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Hand cut box joint

Since I am not able to be in the power tooled shop, I'm twiddling away in my spare bedroom doing hand tool stuff. Having never hand cut a joint, and after trying a dovetail, without really knowing what I was doing - I decided to back track a bit and do a simple box joint instead. I say simple, but its not as easy as it looks. First you have to be able to saw straight which, I've found out, is not an easy task in and of itself.

Anyway, since we learn by our mistakes, and since I know I will make many more, I thought I'd share my first hand cut box joint. I'm glad we are on the internet so I can't hear the laughing and/or groans. Of course, it would be ok to hear the-- "hey that looks like my first one." But can't have it both ways.

I digress. Here is the joint and the crown saw I used.

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Now having seen these, let my put in a caveat-I did not have a square board, so some of the gaps is from that. I need to make a shooting board so I can square up the ends. But by eyeball, this board was pretty close so I just used it. So there's my defense and I'm sticking to it!
 

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Hand cut box joint

Since I am not able to be in the power tooled shop, I'm twiddling away in my spare bedroom doing hand tool stuff. Having never hand cut a joint, and after trying a dovetail, without really knowing what I was doing - I decided to back track a bit and do a simple box joint instead. I say simple, but its not as easy as it looks. First you have to be able to saw straight which, I've found out, is not an easy task in and of itself.

Anyway, since we learn by our mistakes, and since I know I will make many more, I thought I'd share my first hand cut box joint. I'm glad we are on the internet so I can't hear the laughing and/or groans. Of course, it would be ok to hear the-- "hey that looks like my first one." But can't have it both ways.

I digress. Here is the joint and the crown saw I used.

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Now having seen these, let my put in a caveat-I did not have a square board, so some of the gaps is from that. I need to make a shooting board so I can square up the ends. But by eyeball, this board was pretty close so I just used it. So there's my defense and I'm sticking to it!
That's not bad for your first attempt. You will get better everytime you do it.
 

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Hand cut box joint

Since I am not able to be in the power tooled shop, I'm twiddling away in my spare bedroom doing hand tool stuff. Having never hand cut a joint, and after trying a dovetail, without really knowing what I was doing - I decided to back track a bit and do a simple box joint instead. I say simple, but its not as easy as it looks. First you have to be able to saw straight which, I've found out, is not an easy task in and of itself.

Anyway, since we learn by our mistakes, and since I know I will make many more, I thought I'd share my first hand cut box joint. I'm glad we are on the internet so I can't hear the laughing and/or groans. Of course, it would be ok to hear the-- "hey that looks like my first one." But can't have it both ways.

I digress. Here is the joint and the crown saw I used.

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Now having seen these, let my put in a caveat-I did not have a square board, so some of the gaps is from that. I need to make a shooting board so I can square up the ends. But by eyeball, this board was pretty close so I just used it. So there's my defense and I'm sticking to it!
That's actually quite good. I just read last night that box joints are almost exclusively machined, since they're so hard to do by hand. So I, having no machines, have decided that I will have no box joints in my work!
 

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Hand cut box joint

Since I am not able to be in the power tooled shop, I'm twiddling away in my spare bedroom doing hand tool stuff. Having never hand cut a joint, and after trying a dovetail, without really knowing what I was doing - I decided to back track a bit and do a simple box joint instead. I say simple, but its not as easy as it looks. First you have to be able to saw straight which, I've found out, is not an easy task in and of itself.

Anyway, since we learn by our mistakes, and since I know I will make many more, I thought I'd share my first hand cut box joint. I'm glad we are on the internet so I can't hear the laughing and/or groans. Of course, it would be ok to hear the-- "hey that looks like my first one." But can't have it both ways.

I digress. Here is the joint and the crown saw I used.

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Now having seen these, let my put in a caveat-I did not have a square board, so some of the gaps is from that. I need to make a shooting board so I can square up the ends. But by eyeball, this board was pretty close so I just used it. So there's my defense and I'm sticking to it!
Not bad. I found that using a knife to make my layout marks (as opposed to a pencil) greatly improved my accuracy on fitting joints. Keeping the corners on my chisel square and sharp also helped me get the waste out of the corners so I got a tighter fit in the bottom of the slot, altho you can "cheat" a little by rounding the inside edge of the pin and just leave the exposed end square. Yours sure looks better than my first attempt!! That appears to be white oak, which is not the easiest wood to hand joint either, because of the open grain.

