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The need for change

For some reason I have had a problem lately with the bags on my dust collector (DC) coming off during use.
Needless to say it made quite a mess. It seemed that I couldn't get the cloth belts that held the bags
on any tighter. My first thought was to get a canister as a retrofit, but about 10 years ago the DC I
bought was a generic brand. A Reliant. So nothing I found would fit it.

Here's my current system:



So I figured that I needed to look into a better system for attaching the bags. I e-mailed Grizzly (since I had heard on this site that they had great customer service) and gave them the specs (Diameter and Circumfrence of my DC's middle section) and asked them if their metal band they use for theirs would fit mind and if it were available separately. I got a yes on both accounts, so for $13.99 US I bought 2.

Well, it turns out they were too big. I ended up cutting them in half and pop-riviting it back together to
the correct size. It worked perfectly. It was a good temporary solution, because I still wanted a canister type
filter. I have heard that they work so much better.

So I started looking for a new DC system. I wanted a 2HP system like I already had since it worked
perfectly for my size shop. They all seemed to go for between $450 and $500 US with shipping. A little
more then I wanted to spend. Then I found exactly what I was looking for. A retfro-fit kit that included
the metal middle section with the canister so I knew for a fact theat they will fit. $258 US delivered.

This is the canister section:


I should take delivery later next week so I will post more pictures and show the installation.
 

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The need for change

For some reason I have had a problem lately with the bags on my dust collector (DC) coming off during use.
Needless to say it made quite a mess. It seemed that I couldn't get the cloth belts that held the bags
on any tighter. My first thought was to get a canister as a retrofit, but about 10 years ago the DC I
bought was a generic brand. A Reliant. So nothing I found would fit it.

Here's my current system:



So I figured that I needed to look into a better system for attaching the bags. I e-mailed Grizzly (since I had heard on this site that they had great customer service) and gave them the specs (Diameter and Circumfrence of my DC's middle section) and asked them if their metal band they use for theirs would fit mind and if it were available separately. I got a yes on both accounts, so for $13.99 US I bought 2.

Well, it turns out they were too big. I ended up cutting them in half and pop-riviting it back together to
the correct size. It worked perfectly. It was a good temporary solution, because I still wanted a canister type
filter. I have heard that they work so much better.

So I started looking for a new DC system. I wanted a 2HP system like I already had since it worked
perfectly for my size shop. They all seemed to go for between $450 and $500 US with shipping. A little
more then I wanted to spend. Then I found exactly what I was looking for. A retfro-fit kit that included
the metal middle section with the canister so I knew for a fact theat they will fit. $258 US delivered.

This is the canister section:


I should take delivery later next week so I will post more pictures and show the installation.
Steve - If you look in the lower right hand corner of that picture you will see a filter to catch all the dust
that escapes the bag. So the small room is a perfect size. Whatever air that get's sucked in has an easy way
out.

Yes, the bags did have the internal cloth covered bands. I cut the stiching and pulled them out to replace
them with the steel bands.

You don't want to wait for the bags to pop off. Quite a mess!
 

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The need for change

For some reason I have had a problem lately with the bags on my dust collector (DC) coming off during use.
Needless to say it made quite a mess. It seemed that I couldn't get the cloth belts that held the bags
on any tighter. My first thought was to get a canister as a retrofit, but about 10 years ago the DC I
bought was a generic brand. A Reliant. So nothing I found would fit it.

Here's my current system:



So I figured that I needed to look into a better system for attaching the bags. I e-mailed Grizzly (since I had heard on this site that they had great customer service) and gave them the specs (Diameter and Circumfrence of my DC's middle section) and asked them if their metal band they use for theirs would fit mind and if it were available separately. I got a yes on both accounts, so for $13.99 US I bought 2.

Well, it turns out they were too big. I ended up cutting them in half and pop-riviting it back together to
the correct size. It worked perfectly. It was a good temporary solution, because I still wanted a canister type
filter. I have heard that they work so much better.

