back down a tiny bit and correct the problem (instructions on Mark's site: http://www.badaxetoolworks.com/retension-a-backsaw.php).

That said, the Veritas saws are a bargain. I just prefer the more traditional look.
 
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