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Lets talk tools that every NOVICE shop should have

As I rebuild my workshop - and focus on organizing my life into more realistic bite sizes - I am just about done with Phase 1 of my workshop renovation, and will be ready to build tool holders for my french cleat organization system. When I find myself staring at my blank canvas of a workshop, I have to ask myself: so what kind of tools should I keep on here?

I should back up a little and restate that every tool currently own, I purchased for a specific project around the house. What I would like to do, is purge some of what I have that I've only used once (or more than once but that I used in a manner that it wasn't designed for; I'm looking at you, paint scraper) and build a workbench that I can 1) spend some time at, building small things and learning the skill without making a trip to a large, orange store, and 2) that I can keep organized.

So what do I want to build?

I'd like to start with some simple things and it would be great if they were things I could build with my kids. I'm thinking birdhouses, boxes, maybe something that I can practice box joints with, perhaps over the winter an adirondack chair for the patio. Nothing too intricate, I just want to be able to make nice, straight/accurate cuts, and use less screws or brads. That would be nice.

So far, my main tool collection includes:

1) Table saw,
2) Compact router,
3) Cordless drill,
4) Cordless impact driver,
5) Corded Palm Sander,
6) Corded jig saw,
7) Drill press, and
8) An assortment of hand tools: hammer, chisels, wooden mallet, rubber, mallet, a small wrench set, etc.

Number 8 is really the issue here: what do I keep, what do I throw out, and what do I need?

I see a lot of shops have hand planers and carving tools. Can I use my other tools for the former, and would I even need the latter for the types of projects I plan on starting with? Am I actually good to go? Because if that's the case, I could honestly throw out a LOT of the random tools I have or at least put them in some type of storage bin that I'll never really look at.

I guess the simple question to ask is: what do I need so I can do everything I want, in the small space that I have, while staying organized?
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So now what do I build???

So one thing is certain: I will always be doing workshop improvements. I will never be satisfied and I'll always want to grow it out and make it more efficient. So that's a good excuse to be down there, but it's not why I started doing this. I want to build things!

But what? I'll look through the Projects section of LumberJocks and it is amazing what all of you build. I mean, how do you look at a pile of lumber and go "hey, you know what I could make? A coffee table!". Like, how do you conceptualize that stuff?

My Options are Limited

Obviously at this point I'm limited to what I can build. With my knowledge and resources, I'm thinking my best options are:

- Boxes: I like the idea of these because they can help me with simple joinery and I've seen everything from VERY beginner looking boxes to some really, REALLY nice boxes
- Bird OR Bat Houses: this one is fun because I can do it with my kids and then we can hang them throughout the yard. But honestly, I might be limited in how many I can put out there before my English Setter starts going absolutely bonkers.
- Holders: so, for things like pens, toothbrushes, etc. I actually made a cool cigar holder from a big chunk of oak I milled from some firewood stockpile I have. These are fun because I could get a chance to make some custom cuts to fit what I want. Plus it doesn't seem like it requires a lot of material.
- Cutting Board: so, this seems like a "must make" or initiation kind of project that people make. This or a chess board. The problem is I don't have any kind of planer at the moment and that seems like an important tool for this project, no?

I Have Some Time

So I'm currently going through a pretty rigorous onboarding process with a company, so I have a few weeks time to kill at the moment. I'll decide on one or two of these and get to work so I can post some more on the Projects board. If anyone has any cool very, VERY beginner projects that they recommend, please don't hesitate to comment. I'm still picking up lumber at the big box and I'm kind of limiting myself to common pine and maybe some of the Sande ply, so keep that in mind.

Cheers!
I d suggest that you look at plans from … Woodsmith (best plans for a beginner). Find something that interests you and buy the plans…
- EarlS
I agree with EarlS - but don't just buy the plans - subscribe to the magazine and get access to their whole back catalog that include most of the plans in the original magazines - Woodsmith, discontinued ShopNotes, and several other magazines either give online access to ALL their issues for subscribers, or for the cost of a few plans (generally <$100)
So now what do I build???

So one thing is certain: I will always be doing workshop improvements. I will never be satisfied and I'll always want to grow it out and make it more efficient. So that's a good excuse to be down there, but it's not why I started doing this. I want to build things!

But what? I'll look through the Projects section of LumberJocks and it is amazing what all of you build. I mean, how do you look at a pile of lumber and go "hey, you know what I could make? A coffee table!". Like, how do you conceptualize that stuff?

