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I would like some critique on my design so far. This is going to be the base unit of my cabinet design for an entire wall unit. My initial design goal with this is just to get the drawer height set and comfortable with that. I have tried to add the faceframe elements, but am having trouble deciding on a method to attack that. I am probably over thinking it.



This is the initial unit layout for the Wall. Like I said above I am working on the base units for now, which will house drawers. The top units will probably have shelves, but could have more drawers…The center square is the bed

Please let me know what you think, and those who are able please feel free to comment or give me some pointers of my Sketchup model.
 

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DrawerBase Design

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I would like some critique on my design so far. This is going to be the base unit of my cabinet design for an entire wall unit. My initial design goal with this is just to get the drawer height set and comfortable with that. I have tried to add the faceframe elements, but am having trouble deciding on a method to attack that. I am probably over thinking it.



This is the initial unit layout for the Wall. Like I said above I am working on the base units for now, which will house drawers. The top units will probably have shelves, but could have more drawers…The center square is the bed

Please let me know what you think, and those who are able please feel free to comment or give me some pointers of my Sketchup model.
model looks good- one thing - it seems you have a different component for each of the drawer dividers? why not use the same component and make copies of it? (you do have copies on the left and right -but the bottom and top dividers are different components).

another personal preference of mine is in regard to the height of the bed- my workbench is ~34" and I wouldn't want to sleep that hight ;)

actually my previous bed was ~30" high , and had storage pullout shelves underneath - I never really cared much for it and replaced it with a new bed which is ~13" off the floor (top of mattress) which is much more inviting.
 

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DrawerBase Design

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I would like some critique on my design so far. This is going to be the base unit of my cabinet design for an entire wall unit. My initial design goal with this is just to get the drawer height set and comfortable with that. I have tried to add the faceframe elements, but am having trouble deciding on a method to attack that. I am probably over thinking it.



This is the initial unit layout for the Wall. Like I said above I am working on the base units for now, which will house drawers. The top units will probably have shelves, but could have more drawers…The center square is the bed

Please let me know what you think, and those who are able please feel free to comment or give me some pointers of my Sketchup model.
yea, I guesstimated the height of the bed, ours right now is kind of high its got that whole 18 inch european mattress thing going on…Once I remember to take a tape measure to bed with me(did I really just say that?) ill get the right measurement for the bed height…

Actually the drawer dividers are copies, but the rails and stiles are also separated components, it works out ok for cutlist…

thanks purplev
 

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DrawerBase Design

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I would like some critique on my design so far. This is going to be the base unit of my cabinet design for an entire wall unit. My initial design goal with this is just to get the drawer height set and comfortable with that. I have tried to add the faceframe elements, but am having trouble deciding on a method to attack that. I am probably over thinking it.



This is the initial unit layout for the Wall. Like I said above I am working on the base units for now, which will house drawers. The top units will probably have shelves, but could have more drawers…The center square is the bed

Please let me know what you think, and those who are able please feel free to comment or give me some pointers of my Sketchup model.
It is not possible to provide a full design critique for a project that is in such an early stage of development. So instead I offer the following design questions for your consideration:

Is the back panel that projects above the various parts suppose to act as a datum for the rest of the unit and if so should it also project beyond the sides? Also, why does it have a thickness beyond a 3/4" material thickness?

With bed set at the same height as the lower parts of the wall unit, how will the bedding and the base of the bed work with the rest of the design?

As currently massed the whole unit reads as twin units flanking a bed with a 'bridge' sandwiched between the twins. Is this the reading you desire? There are other massings that could be used. For example one alternate could have the 'bridge' spanning the entire distance across the unit. Another could be a 'post and beam' where the 'bridge' is extended so that it is wider than the bed and rests on a ledge in each of twin units.

Is the height between the top of the bed and the bottom of the 'bridge' enough to allow someone to sit up in bed? Does the height and the projection of the 'bridge' pose any head clearance problems when getting in and out of bed?

Is lighting to be integrated into the design?

Where does things like the alarm clock go and will you be able to see it (and hit the snooze button) without having to actually move?

Good luck as you move forward with the project.
 

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DrawerBase Design

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I would like some critique on my design so far. This is going to be the base unit of my cabinet design for an entire wall unit. My initial design goal with this is just to get the drawer height set and comfortable with that. I have tried to add the faceframe elements, but am having trouble deciding on a method to attack that. I am probably over thinking it.