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Hand cut box joint

Since I am not able to be in the power tooled shop, I'm twiddling away in my spare bedroom doing hand tool stuff. Having never hand cut a joint, and after trying a dovetail, without really knowing what I was doing - I decided to back track a bit and do a simple box joint instead. I say simple, but its not as easy as it looks. First you have to be able to saw straight which, I've found out, is not an easy task in and of itself.

Anyway, since we learn by our mistakes, and since I know I will make many more, I thought I'd share my first hand cut box joint. I'm glad we are on the internet so I can't hear the laughing and/or groans. Of course, it would be ok to hear the-- "hey that looks like my first one." But can't have it both ways.

I digress. Here is the joint and the crown saw I used.

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Now having seen these, let my put in a caveat-I did not have a square board, so some of the gaps is from that. I need to make a shooting board so I can square up the ends. But by eyeball, this board was pretty close so I just used it. So there's my defense and I'm sticking to it!
Thanks guys.

Gofor--I just got a marking knife. I'm going to try using that the next set. The wood is red oak left over from a cabinet I built several years ago.

The sharp chisel part I have trouble with still. But my sharpening skills are getting better.
 

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Hand cut box joint

Since I am not able to be in the power tooled shop, I'm twiddling away in my spare bedroom doing hand tool stuff. Having never hand cut a joint, and after trying a dovetail, without really knowing what I was doing - I decided to back track a bit and do a simple box joint instead. I say simple, but its not as easy as it looks. First you have to be able to saw straight which, I've found out, is not an easy task in and of itself.

Anyway, since we learn by our mistakes, and since I know I will make many more, I thought I'd share my first hand cut box joint. I'm glad we are on the internet so I can't hear the laughing and/or groans. Of course, it would be ok to hear the-- "hey that looks like my first one." But can't have it both ways.

I digress. Here is the joint and the crown saw I used.

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Now having seen these, let my put in a caveat-I did not have a square board, so some of the gaps is from that. I need to make a shooting board so I can square up the ends. But by eyeball, this board was pretty close so I just used it. So there's my defense and I'm sticking to it!
That looks like a pretty nice joint. You're more brave than I am for trying that by hand.
I'm curious if you cut each board separately or just offset the second one and cut them both at the same time.
Either way, very interesting project.
 

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Hand cut box joint

Since I am not able to be in the power tooled shop, I'm twiddling away in my spare bedroom doing hand tool stuff. Having never hand cut a joint, and after trying a dovetail, without really knowing what I was doing - I decided to back track a bit and do a simple box joint instead. I say simple, but its not as easy as it looks. First you have to be able to saw straight which, I've found out, is not an easy task in and of itself.

Anyway, since we learn by our mistakes, and since I know I will make many more, I thought I'd share my first hand cut box joint. I'm glad we are on the internet so I can't hear the laughing and/or groans. Of course, it would be ok to hear the-- "hey that looks like my first one." But can't have it both ways.

I digress. Here is the joint and the crown saw I used.

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Now having seen these, let my put in a caveat-I did not have a square board, so some of the gaps is from that. I need to make a shooting board so I can square up the ends. But by eyeball, this board was pretty close so I just used it. So there's my defense and I'm sticking to it!
Betsy,

This joint looks fine to me. I agree with Gary, in that, here practice does make perfect. Keep working at it. You will get better both on the joints and physically as well.

Thanks for sharing this (You are far more courageous than I am. I still haven't repaired my camera so that is the excuse I will use for not posting my hand cut dovetails, which would be a primer more in how not to cut them.)
 

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Hand cut box joint

Since I am not able to be in the power tooled shop, I'm twiddling away in my spare bedroom doing hand tool stuff. Having never hand cut a joint, and after trying a dovetail, without really knowing what I was doing - I decided to back track a bit and do a simple box joint instead. I say simple, but its not as easy as it looks. First you have to be able to saw straight which, I've found out, is not an easy task in and of itself.

Anyway, since we learn by our mistakes, and since I know I will make many more, I thought I'd share my first hand cut box joint. I'm glad we are on the internet so I can't hear the laughing and/or groans. Of course, it would be ok to hear the-- "hey that looks like my first one." But can't have it both ways.

I digress. Here is the joint and the crown saw I used.

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Now having seen these, let my put in a caveat-I did not have a square board, so some of the gaps is from that. I need to make a shooting board so I can square up the ends. But by eyeball, this board was pretty close so I just used it. So there's my defense and I'm sticking to it!
Kyle - I cut one board at a time. I'm going to try to do the staggering with two boards today and see what happens.
 

