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Tool Tip #38: Hook and Loop alternative fixes

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Blog entry by robscastle posted 06-22-2021 05:45 AM 678 reads 0 times favorited 35 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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I am not sure if this is of any interest but here goes.
1. Most of our sanding work involves Hook and loop materials of all sorts of dimensions.

I have a couple of ROS
a Metabo SXE 450 150mm ..and two Dewalt’s D26453- XE 120mm
All courtesy of Degoose a few years back, so thank you Larry.
I also have a half sheet sander, I had two but somebody pinched one.

2. When my son and I were building his new gate he was sanding away and didn’t notice the Abranet disc spun off, and as a result subsequently sanded off the H&L surface of the backing pad.

Has it been damaged beyond repair?

3. How to test if the H&L has failed, place a disc on the edge and try to pull it off sideways if it releases the H&L surface is damaged, if it stays stuck its OK.

Another check would be to use your sanding block as a second test.

Believe it or not if the H&L is good it will not release sideways.

4. So what do we do?... go buy another backing pad?

Anywhere between $25 and $38 AUD, and that will fix it.

Or….

5. replace just the H&L section on the original pad.

So here is the alternative fix. Coming in at $9 and $9.50 AUD each

You will need to sand off all of the original H&L, shouldn’t be a prob as its half done already.

Method 1
Use a a sheet of sandpaper and run the ROS on it until the surface is removed, or
Method 2
Use the trusty disc sander and hold the ROS on it running, checking your progress regularly.

or

Note you do not need to remove the pad from the sander, I took it off intending to go buy a replacement pad, Which incidentally I did as a back up if the other method failed during a task, and don’t press too hard and burn the pad into the grit.

Soon it will look like this.

With the replacement pressure sensitive H&L replacement pad your now ready to go to step 2
this is my 150mm Metabo replacement.

This is my 120mm DeWalt replacement.

Now I had to punch the three screw locating holes in it.

Then ready to attach.

A bit of filddling about but possibly a cost effective alternative
a cost saving of 2/3 to1/2 the complete replacement pads.

Will they work as well? .....only time will tell.

-- Regards Rob



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BlueRidgeDog

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#1 posted 06-22-2021 01:38 PM

Very good. Though HL is a pain at times, it is way better than the old adhesive stuff.

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#2 posted 06-22-2021 02:01 PM

where’s the duck he’d have a party with this one rc.

-- working with my hands is a joy,it gives me a sense of fulfillment,somthing so many seek and so few find.-SAM MALOOF.

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#3 posted 06-22-2021 02:42 PM

I had a couple of Bosch’s. Nice sanders. No vibration. But the backing pads would lose their hooks after awhile. I bought new pads but it still happened. I will say that it happened much faster with abranet paper which is the one I used because it was the best stuff.

Well, After awhile I just started buying the stick on stuff and it sticks on over what was left of the hooks and worked fine. A note: I’ve since moved on to air as I have and 80 gallon compressor. Three years with a hook and loop 3m sander and no issues.

-- The smell of wood, coffee in the cup, the wife let's me do my thing, the lake is peaceful.

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#4 posted 06-22-2021 02:46 PM

I think the duck has been winged to some degree.

-- Regards Rob

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#5 posted 06-22-2021 02:57 PM



I had a couple of Bosch s. Nice sanders. No vibration. But the backing pads would lose their hooks after awhile. I bought new pads but it still happened. I will say that it happened much faster with abranet paper which is the one I used because it was the best stuff.

Well, After awhile I just started buying the stick on stuff and it sticks on over what was left of the hooks and worked fine. A note: I ve since moved on to air as I have and 80 gallon compressor. Three years with a hook and loop 3m sander and no issues.

- Craftsman on the lake


yeah with abranet ya gotta use backing pads.

-- working with my hands is a joy,it gives me a sense of fulfillment,somthing so many seek and so few find.-SAM MALOOF.

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#6 posted 06-22-2021 03:02 PM



I think the duck has been winged to some degree.

- robscastle


yeah i know he hasn’t been flyin lately but he popped on gunnys garage the other day too give me some duck crap,so he’s on the mend.

-- working with my hands is a joy,it gives me a sense of fulfillment,somthing so many seek and so few find.-SAM MALOOF.