So I started looking for a new DC system. I wanted a 2HP system like I already had since it worked
perfectly for my size shop. They all seemed to go for between $450 and $500 US with shipping. A little
more then I wanted to spend. Then I found exactly what I was looking for. A retfro-fit kit that included
the metal middle section with the canister so I knew for a fact theat they will fit. $258 US delivered.

This is the canister section:


I should take delivery later next week so I will post more pictures and show the installation.
Lakey - I think you are talking about a separartor. Here is an updated picture of my current system.
The trachcan collects all the larger pieces and some od the larger chips. All the fine stuff ends up in the lower
bag. The top bag acts as a filter. That is the part I am replacing.

You may also be thinking of a cyclone DC which has a can to collect the dust.



Maple - Sounds like your bag is getting plugged up. That is one of the problems I am having in addition to the
bag popping off. You would have probably had the same thing happen if you didn't shut it off.
With the canister you can, as Jeff suggests, rotate the paddles via the handles on top to knock off the dust
in the canister filter into the bottom bag.
 

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The need for change

For some reason I have had a problem lately with the bags on my dust collector (DC) coming off during use.
Needless to say it made quite a mess. It seemed that I couldn't get the cloth belts that held the bags
on any tighter. My first thought was to get a canister as a retrofit, but about 10 years ago the DC I
bought was a generic brand. A Reliant. So nothing I found would fit it.

Here's my current system:



So I figured that I needed to look into a better system for attaching the bags. I e-mailed Grizzly (since I had heard on this site that they had great customer service) and gave them the specs (Diameter and Circumfrence of my DC's middle section) and asked them if their metal band they use for theirs would fit mind and if it were available separately. I got a yes on both accounts, so for $13.99 US I bought 2.

Well, it turns out they were too big. I ended up cutting them in half and pop-riviting it back together to
the correct size. It worked perfectly. It was a good temporary solution, because I still wanted a canister type
filter. I have heard that they work so much better.

So I started looking for a new DC system. I wanted a 2HP system like I already had since it worked
perfectly for my size shop. They all seemed to go for between $450 and $500 US with shipping. A little
more then I wanted to spend. Then I found exactly what I was looking for. A retfro-fit kit that included
the metal middle section with the canister so I knew for a fact theat they will fit. $258 US delivered.

This is the canister section:


I should take delivery later next week so I will post more pictures and show the installation.
Lakey - No, just the top. I have no idea what you are talking about then. I guess if you had some sort of gasket you could use a trashcan instead of a bag.

Maple - Look at the picture of the canister above. See the handle on the top? Well, you rotate that and it will
move things (paddles) against the inside ribs of the canister to knock off the dust that is stuck to it.

It's easier than beating on the sides to knock it off.
 

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The final solution - completed.

Well, this is the second and final part of my dust collector retro-fit.

Here you can see the two boxed as I recieved them:
.

.

Here they are unpacked and stacked. I removed the Dust Dog label. I figured that it didn't do anything but restrict air flow. It came off easily
.

.

Here you can see the handle that created some confusion in the first part of this blog.
.

.

As the handle is rotated it makes these "paddles" brush against the pleats of the filter
knocking off the dust into the bottom bag.

.

.

There is a difference in the middle section. First of all it's a larger diameter, plus it doesn't have the corkscrew like the old one.
.

.

Since this is not a Jet dust collector I am retro-fitting I had to add 2 new holes on each side

.

.

Here it is completed minus the lower bag and canister mounted. Took a total of about 1/2 an hour to get to this point. The green tape is on the inside and outside to seal up the unused holes.

.

.

Here it is all completed and in place
.

.
.

There were a few other issues. The old lower bag could not be used since the diameter is larger and it doesn't have the lip (in the lower part of the middle drum) to to retain it using the strap.

It came with 5 heavy gauge plastic bags and a band that fits on the inside on the drum instead of the outside. Interesting design and kind of a pain to install the bag but I guess I'll get used to it.
I hate the idea of having to keep buying expensive plastic bags so I will work something out to eliminate that need.

