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58 years old secret box
Made me a little confused when I saw this today.

Today I had a wonderful lunch at an old friend and architect Ib Welling, he is an old carpenter and has so many wonderful things in his house, so I was on a little discovery tour.

Her I found the box you see on the pictures,
I said: 'Ib did you make yourself a Roy Underhill box?'
He answered: 'Roy who?
And then he told me this box was given to him when he was 8 he is now 66…
It was given to him from his father's sisters husband who was Lebanese, his name was Abdel, and was extremely rich.
So the the 'Roy Underhill' box are at least 58 years old, and this one comes from Lebanon.

I call it now mine the ABDEL box, and have added my sketchbook drawing.

There are two differences;
The old ABDEL has two steel tops, one that are the pivot, and one just for confusion.
The dovetail is only half, and is cut out from the lover part of the box, so it all is the same wood.
And the most interesting difference are that the original has a secret lock, that makes it impossible not to open the box unless you hold it upside down - so now even I start to see why this box are a secret box, and not just difficult to open.

Here are a link for my version of the ABDEL box; MaFe Overkill grease box.
Roy Underhill version can be found here on his web site, with plans along with other cool stuff.

I made a blog about the grease box story.

Hope it can be to inspiration, and Il think Roy are a wonderful guy, just so there are no doubts,

Best thoughts,
MaFe

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Hey Mads
Very cool, and awesome story :)
is it possible for you to explain the mechanism that doesnt allow you to open it unless you hold it upside down? i find it difficult to see from the pictures.

"edit" - after staring at the last two pictures for a few minutes i think i see the secret mechanism… heheh :) very very cool!!
 

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Mads, that is really an unusual find and looks like it is quite ingenius. I'm glad that you had a good visit with your friend. He sounds like he is quite an interesting character. take care, Mads.
 

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yes Mads I´m with Flemming
you deffently have to explain this
so even dummies (like me ) can see it (and understand) ....LOL

niiice score if it was given to you :)

Dennis
 

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Great little box Mads. An old version :))
 

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Cunning little devil. Upside down eh!
 

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Hi guys,
Yes I'll try and explain.
When the box are held normal the little metal piece falls into the hole under, and then it's not possible for it to slide in the spur, when it's turned upside down, it falls into the lit hole, and that means the middle lit now can use the spr and be opened. Clever!
Best thoughts,
Mads
 

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thank´s Mads hadn´t seen picture 3 sorry I thought it was the same as 4

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Hmmmm an only open upside down greesebox….sounds like a trick to make sure some apprentice gets gooey hands. ;)

And yes, Roy did not invent the box. Only built one on his show. ... which ought to be starting up a new season any time now. Hard to believe he is going on his 30th season. Wow.
 

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Hi Mads,
had you noticed this before?
 

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Hi Jamie, noticed what?
Swirt, I just wrote him, and told him the story - and I never heard about him before looking for old English tallow pot's, but I loved this video with him, he seems so positive and full of light, just a type I love. The version my friend had was not for grease, just a secret box from Lebanon.
If some one have info of the origin, it will be fun to know more.
 

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Hey President, apart from the clever little mechanism, THAT box sure has character! Imagine if it could tell about its travels…
 

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What a "great" little box Mads :)

That secret lock is a awesom.

Keep of the good work finding things :)
 

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Now that it is known how the lock works, I can pretend not to be a dummie.

What kind of wood is it made off?
 

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Ian, I have no idea!
 

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Coming from Lebanon, I am guessing cedar.
 

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Mafe, Roy is like that in all his videos. Positive, upbeat, a bit philosophical / romantic about tools and wood and almost always out of breath from trying to talk and do handtool work at the same time.

I've never met him, but everyone that has written about meeting him has nothing but great things to say. I hope to attend one of his classes, but that may be a ways off. For now I will have to settle for watching him on TV or seeing the videos here. http://www.pbs.org/woodwrightsshop/video/2900/2901.html
Sadly the videos only go back to 2006.
 

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You know, it looks to me like somebody once tried to force it open. Look at the tearing on the edge of the recess for the steel tab.
 

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Yes I think also it had it's life, and some one impatient has used force. It was the gift for a boy, and he had kids.
Yes, this Roy seems to be a nice guy, we will se if he answers his mail.
Best thoughts,
Mads
 

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You added on of your exquisite drawings!! It is Art man! I have saved the photo on my computer…hope you don't mind…
 
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