This is the initial unit layout for the Wall. Like I said above I am working on the base units for now, which will house drawers. The top units will probably have shelves, but could have more drawers…The center square is the bed

Please let me know what you think, and those who are able please feel free to comment or give me some pointers of my Sketchup model.
Is the back panel that projects above the various parts suppose to act as a datum for the rest of the unit and if so should it also project beyond the sides? Also, why does it have a thickness beyond a 3/4" material thickness?

I am assuming you mean on the overall plan and not the individual cabinet plan. That is the bedroom wall.

With bed set at the same height as the lower parts of the wall unit, how will the bedding and the base of the bed work with the rest of the design?

I have to actually take a tape measure to the bed and ge the actual dimensions, I was going of the measurements for a queen mattress, and my man sense for what the height was….(you know things are bigger or longer than they really are)

Is the height between the top of the bed and the bottom of the 'bridge' enough to allow someone to sit up in bed? Does the height and the projection of the 'bridge' pose any head clearance problems when getting in and out of bed?

Again I have to do some serious measurement there. My reason for posting so early is that I really need some help or ideas for the cabinet. I am looking for feedback on how to do the face frames, if I should use face frames…how they should be setup…etc….Right now my stretchers are plywood, I was planning on using a faceframe on the cabinet, but wasnt real confident in how to start it out…thus the reason for my posting.

The massing was just to give an idea of what I was going for…

Is lighting to be integrated into the design?

Where does things like the alarm clock go and will you be able to see it (and hit the snooze button) without having to actually move?

Lighting is going to be integrated into the bridge. The alarm clock situation Ill address as the design evolves.

Thanks for the excellent critique…that is what I was really hoping for.
 

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DrawerBase Design

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I would like some critique on my design so far. This is going to be the base unit of my cabinet design for an entire wall unit. My initial design goal with this is just to get the drawer height set and comfortable with that. I have tried to add the faceframe elements, but am having trouble deciding on a method to attack that. I am probably over thinking it.



This is the initial unit layout for the Wall. Like I said above I am working on the base units for now, which will house drawers. The top units will probably have shelves, but could have more drawers…The center square is the bed

Please let me know what you think, and those who are able please feel free to comment or give me some pointers of my Sketchup model.
Here are my 2c:
1. The bed seems too high, no chance of sitting on the edge with your feet on the floor.
2. I think most night stands are a few inches below the bed surface; you would not want a glass of water tipping over onto the bed.
3. There should be an open space between the bottom unit and upper, if you opened a door with that glass of water it would be knocked over, as well as any reading material, not to mention the watch, glasses, change, and wallet.
4. If you put glass doors, like a barrister bookcase, in the upper bridge you could put the clock etc up there.
5. Seems like you have the bottoms as 2 side-by-side units, if you made the outer one full depth and full height, you would have more drawer space and possibly a pair of doors in the upper third. The winters here require sweaters, for that reason, I would mix the drawers making a few big(deep) ones for those sweaters and sweatshirts.
 

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DrawerBase Design

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I would like some critique on my design so far. This is going to be the base unit of my cabinet design for an entire wall unit. My initial design goal with this is just to get the drawer height set and comfortable with that. I have tried to add the faceframe elements, but am having trouble deciding on a method to attack that. I am probably over thinking it.



This is the initial unit layout for the Wall. Like I said above I am working on the base units for now, which will house drawers. The top units will probably have shelves, but could have more drawers…The center square is the bed

Please let me know what you think, and those who are able please feel free to comment or give me some pointers of my Sketchup model.
Dave, ooooooh, I know why you guys keep saying that…See I did make instances of a single web frame…but then for my sizing(I have adjusted the widths a few times) I used freescale which makes everything unique…I just realized that finally…

oh yea about the textures….I knew to do that too, but since I am only "really" using textures just to coordinate my parts for cutlist I dont really worry about the grain directions and such…

Thanks all for the advice and criticisms…ill get that tape measure to the bedroom yet….
 

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I would like some critique on my design so far. This is going to be the base unit of my cabinet design for an entire wall unit. My initial design goal with this is just to get the drawer height set and comfortable with that. I have tried to add the faceframe elements, but am having trouble deciding on a method to attack that. I am probably over thinking it.



This is the initial unit layout for the Wall. Like I said above I am working on the base units for now, which will house drawers. The top units will probably have shelves, but could have more drawers…The center square is the bed

Please let me know what you think, and those who are able please feel free to comment or give me some pointers of my Sketchup model.
1. The bed seems too high, no chance of sitting on the edge with your feet on the floor.