My cloth bag does fit on the inside diameter so I'll figure out something.

All in all it was a simple and less expensive way to move up to a canister filter vs buying an entire new system.
 

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The final solution - completed.

Well, this is the second and final part of my dust collector retro-fit.

Here you can see the two boxed as I recieved them:
.

.

Here they are unpacked and stacked. I removed the Dust Dog label. I figured that it didn't do anything but restrict air flow. It came off easily
.

.

Here you can see the handle that created some confusion in the first part of this blog.
.

.

As the handle is rotated it makes these "paddles" brush against the pleats of the filter
knocking off the dust into the bottom bag.

.

.

There is a difference in the middle section. First of all it's a larger diameter, plus it doesn't have the corkscrew like the old one.
.

.

Since this is not a Jet dust collector I am retro-fitting I had to add 2 new holes on each side

.

.

Here it is completed minus the lower bag and canister mounted. Took a total of about 1/2 an hour to get to this point. The green tape is on the inside and outside to seal up the unused holes.

.

.

Here it is all completed and in place
.

.
.

There were a few other issues. The old lower bag could not be used since the diameter is larger and it doesn't have the lip (in the lower part of the middle drum) to to retain it using the strap.

It came with 5 heavy gauge plastic bags and a band that fits on the inside on the drum instead of the outside. Interesting design and kind of a pain to install the bag but I guess I'll get used to it.
I hate the idea of having to keep buying expensive plastic bags so I will work something out to eliminate that need.

My cloth bag does fit on the inside diameter so I'll figure out something.

All in all it was a simple and less expensive way to move up to a canister filter vs buying an entire new system.
Bob - I thought about it but don't have the space in that little room without rebuilding it. There is a window
stopping me from making it any wider.

Mark D - Yes, all you would need would be that canister. Look at the 6th picture and you'll see the drum
is from a DC-1100A.

I thought that same thing about the paddles when I first looked at it, but it's like plucking a guitar
string, the whole pleat/fold vibrates.

I definitely get more suction vs the bag and the 2 mircon is better than the 5 for the bag.
 

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The final solution - completed.

Well, this is the second and final part of my dust collector retro-fit.

Here you can see the two boxed as I recieved them:
.

.

Here they are unpacked and stacked. I removed the Dust Dog label. I figured that it didn't do anything but restrict air flow. It came off easily
.

.

Here you can see the handle that created some confusion in the first part of this blog.
.

.

As the handle is rotated it makes these "paddles" brush against the pleats of the filter
knocking off the dust into the bottom bag.

.

.

There is a difference in the middle section. First of all it's a larger diameter, plus it doesn't have the corkscrew like the old one.
.

.

Since this is not a Jet dust collector I am retro-fitting I had to add 2 new holes on each side

.

.

Here it is completed minus the lower bag and canister mounted. Took a total of about 1/2 an hour to get to this point. The green tape is on the inside and outside to seal up the unused holes.

.

.

Here it is all completed and in place
.

.
.

There were a few other issues. The old lower bag could not be used since the diameter is larger and it doesn't have the lip (in the lower part of the middle drum) to to retain it using the strap.

It came with 5 heavy gauge plastic bags and a band that fits on the inside on the drum instead of the outside. Interesting design and kind of a pain to install the bag but I guess I'll get used to it.
I hate the idea of having to keep buying expensive plastic bags so I will work something out to eliminate that need.

My cloth bag does fit on the inside diameter so I'll figure out something.

All in all it was a simple and less expensive way to move up to a canister filter vs buying an entire new system.
TomK - It still makes the same amount of noise. All I really did was to exchange a bag for a filter.

Tony - You can see in the 7th picture (on the left side) the seperator I use for the big stuff.
When I start using my planer I can fill things up pretty quick. I'll figure something out.
 

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Discussion Starter · #25 ·
The final solution - completed.

Well, this is the second and final part of my dust collector retro-fit.

Here you can see the two boxed as I recieved them:
.

.

