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i had a conversation with Gary in Texas,,,and hes a good man..in fact he called me to see how i was doing..and di some other great jocks…cabinetmaster called me and Karson called me , but in talking with Gary , he told me that don k in Oklahoma has left the site….i wondered on him because he and i had pm'ed each other once in awhile..his son was serving over in the war..and i really liked don…and guys like Odie and some others i know have left..i don't know why and all the reasons, but im sorry there gone..they made my days brighter and they are good men..and there missed…..those of you closer to these guys probably know why there gone…and i think we can pretty much figure it out…cant we all watch what we say to others…..its not hard…just think before you open your mouth…...i don't know if any of these guys will ever come back…but they are missed by me ..and i know there are others who miss them as well….....im looking forward to the contest we have going…the yin and the yang…i hope i can get something in here that might be of mention,,,good luck to you all on this one…...i hope cabinetmaster is taking it easy….scootin around in his wheely chair…....and karson..im sure your anxious to get back to your baby sitting duties…you made my day when you called k
Karson…im going to call you back soon…maybe if i give you my address…some of that wood you have will work its way to Alabama…and i know ellen35 would write me more…lol…but i think she is gearing up for this man contest..i heard she was going to enter….....lol…....well ive finished my hot chocolate …does anyone have anything nice to add to this….grizzman
 

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Grizz i'm with you on people should think before they open thier mouths me included i think it is a real shame that don k and odie have left i like you used to love odie's humour and is a great loss to LJ's and i hope that he may reconcider and return to the family

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Hey Grizz buddy! The topics of our craft have many facets. That is true to our personalities too. We are all human and will act like the animals we are at times. If it weren't for different opinions we would all make the same box! Sometimes ones shame of a comment may take time to reflect their actions & come back to realize it's not that uncommon to be human. I'll never forget a long time ago two friends showed up to a party. The passenger was passed out drunk with his head hanging out the window. He woke up to see us all looking at him & while he was a real badass tough guy in the trades (girls take off now) He told some sorry a$$ story about life & then broke out in tears saying I'M NOT A BOY I'M A MAAAAANNN wah wah. We all just fell over with laughter & gave him a beer! He was due for a 4×4 but since he was in the company of cool buds we all had a good time. He came to have the nickname Matt after he passed out at the front door. People come back to friends of faith & good cheer. No I don't have a Utilikilt or a scarf. But I do have a purple set of nailbags, not sure why. LOL
 

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Hmmm.
There are 30x as many people on this site than when I joined.
I know that some of us oldsters are still here but I thought it was just too much to keep up with.
It is just not possible to look at all the projects in one day.

Lee
 

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Grizz,
People come and go in our lives all the time. I think this site is no different. Circumstances change and people move on. While we don't necessarily like it, I think it is a fact of life these days. This is a wonderful site… growing every day. Some days it is hard to keep up with all that is going on. As long as we do not take ourselves too seriously (and we know you don't!!), and we are respectful of each other (and we know you are!!), then we will continue to be the best woodworking site with a coffee lounge on the net.
And … yes… I'll write you more!! I'm a judge in the contest… I don't really feel it would be fair to be a contestant… we have plenty of wonderful women woodworkers who can enter! Besides, my wardrobe is very limited!
Ellen
Oh, and you never know when someone will return!
 

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I feel the same way Lee and Ellen feel. In fact, I'm on FB and have thought about getting off of it. Too much to keep up with and with LJ's at least I can see the fantastic work other's do here and can learn alot. There are alot of helpful nice people on this site and maybe they did leave for other reasons. I havent seen too many negative things on here myself, but then again like Lee said, way too much to keep up with. Maybe I'm just missing some of that, and I hope I continue to miss it. I don't remember those guys so I surely don't know why they're gone. You better not leave, we have way to much fun hearing from you!
 

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Being one of the new guys here I can say what brought me is a change to the forum of another place I had been a regular of for the past 7 years. Besides the change it was the constant pettiness of a few.

As to here, it is hard to keep up with the steady flow of new work postings. What I like is that active and fresh daily feel here. Like going to the Farmers Market, you don't need to go everyday. But when you go the great thing is somebody will have something out you didn't expect.

As to some of the negative banter I've seen and been part of lately, I find it mild to what I'm used to. The only dissapointment is the discussions have not been over tablesaw vs radial arm or hand tools vs power, as examples.