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Hand cut box joint

Since I am not able to be in the power tooled shop, I'm twiddling away in my spare bedroom doing hand tool stuff. Having never hand cut a joint, and after trying a dovetail, without really knowing what I was doing - I decided to back track a bit and do a simple box joint instead. I say simple, but its not as easy as it looks. First you have to be able to saw straight which, I've found out, is not an easy task in and of itself.

Anyway, since we learn by our mistakes, and since I know I will make many more, I thought I'd share my first hand cut box joint. I'm glad we are on the internet so I can't hear the laughing and/or groans. Of course, it would be ok to hear the-- "hey that looks like my first one." But can't have it both ways.

I digress. Here is the joint and the crown saw I used.

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Now having seen these, let my put in a caveat-I did not have a square board, so some of the gaps is from that. I need to make a shooting board so I can square up the ends. But by eyeball, this board was pretty close so I just used it. So there's my defense and I'm sticking to it!
Betsy, You're a brave soul. Not for posting this, but for jumping into hand-cut joinery. I am too timed to try.

I might be wrong, but I think if you stagger them and cut both at the same time you will get gaps equal to the kerf of the saw.
 

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Hand cut box joint

Since I am not able to be in the power tooled shop, I'm twiddling away in my spare bedroom doing hand tool stuff. Having never hand cut a joint, and after trying a dovetail, without really knowing what I was doing - I decided to back track a bit and do a simple box joint instead. I say simple, but its not as easy as it looks. First you have to be able to saw straight which, I've found out, is not an easy task in and of itself.

Anyway, since we learn by our mistakes, and since I know I will make many more, I thought I'd share my first hand cut box joint. I'm glad we are on the internet so I can't hear the laughing and/or groans. Of course, it would be ok to hear the-- "hey that looks like my first one." But can't have it both ways.

I digress. Here is the joint and the crown saw I used.

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Now having seen these, let my put in a caveat-I did not have a square board, so some of the gaps is from that. I need to make a shooting board so I can square up the ends. But by eyeball, this board was pretty close so I just used it. So there's my defense and I'm sticking to it!
I think they look great for a first effort. My first attempt of a hand cut joint was much worse. I like the idea of using a marking knife, too. That's gotta help. (providing I can actually cut along that line. Hand tools aren't without their frustrations, but it's really a great feeling to make something that way. -SST
 

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Hand cut box joint

Since I am not able to be in the power tooled shop, I'm twiddling away in my spare bedroom doing hand tool stuff. Having never hand cut a joint, and after trying a dovetail, without really knowing what I was doing - I decided to back track a bit and do a simple box joint instead. I say simple, but its not as easy as it looks. First you have to be able to saw straight which, I've found out, is not an easy task in and of itself.

Anyway, since we learn by our mistakes, and since I know I will make many more, I thought I'd share my first hand cut box joint. I'm glad we are on the internet so I can't hear the laughing and/or groans. Of course, it would be ok to hear the-- "hey that looks like my first one." But can't have it both ways.

I digress. Here is the joint and the crown saw I used.

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Now having seen these, let my put in a caveat-I did not have a square board, so some of the gaps is from that. I need to make a shooting board so I can square up the ends. But by eyeball, this board was pretty close so I just used it. So there's my defense and I'm sticking to it!
You are right Blake!!!

thanks S - right now I'm not frustrated yet. But I'm sure I'll get there if I don't get good results soon. I get impatient - but that's part of using hand tools - you have to be willing to put in the time to get good at it. I'm going to keep trying though!
 

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2nd stab at hand cut box joint - a touch better

I tried the box joint again. I must say I did better this time. Blake was right - hand cutting you can't really stack two boards together (staggered) without gaps from the saw kerf. So these are cut one board at a time. I still don't have square boards so that is part of the gap issue. Tomorrow I might venture out to the shop to do a few quick cuts to get some square stock.

Anyway, I thought I did ok on these - I could spend some time doing a little paring and I think the joint would be almost acceptable.

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You can see on this shot that I'm also playing with hand cut dados. This one is a definite "not good." But I'm working on it.

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If nothing else, I'm passing time and learning how to cut straight!
 

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2nd stab at hand cut box joint - a touch better

I tried the box joint again. I must say I did better this time. Blake was right - hand cutting you can't really stack two boards together (staggered) without gaps from the saw kerf. So these are cut one board at a time. I still don't have square boards so that is part of the gap issue. Tomorrow I might venture out to the shop to do a few quick cuts to get some square stock.

Anyway, I thought I did ok on these - I could spend some time doing a little paring and I think the joint would be almost acceptable.