My Options are Limited

Obviously at this point I'm limited to what I can build. With my knowledge and resources, I'm thinking my best options are:

- Boxes: I like the idea of these because they can help me with simple joinery and I've seen everything from VERY beginner looking boxes to some really, REALLY nice boxes
- Bird OR Bat Houses: this one is fun because I can do it with my kids and then we can hang them throughout the yard. But honestly, I might be limited in how many I can put out there before my English Setter starts going absolutely bonkers.
- Holders: so, for things like pens, toothbrushes, etc. I actually made a cool cigar holder from a big chunk of oak I milled from some firewood stockpile I have. These are fun because I could get a chance to make some custom cuts to fit what I want. Plus it doesn't seem like it requires a lot of material.
- Cutting Board: so, this seems like a "must make" or initiation kind of project that people make. This or a chess board. The problem is I don't have any kind of planer at the moment and that seems like an important tool for this project, no?

I Have Some Time

So I'm currently going through a pretty rigorous onboarding process with a company, so I have a few weeks time to kill at the moment. I'll decide on one or two of these and get to work so I can post some more on the Projects board. If anyone has any cool very, VERY beginner projects that they recommend, please don't hesitate to comment. I'm still picking up lumber at the big box and I'm kind of limiting myself to common pine and maybe some of the Sande ply, so keep that in mind.

Cheers!
You can make cutting boards without a jointer use your table saw to cut straight edges. Buy the straightest boards you can at HD or local lumber yard.

Bird houses are also a good starting project. Like you said your kids will get a hoot out of them.

Find a WW club, community college or guild that has the bigger tools. You will develop skills and may find yourself with a tool and lumber habit that is hard to break.
So now what do I build???

So one thing is certain: I will always be doing workshop improvements. I will never be satisfied and I'll always want to grow it out and make it more efficient. So that's a good excuse to be down there, but it's not why I started doing this. I want to build things!

But what? I'll look through the Projects section of LumberJocks and it is amazing what all of you build. I mean, how do you look at a pile of lumber and go "hey, you know what I could make? A coffee table!". Like, how do you conceptualize that stuff?

My Options are Limited

Obviously at this point I'm limited to what I can build. With my knowledge and resources, I'm thinking my best options are:

- Boxes: I like the idea of these because they can help me with simple joinery and I've seen everything from VERY beginner looking boxes to some really, REALLY nice boxes
- Bird OR Bat Houses: this one is fun because I can do it with my kids and then we can hang them throughout the yard. But honestly, I might be limited in how many I can put out there before my English Setter starts going absolutely bonkers.
- Holders: so, for things like pens, toothbrushes, etc. I actually made a cool cigar holder from a big chunk of oak I milled from some firewood stockpile I have. These are fun because I could get a chance to make some custom cuts to fit what I want. Plus it doesn't seem like it requires a lot of material.
- Cutting Board: so, this seems like a "must make" or initiation kind of project that people make. This or a chess board. The problem is I don't have any kind of planer at the moment and that seems like an important tool for this project, no?

I Have Some Time

So I'm currently going through a pretty rigorous onboarding process with a company, so I have a few weeks time to kill at the moment. I'll decide on one or two of these and get to work so I can post some more on the Projects board. If anyone has any cool very, VERY beginner projects that they recommend, please don't hesitate to comment. I'm still picking up lumber at the big box and I'm kind of limiting myself to common pine and maybe some of the Sande ply, so keep that in mind.

Cheers!
I d suggest that you look at plans from a reputable online wood store like Rockler, Fine Woodworking, or maybe Woodsmith (best plans for a beginner). Find something that interests you and buy the plans, read them several times, find some wood, and give it a go. Ask lots of questions here. That is how most, if not all, of us got started.

- EarlS
Thank you, I'm reviewing Rockler now but I'll take a look at some others. I also need to find a source for lumber. As I've mentioned I've been going to the big box ones, but I'm trying to get a little bit better stuff.

I have found a place two towns over that offers classes, and I've reached out to them. I can't enroll now, but in the very near future I will.
So now what do I build???

So one thing is certain: I will always be doing workshop improvements. I will never be satisfied and I'll always want to grow it out and make it more efficient. So that's a good excuse to be down there, but it's not why I started doing this. I want to build things!

But what? I'll look through the Projects section of LumberJocks and it is amazing what all of you build. I mean, how do you look at a pile of lumber and go "hey, you know what I could make? A coffee table!". Like, how do you conceptualize that stuff?