Everyone also needs to understand a lot of members, I have know doubt, are visiting to get away from their personnel issues. There is a lot of unemployment in the construction industry right now. I for one have not had a call for a decent work bid in over 4 months. My wife works so my boat is only half full of water. For others here it may be worse.

Any way that explains my being here and my posting this morning instead of being where I should be, out working.
 

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Hey Grizz, I agree. People should think before they get heated. Is it worth getting heated over? Is it worth ruining a thread because your view is different? It goes to show that not everyone is the same, and some vocalize their opinions more.
Ellen35, just because you are a judge doesn't make it unfair for you to enter. The men are the judges of the woman. It's not fair that the woman have men to judge, and the men don't have woman to judge. LOL. So feel free to man up and let the boys judge who makes the cake. (no pun intended)
 

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"…cant we all watch what we say to others…..its not hard…just think before you open your mouth……"

I agree completely Grizz!
Thank you for bringing this up. I have noticed several snide and unnecessary commit in my reading. I say none if it is appreciated or needed. We do not all have the same experience or skill set. Learning from others is what this site is all about for me. I get great ideas and inspiration for other Jocks. I do not have anyone near I can ask the how to questions of. All you LJ's fill that void for me. We should take every opportunity to life up, encourage, and support all those with whom we come in contact. In helping others we help ourselves.

As for Don K and Odie I hope they come back.
 

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What happened to Don and Odie? Why did they leave? I know Woodchuck left after getting into a 'verbal spat' here on LJ's.

And I agree with Lee, Ellen and Janice, that people come and people go for many reasons. The only thing that worries me is if someone feels PUSHED out the door.

We all need to remember that our words can really hurt, yet, the anonymity that the internet provides makes it easy for some to say whatever/whenever they want. It's like in the 'old days' when someone would call up their girlfriend/boyfriend to break up because they didn't want to have to face them. Sometimes the electronic messaging does not provide us with the necessary cooling down period, the 'thinking before speaking' time that we need. What we type is instantaneously posted, and we can only 'edit' for 60 minutes, but then it might be too late.

Please folks, remember that even though most of us have never met face to face, much of what we say can and often does get taken to heart.
 

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Lee's statement about about the increased numbers of members, the projects and posts are hard to keep up with due to the volume. The increased membership is because people are attracted to the LJ site because it is a place that has something for everyone; High end professional woodworking, novice acceptance with massive help and support both in craft related items and human feelings.
Tolerance is a way of life which LJ members do a pretty good job at, but you will always find people who want to vent and have a bad day which reflects in their posts. Tolerance is the key, none of us feels great all the time, some of us get to hear the answers we might not expect - that is life, accept it. Nobody should take offense at a post, even personal responses are the result of two people having a bad day and end up with apologies all round.
As older LJs we have a duty to show the younger generation of LJs skills, advice and tolerance so that they will be better equipped to be successful in life. As an LJ you have the opportunity to embrace all or part of what LJs has to offer; Showcasing work, shop aids (jigs), Tool reviews, Work questions, Notifications, Human situations, milestone progress and humor etc, etc,. Embrace those that fit your LJ wants and tolerate those that do not, other LJs may need other items that fit their membership needs.
Many of the LJs are old Friends and banter, joke and insult each other for fun, it's the way they love to work - with a smile on their face each day.
To be an LJ is an honor and is a place where you can be yourself, get work related satisfaction, keep up with other members situations and have fun at the same time.
 

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Hey Grizzman,

Thanks for bringing this up. I have been thinking about this for a while now. When I first joined nearly two years ago, there were many "regulars" who posted awesome projects, provided constructive tips, posted interesting topics (not always about woodworking), and generally made the site a respectable, safe and fun place to frequent. If you check out who is logged in many days, those people are mostly still on, they just don't post much (or at all). Why? Only those individuals know, but I for one don't post a lot of things that I would like to for the sake of not wanting to start a thread that is probably just going to get hi-jacked anyway. Let's say I ask a question like "What do you think it the best hybrid table saw for under $1,000?" Chances are there will be arguments dealing with everything from "why would you want an underpowered wanna be table saw like a hybrid", to 110v vs. 220v and which is better (and several arguments depicting the difference between the two), to "why wouldn't you be responsible and buy something safe like a Saw Stop", to "you get what you pay for, and if you are only going to spend $xx your going to get junk no matter what", to "you must be a traitor because your just going to be supporting the Chinese industry with that purchase". We all see it happen. By asking that question I gemreally already know what I want because of the funds I have available, my electricity constraints, my needs, how much I'm going to use it, etc. The answers that I would expect would be "I have the XX model and really like it because…., what I don't like about it is….., and I would or wouldn't recommend it." What I don't want is people posting harassing comments to each other or pm'ing each other with threats because they disagree how easy it is to change blades or how accurate the ruler is on the rip fence. If it doesn't specifically address the original question, provide helpful information, or offer an alternative solution to the problem - please out of consideration for everyone, don't post it!! If you really feel strongly about wanting to get your point out in front of everyone, start a new post and give those of us that aren't interested the opportunity to ignore it and move on to something we are interested in.