Hehe…I cant do that now….Our bed is really high as it is right now…between the frame, the boxspring, the mattress and the pillowtop…
 

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DrawerBase Design

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I would like some critique on my design so far. This is going to be the base unit of my cabinet design for an entire wall unit. My initial design goal with this is just to get the drawer height set and comfortable with that. I have tried to add the faceframe elements, but am having trouble deciding on a method to attack that. I am probably over thinking it.



This is the initial unit layout for the Wall. Like I said above I am working on the base units for now, which will house drawers. The top units will probably have shelves, but could have more drawers…The center square is the bed

Please let me know what you think, and those who are able please feel free to comment or give me some pointers of my Sketchup model.
OK now that I have retooled the wheel, I will put in my input on this project. First off face frame or euro style. That is a matter of taste and willingness to build a piece. My input would be to make your drawer boxes the "euro" style so that as you get along in this project you are not held by limitations that you have already set in play. Use some nice 3/4" plywood and build you some sturdy boxes for drawers. And I build my base cabinets a little different in the fact that I make the cabinet without the toe kick. I make it separate as to me and my guys it is easier to level a toe kick than it is to keep moving a cabinet.

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm15/Huckleberry4664/Untitled.jpg
 

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I would like some critique on my design so far. This is going to be the base unit of my cabinet design for an entire wall unit. My initial design goal with this is just to get the drawer height set and comfortable with that. I have tried to add the faceframe elements, but am having trouble deciding on a method to attack that. I am probably over thinking it.



This is the initial unit layout for the Wall. Like I said above I am working on the base units for now, which will house drawers. The top units will probably have shelves, but could have more drawers…The center square is the bed

Please let me know what you think, and those who are able please feel free to comment or give me some pointers of my Sketchup model.
As you move forward in the development of the design below are some questions that might help you determine the (sometime) dreaded question 'what should it to look like'.

Aesthetic questions
Do you want the design to follow a particular style?
Do you already have (or own) a precedent that you want to follow?
Does the basic design suggest or eliminate a style(s)?

Skills/technique questions
Do you want (need) the construction of the design to use your current set of skills and/or tools?
Do you want to use the design to develop new skills?
Does the amount of time (or schedule) you have limit your choice of designs?
How does the budget effect the design?

Of course answering these questions won't produce a design but it might help you focus on what direction to take. Good Luck.
 

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DrawerBase Design

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I would like some critique on my design so far. This is going to be the base unit of my cabinet design for an entire wall unit. My initial design goal with this is just to get the drawer height set and comfortable with that. I have tried to add the faceframe elements, but am having trouble deciding on a method to attack that. I am probably over thinking it.



This is the initial unit layout for the Wall. Like I said above I am working on the base units for now, which will house drawers. The top units will probably have shelves, but could have more drawers…The center square is the bed

Please let me know what you think, and those who are able please feel free to comment or give me some pointers of my Sketchup model.
yea, I wasnt going for a toe kick…but If i did, I would build a separate bottom…that is what I have read in the cabinet books I have read so far.
 

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Platform Bed Design Initial Ideas

Well this is subject to change at anytime as directed by management.

With some help from the forums I have been designing the platform bed for my bedroom wall unit. Below are the initial sketchup designs. I had initially thought about using a torsionbox under the mattress platform but I think I was overdesigning the bed. So I raised the supports up to the 13.5 inches of the outside frame so that the platform will be supported by them instead.

The frame will be made of 6/4 oak with 2 sheets of mdf sandwiched in between. The mdf will be 3 section glued and screwed together with pocket screws using a reversible glue joint on all the edges.



The below image shows the base assembly with the top removed. The holes will be for drawers once I have them designed.



and here is the initial wall view with the bed included.


Any thoughts, ideas or critiques are welcome.
 

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Lingerie Chest - Starting Design

Well this is just a short post. I have started the design for the lingerie chest. Here is its picture:



I used a really neat technique from an article in popular woodworking. It allowed me to do most of the figuring and layout in sketchup once I figured out some of the minor math behind it(i dont have the dividers) If you want to know how I did it let me know….i Think it turned out really nice…

now I just have to design the drawerboxes and the fronts…of course all this is subject to change due to management considerations….

forgot to add I did some looking around to try and find some different dimensions for the layout…

I finally went with about 52×20x18
 

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Well this is just a short post. I have started the design for the lingerie chest. Here is its picture:



I used a really neat technique from an article in popular woodworking. It allowed me to do most of the figuring and layout in sketchup once I figured out some of the minor math behind it(i dont have the dividers) If you want to know how I did it let me know….i Think it turned out really nice…

now I just have to design the drawerboxes and the fronts…of course all this is subject to change due to management considerations….

forgot to add I did some looking around to try and find some different dimensions for the layout…

I finally went with about 52×20x18
Just an FYI
There is almost always more than one way to skin a cat (so to speak) George Walker article demonstrates one method (which I find a bit tedious but still produces a fine result) here is another (also known as the square root of 2 in architectural circles):

HAMBRIDGE PROGRESSION
(i.e. calculating graduated drawer heights)
1. Make square A • A (A = drawer width)
2. Strike arc from square A • A's diagonal
3. Draw horizontal line from intersection of arc and vertical line
Note: You cannot pre-select the total height of all drawers. Final height of the drawers is a function of the number of drawers and drawer width.
Formulas



There is also this wed page that will do the calculations for Hambridge as well as links for calculating an Arithmetic progression and Geometric progression.
 

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Lingerie Chest - Starting Design

Well this is just a short post. I have started the design for the lingerie chest. Here is its picture:



I used a really neat technique from an article in popular woodworking. It allowed me to do most of the figuring and layout in sketchup once I figured out some of the minor math behind it(i dont have the dividers) If you want to know how I did it let me know….i Think it turned out really nice…

now I just have to design the drawerboxes and the fronts…of course all this is subject to change due to management considerations….

forgot to add I did some looking around to try and find some different dimensions for the layout…

I finally went with about 52×20x18
yep I have used those pages in the past. I tend to be a visual person, so even though his method may be a bit tedious, it was helpful for me to see the layout as i went.
 

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Lingerie Chest - Starting Design

Well this is just a short post. I have started the design for the lingerie chest. Here is its picture:



I used a really neat technique from an article in popular woodworking. It allowed me to do most of the figuring and layout in sketchup once I figured out some of the minor math behind it(i dont have the dividers) If you want to know how I did it let me know….i Think it turned out really nice…

now I just have to design the drawerboxes and the fronts…of course all this is subject to change due to management considerations….

forgot to add I did some looking around to try and find some different dimensions for the layout…

I finally went with about 52×20x18
Very nice start. I admire the thought process that goes into such a massive project.

One very stupid factoid that I discovered while researching my own lingerie chest is: They always have seven drawers. One for each day of the week. But I am quite sure that modern use of such a chest would not have each drawer reserved for a day, but rather for a type of garment.

Anyway, I thought it kinda interesting,
Steve
 

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Lingerie Chest - Starting Design

Well this is just a short post. I have started the design for the lingerie chest. Here is its picture:



I used a really neat technique from an article in popular woodworking. It allowed me to do most of the figuring and layout in sketchup once I figured out some of the minor math behind it(i dont have the dividers) If you want to know how I did it let me know….i Think it turned out really nice…

now I just have to design the drawerboxes and the fronts…of course all this is subject to change due to management considerations….

forgot to add I did some looking around to try and find some different dimensions for the layout…

I finally went with about 52×20x18
that is a neat factoid…I guess back in the old days…..
 

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Lingerie Chest - Starting Design

Well this is just a short post. I have started the design for the lingerie chest. Here is its picture:



I used a really neat technique from an article in popular woodworking. It allowed me to do most of the figuring and layout in sketchup once I figured out some of the minor math behind it(i dont have the dividers) If you want to know how I did it let me know….i Think it turned out really nice…

now I just have to design the drawerboxes and the fronts…of course all this is subject to change due to management considerations….

forgot to add I did some looking around to try and find some different dimensions for the layout…

I finally went with about 52×20x18
Better 7 drawers (one for each day of the week) than 12….....
 

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Well I finally have the complete design done. The total hardwood count is kind of low…so I am thinking ill revamp some things still…Maybe Ill go solid wood across the platform instead of using MDF in the middle…But other than that and the drawer webs, I think I have hardwood everywhere feasible..

Let me know what yall think
 

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Well I finally have the complete design done. The total hardwood count is kind of low…so I am thinking ill revamp some things still…Maybe Ill go solid wood across the platform instead of using MDF in the middle…But other than that and the drawer webs, I think I have hardwood everywhere feasible..

Let me know what yall think
Very nice design! I would reduce the amount of hardwood wherever possible. I'm assuming the platform will be under a mattress of some type. Wood would move, making things more difficult. MDF or plywood would be stable and cheaper, and if it's not visible, who cares? Save the money for the "show" side, face frame, etc.
 
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