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Blog entry by thecrus8r posted 01-24-2020 04:16 PM 473 reads 0 times favorited 11 comments Add to Favorites Watch

Greetings,

I am in the market for a new table saw, specifically a table saw with a large enough surface space to safely push larger pieces of lumber through. From what I have come across on my own would be some form of a cabinet table saw. Would anyone have some affordable NEW, not used, recommendations that are south of $2k?

Projects include, but not limited to, the following:

- eat-in benches
- pull out trash/recycle bins
- simple cabinets
- box frames
- floating shelves
- table tops/entertainment center tops

Any and all recommendations are welcomed and appreciated.

Side note, I have circled around the Grizzly cabinet table saws.



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GR8HUNTER

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#1 posted 01-24-2020 04:28 PM

even with a very expensive saw you will still need an outfeed table :<))

-- Tony---- Reinholds,Pa.------ REMEMBER TO ALWAYS HAVE FUN

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thecrus8r

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#2 posted 01-24-2020 05:11 PM

Yes, @gr8hunter. I have an out-feed table, but it’s the width which is a concern. My current saw only has a 26” rip capacity and I’m wanting more. At times when I’ve used my miter saw sled, the table has tilted on me. I’m wanting something wider for stability.

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Rich

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#3 posted 01-24-2020 05:19 PM

My local hardwood dealer has their SawStop built into a massive tabletop. There’s enough support all around the blade to make any cut on a 4×8 sheet without anything hitting the floor.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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thecrus8r

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#4 posted 01-24-2020 05:38 PM

Thank you for the reply, Rich. I am in the market for a wider table saw, I’m not really interested in creating some type makeshift solution for my current saw. I’m looking for recommendations on saws equipped with a rip capacity of 50” or more.

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sansoo22

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#5 posted 01-24-2020 06:20 PM

I don’t know of a cabinet saw besides the Grizzly G0691 that will clock in under $2k. But i think its limited to 49” rip. Would have to double check that. There are some contractor saws like the Powermatic PM64B, Delta 36-5052, or the SawStop that are under $2k. The Delta has had mixed reviews but its only 1200 bucks. All are around 50” rip capacity. The PM and SS will jump north of 2k if you add things like a mobile base or overhead dust collection.

If you’re not in a hurry there is the used market. Sometimes its slim pickings but a patient person can pick up a used contractor saw for 40 to 60 percent of MSRP.

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Rich

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#6 posted 01-24-2020 06:26 PM

I wouldn’t call their setup makeshift. It’s a cabinet grade saw with a 50” rip capacity that they’ve built supports around that will allow one man to make any full sheet cut without assistance. Sure as heck sounded like what you were asking for. A cabinet saw with a 50” rip capacity is easy to find—not for under $2K new though.

Best of luck. I think you’ll need it.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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thecrus8r

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#7 posted 01-24-2020 06:58 PM

sansoo22, thank you for the reply and suggestions. From what I’ve found so far, it has been between the Grizzly, Delta, and Baileigh that are below $2k. You’re right with regards to the Grizzly only being capable of ripping up to 49”. In all reality, I think 49” is sufficient enough for the jobs I will be doing. The Delta’s price is attractive, but there are more negative reviews than there are positive, that’s making it unappealing.

Rich, thank you for the input.

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LittleBlackDuck

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#8 posted 01-24-2020 08:30 PM

How about looking outside the square? Maybe a round tabletop… just kidding.

How often do you need the large capacity of a mongrel tablesaw?
Have you considered a tracksaw... I have a relatively small contractor’s tablesaw (pimped out to look like a behemoth with a short reach) and if I need to process sheet goods, I set them up on some saw horses (my new “centipede” will do nicely in the future) and break them in using my Fe$tool tracksaw. Now I’m not necessarily spruiking Fe$tool, as many manufacturers now supply them for quite a few shekels less and you seem to be more frugal than me.

With some careful setup, they will produce as good a result with less manoeuver hassles.