My Options are Limited

Obviously at this point I'm limited to what I can build. With my knowledge and resources, I'm thinking my best options are:

- Boxes: I like the idea of these because they can help me with simple joinery and I've seen everything from VERY beginner looking boxes to some really, REALLY nice boxes
- Bird OR Bat Houses: this one is fun because I can do it with my kids and then we can hang them throughout the yard. But honestly, I might be limited in how many I can put out there before my English Setter starts going absolutely bonkers.
- Holders: so, for things like pens, toothbrushes, etc. I actually made a cool cigar holder from a big chunk of oak I milled from some firewood stockpile I have. These are fun because I could get a chance to make some custom cuts to fit what I want. Plus it doesn't seem like it requires a lot of material.
- Cutting Board: so, this seems like a "must make" or initiation kind of project that people make. This or a chess board. The problem is I don't have any kind of planer at the moment and that seems like an important tool for this project, no?

I Have Some Time

So I'm currently going through a pretty rigorous onboarding process with a company, so I have a few weeks time to kill at the moment. I'll decide on one or two of these and get to work so I can post some more on the Projects board. If anyone has any cool very, VERY beginner projects that they recommend, please don't hesitate to comment. I'm still picking up lumber at the big box and I'm kind of limiting myself to common pine and maybe some of the Sande ply, so keep that in mind.

Cheers!
All of the above advise is sound. Here's my 2 cents. Big box stores are fine but there selection is limited. Find a real hardwood lumber yard and tell them what you are doing, they are very helpful especially if you are a newbie. Pine is good (get a copy of The Essential Pine Book, good projects in it to be made with simple tools) but to expand without refinancing the home there are inexpensive hardwoods like popular and red alder.

Check out your local used book store. I've found lots of used books on woodworking in them.

As you grow and add tools like jointer and planer, you will find that the wood in the hardwood lumber yard is more useful as it tends to be a bit thicker so you an mill out some of the warps and twists. Example: 4/4 (1" ) in a big box is surfaced to 3/4 inch were as in a lumber yard it will be around 15/16 inch that you can mill to what you need.

First and foremost, relax and have fun.
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So now what do I build???

So one thing is certain: I will always be doing workshop improvements. I will never be satisfied and I'll always want to grow it out and make it more efficient. So that's a good excuse to be down there, but it's not why I started doing this. I want to build things!

But what? I'll look through the Projects section of LumberJocks and it is amazing what all of you build. I mean, how do you look at a pile of lumber and go "hey, you know what I could make? A coffee table!". Like, how do you conceptualize that stuff?

My Options are Limited

Obviously at this point I'm limited to what I can build. With my knowledge and resources, I'm thinking my best options are:

- Boxes: I like the idea of these because they can help me with simple joinery and I've seen everything from VERY beginner looking boxes to some really, REALLY nice boxes
- Bird OR Bat Houses: this one is fun because I can do it with my kids and then we can hang them throughout the yard. But honestly, I might be limited in how many I can put out there before my English Setter starts going absolutely bonkers.
- Holders: so, for things like pens, toothbrushes, etc. I actually made a cool cigar holder from a big chunk of oak I milled from some firewood stockpile I have. These are fun because I could get a chance to make some custom cuts to fit what I want. Plus it doesn't seem like it requires a lot of material.
- Cutting Board: so, this seems like a "must make" or initiation kind of project that people make. This or a chess board. The problem is I don't have any kind of planer at the moment and that seems like an important tool for this project, no?

I Have Some Time

So I'm currently going through a pretty rigorous onboarding process with a company, so I have a few weeks time to kill at the moment. I'll decide on one or two of these and get to work so I can post some more on the Projects board. If anyone has any cool very, VERY beginner projects that they recommend, please don't hesitate to comment. I'm still picking up lumber at the big box and I'm kind of limiting myself to common pine and maybe some of the Sande ply, so keep that in mind.

Cheers!
regarding plans….sometimes i think i have more fun figuring out how to build something rather than actually building it haha. I like the process of figuring out scale, dimensions, materials. Thought i wanted to be a drafter at one point but ended up becoming a land surveyor.
Down the rabbet hole of joinery

So, this is less about what I am trying to do or what I've learned how to do, and just more about the amazement a (very) novice "woodworker" is experiencing when viewing others work.

Simple Joinery

So, I love joinery. I always have loved the look of it and the concept that a structure is essentially supporting itself with increase surface area made to fit, I mean, can you get any more efficient AND effective?! I've even built a box joint jig that works pretty well. It's for 5/8" box joints which I think is a little bit big, but I still think my reasoning is sound: the "planks" on pallets - which are a great source of free wood for someone who encounters a copious amount of errors - are about 5/8" thick, so it makes a nice square box joint.