Here they are unpacked and stacked. I removed the Dust Dog label. I figured that it didn't do anything but restrict air flow. It came off easily
.

.

Here you can see the handle that created some confusion in the first part of this blog.
.

.

As the handle is rotated it makes these "paddles" brush against the pleats of the filter
knocking off the dust into the bottom bag.

.

.

There is a difference in the middle section. First of all it's a larger diameter, plus it doesn't have the corkscrew like the old one.
.

.

Since this is not a Jet dust collector I am retro-fitting I had to add 2 new holes on each side

.

.

Here it is completed minus the lower bag and canister mounted. Took a total of about 1/2 an hour to get to this point. The green tape is on the inside and outside to seal up the unused holes.

.

.

Here it is all completed and in place
.

.
.

There were a few other issues. The old lower bag could not be used since the diameter is larger and it doesn't have the lip (in the lower part of the middle drum) to to retain it using the strap.

It came with 5 heavy gauge plastic bags and a band that fits on the inside on the drum instead of the outside. Interesting design and kind of a pain to install the bag but I guess I'll get used to it.
I hate the idea of having to keep buying expensive plastic bags so I will work something out to eliminate that need.

My cloth bag does fit on the inside diameter so I'll figure out something.

All in all it was a simple and less expensive way to move up to a canister filter vs buying an entire new system.
Karson - The canister will fit a drum a maximum of 20 3/16" and a minimum of about 19 1/2".

If your Grizzly is any bigger or smaller you will need to make an adapter. Easy enough to make out of wood.
 

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Discussion Starter · #27 ·
The final solution - completed.

Well, this is the second and final part of my dust collector retro-fit.

Here you can see the two boxed as I recieved them:
.

.

Here they are unpacked and stacked. I removed the Dust Dog label. I figured that it didn't do anything but restrict air flow. It came off easily
.

.

Here you can see the handle that created some confusion in the first part of this blog.
.

.

As the handle is rotated it makes these "paddles" brush against the pleats of the filter
knocking off the dust into the bottom bag.

.

.

There is a difference in the middle section. First of all it's a larger diameter, plus it doesn't have the corkscrew like the old one.
.

.

Since this is not a Jet dust collector I am retro-fitting I had to add 2 new holes on each side

.

.

Here it is completed minus the lower bag and canister mounted. Took a total of about 1/2 an hour to get to this point. The green tape is on the inside and outside to seal up the unused holes.

.

.

Here it is all completed and in place
.

.
.

There were a few other issues. The old lower bag could not be used since the diameter is larger and it doesn't have the lip (in the lower part of the middle drum) to to retain it using the strap.

It came with 5 heavy gauge plastic bags and a band that fits on the inside on the drum instead of the outside. Interesting design and kind of a pain to install the bag but I guess I'll get used to it.
I hate the idea of having to keep buying expensive plastic bags so I will work something out to eliminate that need.

My cloth bag does fit on the inside diameter so I'll figure out something.

All in all it was a simple and less expensive way to move up to a canister filter vs buying an entire new system.
sIKE - That's one of the reasons I have some head scratching to do.
 

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The final solution - completed.

Well, this is the second and final part of my dust collector retro-fit.

Here you can see the two boxed as I recieved them:
.

.

Here they are unpacked and stacked. I removed the Dust Dog label. I figured that it didn't do anything but restrict air flow. It came off easily
.

.

Here you can see the handle that created some confusion in the first part of this blog.
.

.

As the handle is rotated it makes these "paddles" brush against the pleats of the filter
knocking off the dust into the bottom bag.

.

.

There is a difference in the middle section. First of all it's a larger diameter, plus it doesn't have the corkscrew like the old one.
.

.

Since this is not a Jet dust collector I am retro-fitting I had to add 2 new holes on each side

.

.

Here it is completed minus the lower bag and canister mounted. Took a total of about 1/2 an hour to get to this point. The green tape is on the inside and outside to seal up the unused holes.

.

.

Here it is all completed and in place
.

.
.