PS. If you do decide to upsize… don’t compromise safety with cost!

-- If your first cut is too short... Take the second cut from the longer end... LBD

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CaptainKlutz

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#9 posted 01-25-2020 03:35 PM

Suggest you need to think outside the box, and ask:

What controls the cut max width on table saw?

Answer: The fence and size of the table top.

Let’s explore these:

1) Table top size:
Standard 10” cabinet saw top is usually 27” deep, and 21-23” wide. Most have extensions on each side that are 8-12” wide; which makes width 36-48” max. Since the blade is in middle of saw, the maximum safe cut width is half the top width, or ~24”.
Typical 12-14” industrial table saw has deeper top, usually 32”. They are wider, running ~30”. Some, but not all have extension wings that add ~12-14” to each side. This allows these larger saws to support ~54”, or 27” wide cut. Most saw mfg sell a right table extension to support the max usable cut width provided by the FENCE.

The only way to support a wider cut is to add en extension table to the saw, after you buy it!

Generally speaking, in order to safely cut boards longer than 12” on a table saw you need an out feed extension table too. Otherwise the board attempts to drop off the back of saw, and lift front edge away from the blade.

2) Fence size:
Generally speaking there are TWO common lengths of T-square fence: ~5’ and ~7’. The same type of T-Square fence is used on both the 10” and larger cabinet saws. Each length can be attached to saw for different width cuts. Since the fence head requires a large 10-14” surface area to ensure the fence stays square, you only get to use ~46” of the 60” long fence, or ~70” of the 84” long fence.
Most 5’ fences are installed with 12-14” left, and 36-40” right cut capacity, although some contractor saws used a 22” left, 24” right configuration. Typical 7’ fence offers 12-16” left and 48-54” right. There are some hobby grade light duty fences shorter than 5’; but they are found on light duty hobby saws not intended to cut large panels.

Since the fence cut width is set by the length of front tube on the saw, you can make larger cut width; using a longer front rail. In past, Biesemeyer offered a longer fence option. You could purchase fence rails up to 10’ or 120” long. This length rail provided ~96 right width. Beisemeyer was bought out by Delta, and no longer exists. But can still custom order longer Biesemeyer fences on Delta Industrial saws. Otherwise you will be required to make your own front rail for existing fence, or build a new fence.

Biesemeyer fence design cloned by nearly everyone allows any saw owner to make a custom length front tube. There are many online sources for how to make one, such as:
http://www.twistedknotwoodshop.com/PDF%20Files/tsquarefence.pdf
or
https://vsctools.com/product-details/diy-table-saw/

Summary:
You are not limited to the factory length options for table saw that limit the safe cut size, but you will need to build your own extended support tables, and maybe a new fence; to make it possible.

Hope this Table saw & fence education is helpful.
Cheers!

-- I'm an engineer not a woodworker, but I can randomly find useful tools and furniture inside a pile of lumber!

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WoodenDreams

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#10 posted 01-25-2020 11:13 PM

How are you powering up the saw. Are you planning on 120v or 230v. I have the Grizzly G0771Z and for my use, I’m satisfied with it. For larger cross cuts, adding a wider side wing is a plus. And you can use the wider side wing for a router table if you wish. And consider a longer outfeed. I have a 48”x48” workbench that doubles as a outfeed table. You may want to add DIY extensions to the fence for a longer fence.

Depending on your time frame of purchase. Grizzly has a large tent sale at their Springfield, Mo and Seattle, Wa locations. You get some nice savings at these events, not available online. Every once and a while Grizzly will put the table saw on sale on their monthly specials for online buyers.

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Jeff

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#11 posted 02-01-2020 04:07 AM

If time is not of the essence, then be patient and keep your eyes open. The picture was a reward of patience. The long rail on the fence is 52” (Iv’e not cut that wide). Though to work safely you will still require outfeed support sufficent to the load.

Also pay attention to Captain Klutz, It is good advice

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