I haven't done anything for dovetail joints, but that's next on my list. They're like an advanced box joints: same amount of cuts, just a little angling of the ol' table saw blade. I still consider dovetail joints to be "simple" but as with anything they're less simple if you're trying to master them.

I just learned of the term "rabbet", I've always just called it a "ledge". And I don't even know if it counts as a "joint" because it doesn't seem to be "joining" anything on its own (is that necessary for a "joint"?). I like these because they are a part of my (planned) box building. They allow for a smoother look and that's what I'm going for.

Crazy Joinery

Honestly, how did anyone even come up with some of these?!!


Is this the beautiful result of what humans can do when we're not all staring at screens? What are the principles that are used to build these? Is it as simple as ensuring symmetry exists for the cuts to fit together? Then maybe if they don't hold, add a provision for a dowel? Whatever it is, when I look at some of the joinery that is out there, it's just…amazing and intimidating to see what real woodworkers and craftsmen are able to do. And its a testament to what can be done when engineering and design come together, something that a lot of today's manufacturers seem to struggle with.

Oh, and "now software" (http://https://hackaday.com/2020/10/23/complex-wood-joints-thanks-to-new-softwares-interactive-features/) is going to make even crazier joinery? Is that even fun?

Some day I hope I'm able to make something more than a dovetail joint, but for now I'm happy with focusing on doing that really well. Hopefully I'll be able to shift focus from shop improvements to actual projects that allow me to show off the journey of learning joinery to everyone here.

Cheers!
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Down the rabbet hole of joinery

So, this is less about what I am trying to do or what I've learned how to do, and just more about the amazement a (very) novice "woodworker" is experiencing when viewing others work.

Simple Joinery

So, I love joinery. I always have loved the look of it and the concept that a structure is essentially supporting itself with increase surface area made to fit, I mean, can you get any more efficient AND effective?! I've even built a box joint jig that works pretty well. It's for 5/8" box joints which I think is a little bit big, but I still think my reasoning is sound: the "planks" on pallets - which are a great source of free wood for someone who encounters a copious amount of errors - are about 5/8" thick, so it makes a nice square box joint.

I haven't done anything for dovetail joints, but that's next on my list. They're like an advanced box joints: same amount of cuts, just a little angling of the ol' table saw blade. I still consider dovetail joints to be "simple" but as with anything they're less simple if you're trying to master them.

I just learned of the term "rabbet", I've always just called it a "ledge". And I don't even know if it counts as a "joint" because it doesn't seem to be "joining" anything on its own (is that necessary for a "joint"?). I like these because they are a part of my (planned) box building. They allow for a smoother look and that's what I'm going for.

Crazy Joinery

Honestly, how did anyone even come up with some of these?!!


Is this the beautiful result of what humans can do when we're not all staring at screens? What are the principles that are used to build these? Is it as simple as ensuring symmetry exists for the cuts to fit together? Then maybe if they don't hold, add a provision for a dowel? Whatever it is, when I look at some of the joinery that is out there, it's just…amazing and intimidating to see what real woodworkers and craftsmen are able to do. And its a testament to what can be done when engineering and design come together, something that a lot of today's manufacturers seem to struggle with.

Oh, and "now software" (http://https://hackaday.com/2020/10/23/complex-wood-joints-thanks-to-new-softwares-interactive-features/) is going to make even crazier joinery? Is that even fun?

Some day I hope I'm able to make something more than a dovetail joint, but for now I'm happy with focusing on doing that really well. Hopefully I'll be able to shift focus from shop improvements to actual projects that allow me to show off the journey of learning joinery to everyone here.

Cheers!
Some of the more complicated ones were indeed based on the scarcity and price of mechanical connectors. Many of these came from Japan and are centuries old, sometimes many centuries, during a period when Japan had limited access to metal ores.

One very good website to watch how these are done is https://www.youtube.com/c/DorianBracht/videos. He just demonstrates, he doesn't explain.

Another is
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Another is https://www.youtube.com/c/DylanIwakuni/videos.

Those should keep you occupied for a few months. Enjoy.
Down the rabbet hole of joinery

So, this is less about what I am trying to do or what I've learned how to do, and just more about the amazement a (very) novice "woodworker" is experiencing when viewing others work.