I have two teenagers and I am constantly having to remind them to quit saying things like "that tastes like crap" and instead saying something like "I don't care for that becuase it's too sweet, I personally prefer XX". Same goes on LJ, tell us your opinion in a few polite words and your reasoning, don't go bashing what someone else thinks. Chances are you will both learn soemthing from each other that will be helpful.
 

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It seems to be that I´m the rookie here and I wil just say I join this site not only becourse of the projets that people share and the forums abaut skills and abaut the rewiew´s
the reson I became a L J was the humor that is here were everybody joke on the other´s with a big smile in the eye´s no matter if is a comment on a project or in the coffee launge normaly no one get offended even when a rookie speak becourse he/she don´t know there place (in the corner beside the dog) :)
the old ones :) just return the anser with a big laugh or if it´s a real anser on a ? they open the brain and share the wisdom with aut talking down to the presumptuous that has the dare to speak wile the masters
had a conversion

that´s why I´m here
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Good posting from grizz but like anything else people come and go I was going to leave at one time I took a lot of crap that I did not deserved but that did not take me away from this wonderful site, from now on if I get negative posting regarding myself or my work I just disregard it's not worth fighting over it, I have learned the hard way, so if I ever leave it will be for something else than some crap that someone wants to start with me.
Thanks grizz for some great info:
 

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"if it gives me grief, I give it room. Just a click and I'm on to something more pleasant"
Can't think of a better way to put it…... life is to short to be bogged down so much negative energy.
The sharing of skills, as well as the sharing of sense of humor is what this site is all about. As Grizz and so many have pointed out, the comaradre on this site, as a family, is the best there is.
I also hope that some of the wonderful people that have seemed to have left do return.
To those that feel they must voice their opinion as a disagreement, please do so in that form only and don't get personal and try to force your opinion / judgement on others. We ALL have a right to our own opinion and sense of humor…......... Long live the coffee lounge !

LJ's is the best !
 

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GMan: IMO, I don't think anyone "really" knows if someone has left, I think it is just that when you see a long absence from someone that has been a dedicated "regular poster" on this site, you wonder….. have they left?................
 

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By and large, I don't think we have much petty bickering around here in comparison to other sites I've seen. And I really don't think that's been the reason why some of the old regulars don't post much, if any, these days.

I believe the main reason, as others have mentioned, is related more to the size of the site than anything else. As one who has been here since the "early days", I can tell you that it's a different type of experience now. With so many more posters, and so many more projects, I find I have to approach things differently.

We used to be like a club, where we all got to know each other a bit, and could comment on all our projects, coaching each other along as we went. Now I can't even view all the projects, much less comment on them all. The upside is that with more members there is more knowledge and experience to draw on.

I'm not saying the site isn't as good as it used to be… I'm just saying it's different. Change is inevitable. Some will adapt to it, and some will decide that it's no longer their cup of tea. It's nobody's fault… it's not necessarily a good thing or a bad thing…. it's just the way things are. Life on life's terms.
 

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Ive just heard from different sources…i hate to see any of the jocks leave because of things that were said…that's my point here,,,Ive known some good people who i dont see around anymore…no post's from them…and to me its a shame, because i liked them, i considered them as my friends…..so as to point back to my original post…maybe it gives us all just a moment to rethink what we say here..and be considerate of everyone's feelings.i thank everyone for there good comments…and i look forward to a great new year of woodworking and enjoying the friends ive made…and the new ones that i will make…and i really hope the year gets better when i get to use my new clamps…i can think positive…cant i…:))))>>>...i really liked the one comment…coyote ugly…but i think some of the gals said they liked a man in a dress…i wish i knew that when i was younger and in my dating years…lol
 

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oh and i wish you were here roger…i just downed two bean burrows with extra cheese…they both have your names on them…...this is the year of beans…the sauerkraut will be back later…lol…......
 
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