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#7 posted 06-22-2021 08:04 PM

I’m probably not the norm but I took the h&L pads off my ro’s and put the stick pad on. I buy psa paper by the 100 piece roll, don’t have a clue how much I’m saving or losing – I just know this way works for me
Plus when I take a piece off, I fold it in half and use that for tight spots and finish sanding

-- Dick, Malvern Ohio - my biggest fear is that when I die, my wife sells my toys for what I told her I paid for them

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#8 posted 06-22-2021 08:29 PM

im in Dicks camp as i hate the H&L I can still remember your pinched sander Rob :<))))

-- Tony---- Reinholds,Pa.------ REMEMBER TO ALWAYS HAVE FUN :<))

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#9 posted 06-22-2021 09:47 PM

Hello Guys and thanks for the feedback,

I did respond to COTL regarding regarding intermediate pads or pad savers when using Abranet or Sisa net but the reply is missing for some reason, not sure why.
So I will repost

from the Mirka site.

https://www.mirka.com/accessories/pad-savers/
and from Mallee Agencies here in Australia where I purchased my products from.

https://www.malleeagencies.com.au/collections/pad-savers

BTW any body know who this is? Margaret97?

She has just buddied Rick me Jim Awsum55 and RoccoD, she is a good looker dosent look 97 thats for sure!

I hope she can work the wood!
I am a bit worried she may have her eye on my sanders though, I cannot afford to lose another one!!!!.

-- Regards Rob

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#10 posted 06-22-2021 10:34 PM

Black Widow, RUN!

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#11 posted 06-22-2021 10:44 PM



Hello Guys and thanks for the feedback,

I did respond to COTL regarding regarding intermediate pads or pad savers when using Abranet or Sisa net but the reply is missing for some reason, not sure why.
So I will repost

from the Mirka site.

https://www.mirka.com/accessories/pad-savers/
and from Mallee Agencies here in Australia where I purchased my products from.

https://www.malleeagencies.com.au/collections/pad-savers

BTW any body know who this is? Margaret97?

She has just buddied Rick me Jim Awsum55 and RoccoD, she is a good looker dosent look 97 thats for sure!

I hope she can work the wood!
I am a bit worried she may have her eye on my sanders though, I cannot afford to lose another one!!!!.

- robscastle


had one siimilar this morning i responded spam and flagged it.cricket had it gone immediately.

-- working with my hands is a joy,it gives me a sense of fulfillment,somthing so many seek and so few find.-SAM MALOOF.

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LittleBlackDuck

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#12 posted 06-23-2021 03:21 AM

Shit rc, even in pain I can’t resist being relegated to a rough 40G.

Secondly, for someone that had his sander stolen, from the looks of your collection, you seem to have scoured the neighborhood and recipricatad… Just hope those that have had their ROS stolen don’t bitch as much as your average Queenslander… can’t handle more boo-hoo lost sander stories…

BTW. Got your rrrs wooped with the 50-6 demoralising loss… weep about that!


Anywhere between $25 and $38 AUD, and that will fix it.

Or….
- robscastle


I’m sure you’ll get hundreds (and thousands),

of flaky LJers jumping on the band wagon to save that elusive shekel.

The average woodworker should rate themselves at $50 an hour… Unless you can ressurrect the pad in under 1/2 and hour the salvation may be a costly exercise…


..... a cost saving of 2/3 to1/2 the complete replacement pads.
- robsastle

Hmm. a sheet of starter (what the call the loopy stuff) can cost from $30-$50… without travelling, postage and/or labour.

However...
If you can’t buy a replacement pad… bloody good idea and suggestion… I don’t know why your kids keep saying you’re useless… you can always be used as a bad example.

Cool blog!

-- If your first cut is too short... Take the second cut from the longer end... LBD

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LittleBlackDuck

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#13 posted 06-23-2021 03:44 AM

Forgot to mention… Putting sanding discs on the pad (or not letting them wear through) will minimise wear on the loop… just a suggestion.

-- If your first cut is too short... Take the second cut from the longer end... LBD

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#14 posted 06-23-2021 02:27 PM

now thats the duck we all love and have missed, chew em up and spit em out !

-- working with my hands is a joy,it gives me a sense of fulfillment,somthing so many seek and so few find.-SAM MALOOF.

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robscastle

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#15 posted 06-23-2021 05:51 PM

We have been doing a review on a combination planer by the name of Erbauer have you ever heard of the brand?

The by product of drilling the chupbba cupps sure makes attractive mess

-- Regards Rob

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