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You can see on this shot that I'm also playing with hand cut dados. This one is a definite "not good." But I'm working on it.

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If nothing else, I'm passing time and learning how to cut straight!
Looks like you need to cut them a little deeper when you clean them up and they would look great.

Just takes time and practice.
 

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2nd stab at hand cut box joint - a touch better

I tried the box joint again. I must say I did better this time. Blake was right - hand cutting you can't really stack two boards together (staggered) without gaps from the saw kerf. So these are cut one board at a time. I still don't have square boards so that is part of the gap issue. Tomorrow I might venture out to the shop to do a few quick cuts to get some square stock.

Anyway, I thought I did ok on these - I could spend some time doing a little paring and I think the joint would be almost acceptable.

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You can see on this shot that I'm also playing with hand cut dados. This one is a definite "not good." But I'm working on it.

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If nothing else, I'm passing time and learning how to cut straight!
Betsy,

A definite improvement from your first one. Practice is paying dividends I see. Keep at it.
 

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2nd stab at hand cut box joint - a touch better

I tried the box joint again. I must say I did better this time. Blake was right - hand cutting you can't really stack two boards together (staggered) without gaps from the saw kerf. So these are cut one board at a time. I still don't have square boards so that is part of the gap issue. Tomorrow I might venture out to the shop to do a few quick cuts to get some square stock.

Anyway, I thought I did ok on these - I could spend some time doing a little paring and I think the joint would be almost acceptable.

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You can see on this shot that I'm also playing with hand cut dados. This one is a definite "not good." But I'm working on it.

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If nothing else, I'm passing time and learning how to cut straight!
Like Gary said, take a little out of the bottom and you got a good looking joint. mike
 

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My first dovetails - warning - kind of ugly

Well it's taken several attempts but here is my first set of dovetails. I realize that it's only two tails and one pin-- but a girl has to start somewhere.

The first pic is after the cutting. Not so good.

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This second photo is after a little paring. Actually a little to much. But hey it fits. Sorta, kind of….

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Frank Klaus has nothing to worry about with me. But I'll catch him yet. Just wait and see. :)
 

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My first dovetails - warning - kind of ugly

Well it's taken several attempts but here is my first set of dovetails. I realize that it's only two tails and one pin-- but a girl has to start somewhere.

The first pic is after the cutting. Not so good.

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This second photo is after a little paring. Actually a little to much. But hey it fits. Sorta, kind of….

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Frank Klaus has nothing to worry about with me. But I'll catch him yet. Just wait and see. :)
I've never hand cut a dovetail but might just give it a try one of these days. I think you did fine for a first attempt and you definitely learned a few things now about hand cutting dovetails.
 

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My first dovetails - warning - kind of ugly

Well it's taken several attempts but here is my first set of dovetails. I realize that it's only two tails and one pin-- but a girl has to start somewhere.

The first pic is after the cutting. Not so good.

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This second photo is after a little paring. Actually a little to much. But hey it fits. Sorta, kind of….

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Frank Klaus has nothing to worry about with me. But I'll catch him yet. Just wait and see. :)
You've gotten further than me… I have not yet tried hand cutting dovetails.
 

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My first dovetails - warning - kind of ugly

Well it's taken several attempts but here is my first set of dovetails. I realize that it's only two tails and one pin-- but a girl has to start somewhere.

The first pic is after the cutting. Not so good.

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This second photo is after a little paring. Actually a little to much. But hey it fits. Sorta, kind of….

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Frank Klaus has nothing to worry about with me. But I'll catch him yet. Just wait and see. :)
Paul and Chris - you should give it a try. It's one of those things that when you finally are on the right path is pretty neat. And it's not a bad way to spend an afternoon twiddling in the shop.
 

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My first dovetails - warning - kind of ugly

Well it's taken several attempts but here is my first set of dovetails. I realize that it's only two tails and one pin-- but a girl has to start somewhere.

The first pic is after the cutting. Not so good.

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This second photo is after a little paring. Actually a little to much. But hey it fits. Sorta, kind of….

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Frank Klaus has nothing to worry about with me. But I'll catch him yet. Just wait and see. :)
Betsy,

I am glad to see that you are making progress. I have been working on these off and on (but mostly off) for the past two or three weeks (time flies when we are having fun) and I can honestly say yours are much better than mine. Maybe Gary was right when he said that with practice your technique will improve. It seems to be working for you.

Maybe I will go in and try another set tonight after finishing these posts.
 
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