There were a few other issues. The old lower bag could not be used since the diameter is larger and it doesn't have the lip (in the lower part of the middle drum) to to retain it using the strap.

It came with 5 heavy gauge plastic bags and a band that fits on the inside on the drum instead of the outside. Interesting design and kind of a pain to install the bag but I guess I'll get used to it.
I hate the idea of having to keep buying expensive plastic bags so I will work something out to eliminate that need.

My cloth bag does fit on the inside diameter so I'll figure out something.

All in all it was a simple and less expensive way to move up to a canister filter vs buying an entire new system.
It has a 2HP 220VAC motor. I use 4" PVC drain pipe mostly under the concrete slab. My farthest run
is to the tool that need it most, the planer. It's about 60 feet away. No problem with suction. I usually
close all the other blast gates except for the table saw.
 

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The final solution - completed.

Well, this is the second and final part of my dust collector retro-fit.

Here you can see the two boxed as I recieved them:
.

.

Here they are unpacked and stacked. I removed the Dust Dog label. I figured that it didn't do anything but restrict air flow. It came off easily
.

.

Here you can see the handle that created some confusion in the first part of this blog.
.

.

As the handle is rotated it makes these "paddles" brush against the pleats of the filter
knocking off the dust into the bottom bag.

.

.

There is a difference in the middle section. First of all it's a larger diameter, plus it doesn't have the corkscrew like the old one.
.

.

Since this is not a Jet dust collector I am retro-fitting I had to add 2 new holes on each side

.

.

Here it is completed minus the lower bag and canister mounted. Took a total of about 1/2 an hour to get to this point. The green tape is on the inside and outside to seal up the unused holes.

.

.

Here it is all completed and in place
.

.
.

There were a few other issues. The old lower bag could not be used since the diameter is larger and it doesn't have the lip (in the lower part of the middle drum) to to retain it using the strap.

It came with 5 heavy gauge plastic bags and a band that fits on the inside on the drum instead of the outside. Interesting design and kind of a pain to install the bag but I guess I'll get used to it.
I hate the idea of having to keep buying expensive plastic bags so I will work something out to eliminate that need.

My cloth bag does fit on the inside diameter so I'll figure out something.

All in all it was a simple and less expensive way to move up to a canister filter vs buying an entire new system.
Maple - Not really sure. If it did I'm sure that a few bangs on the side you get it to drop since the surface is
sloped. I had dust sit on the corkscrewed one also, so I expect it on this also.
 

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The final solution - completed.

Well, this is the second and final part of my dust collector retro-fit.

Here you can see the two boxed as I recieved them:
.

.

Here they are unpacked and stacked. I removed the Dust Dog label. I figured that it didn't do anything but restrict air flow. It came off easily
.

.

Here you can see the handle that created some confusion in the first part of this blog.
.

.

As the handle is rotated it makes these "paddles" brush against the pleats of the filter
knocking off the dust into the bottom bag.

.

.

There is a difference in the middle section. First of all it's a larger diameter, plus it doesn't have the corkscrew like the old one.
.

.

Since this is not a Jet dust collector I am retro-fitting I had to add 2 new holes on each side

.

.

Here it is completed minus the lower bag and canister mounted. Took a total of about 1/2 an hour to get to this point. The green tape is on the inside and outside to seal up the unused holes.

.

.

Here it is all completed and in place
.

.
.

There were a few other issues. The old lower bag could not be used since the diameter is larger and it doesn't have the lip (in the lower part of the middle drum) to to retain it using the strap.

It came with 5 heavy gauge plastic bags and a band that fits on the inside on the drum instead of the outside. Interesting design and kind of a pain to install the bag but I guess I'll get used to it.
I hate the idea of having to keep buying expensive plastic bags so I will work something out to eliminate that need.

My cloth bag does fit on the inside diameter so I'll figure out something.

All in all it was a simple and less expensive way to move up to a canister filter vs buying an entire new system.
Thanks odie, I'll look into that. I happen to live 2 miles from a Lowes.
 
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