Simple Joinery

So, I love joinery. I always have loved the look of it and the concept that a structure is essentially supporting itself with increase surface area made to fit, I mean, can you get any more efficient AND effective?! I've even built a box joint jig that works pretty well. It's for 5/8" box joints which I think is a little bit big, but I still think my reasoning is sound: the "planks" on pallets - which are a great source of free wood for someone who encounters a copious amount of errors - are about 5/8" thick, so it makes a nice square box joint.

I haven't done anything for dovetail joints, but that's next on my list. They're like an advanced box joints: same amount of cuts, just a little angling of the ol' table saw blade. I still consider dovetail joints to be "simple" but as with anything they're less simple if you're trying to master them.

I just learned of the term "rabbet", I've always just called it a "ledge". And I don't even know if it counts as a "joint" because it doesn't seem to be "joining" anything on its own (is that necessary for a "joint"?). I like these because they are a part of my (planned) box building. They allow for a smoother look and that's what I'm going for.

Crazy Joinery

Honestly, how did anyone even come up with some of these?!!


Is this the beautiful result of what humans can do when we're not all staring at screens? What are the principles that are used to build these? Is it as simple as ensuring symmetry exists for the cuts to fit together? Then maybe if they don't hold, add a provision for a dowel? Whatever it is, when I look at some of the joinery that is out there, it's just…amazing and intimidating to see what real woodworkers and craftsmen are able to do. And its a testament to what can be done when engineering and design come together, something that a lot of today's manufacturers seem to struggle with.

Oh, and "now software" (http://https://hackaday.com/2020/10/23/complex-wood-joints-thanks-to-new-softwares-interactive-features/) is going to make even crazier joinery? Is that even fun?

Some day I hope I'm able to make something more than a dovetail joint, but for now I'm happy with focusing on doing that really well. Hopefully I'll be able to shift focus from shop improvements to actual projects that allow me to show off the journey of learning joinery to everyone here.

Cheers!
He just demonstrates, he doesn t explain.

- HowardAppel
It may not be a how-to, but he demonstrates excellent technique. The first thing the OP should get from them is his use of a marking knife and gauges. Without proper marking techniques, the rest doesn't have a chance.

In what is a bit of a paradox, the less you use a use a ruler, the more accurate your results will be.
Down the rabbet hole of joinery

So, this is less about what I am trying to do or what I've learned how to do, and just more about the amazement a (very) novice "woodworker" is experiencing when viewing others work.

Simple Joinery

So, I love joinery. I always have loved the look of it and the concept that a structure is essentially supporting itself with increase surface area made to fit, I mean, can you get any more efficient AND effective?! I've even built a box joint jig that works pretty well. It's for 5/8" box joints which I think is a little bit big, but I still think my reasoning is sound: the "planks" on pallets - which are a great source of free wood for someone who encounters a copious amount of errors - are about 5/8" thick, so it makes a nice square box joint.

I haven't done anything for dovetail joints, but that's next on my list. They're like an advanced box joints: same amount of cuts, just a little angling of the ol' table saw blade. I still consider dovetail joints to be "simple" but as with anything they're less simple if you're trying to master them.

I just learned of the term "rabbet", I've always just called it a "ledge". And I don't even know if it counts as a "joint" because it doesn't seem to be "joining" anything on its own (is that necessary for a "joint"?). I like these because they are a part of my (planned) box building. They allow for a smoother look and that's what I'm going for.

Crazy Joinery

Honestly, how did anyone even come up with some of these?!!


Is this the beautiful result of what humans can do when we're not all staring at screens? What are the principles that are used to build these? Is it as simple as ensuring symmetry exists for the cuts to fit together? Then maybe if they don't hold, add a provision for a dowel? Whatever it is, when I look at some of the joinery that is out there, it's just…amazing and intimidating to see what real woodworkers and craftsmen are able to do. And its a testament to what can be done when engineering and design come together, something that a lot of today's manufacturers seem to struggle with.

Oh, and "now software" (http://https://hackaday.com/2020/10/23/complex-wood-joints-thanks-to-new-softwares-interactive-features/) is going to make even crazier joinery? Is that even fun?

Some day I hope I'm able to make something more than a dovetail joint, but for now I'm happy with focusing on doing that really well. Hopefully I'll be able to shift focus from shop improvements to actual projects that allow me to show off the journey of learning joinery to everyone here.

Cheers!
The first thing the OP should get from them is his use of a marking knife and gauges. Without proper marking techniques, the rest doesn t have a chance.

In what is a bit of a paradox, the less you use a use a ruler, the more accurate your results will be.

- Rich
^^^^This.

I only use a ruler when rough cutting boards or maybe a symmetrical layout. After that it is all relative to that other pieces.
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