Beaded face frame work #4: The Beaded Face Frame Pt 3, the last experiment

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Blog entry by robscastle posted 01-26-2019 01:10 AM 1436 reads 0 times favorited 7 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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I continued on with my beaded Face frame learning.
This time I increased the size of the bead profile and made the final frame.
It appears you can increase the bead profile up to a certain size before needing bigger notching bits.
According to Kreg you can use 1/4, 5/16 and 3/8 beading bits with the 1 12 notching bit.

So I selected a bigger beading bit and tried again.

Again I dressed up some recycled timber for the job.

Set up some test pieces and got to work.

It turned out OK

To avoid beading the incorrect side I determined once you lay out the materials the notching process should all be done first then upon assembly and checking for fit then complete the beading. Hence the reason why there is a ragged edge on one piece.

Continuing on I pocket holed it all together this time and gave it a good inspection.

There were a few gaps here and there but most concern was the twist in the central vertical piece.
I guess I could have sanded it out but it looked like rubbish to me so I dismantled it all and religated it to the Otto bin again.

All interesting knowledge ready for the day I need to make a real one.

-- Regards Rob

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#1 posted 01-26-2019 05:06 AM

A successful Test!


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#2 posted 01-26-2019 12:22 PM

Looking good Rob. The learning process can be tough, but it only makes success that much sweeter!

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.

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#3 posted 01-27-2019 03:49 AM

your obsessions have always fascinated me,and this is no exception! i have to say you do get what your going for,nice work my friend.

-- working with my hands is a joy,it gives me a sense of fulfillment,somthing so many seek and so few find.-SAM MALOOF.

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#4 posted 01-27-2019 05:14 AM

Hello Joe, Mike and Larry.

Thanks guys for all the supportive comments.

Well it was a safe version of my many attempts to do curved beading with a router trimmer.
After exhausting all my research of how to do this and retain fingers and possibly other parts I decided to go for the straight Beaded Face Frame (BFF) version to satisfy my curiosity.

Although in saying that after seeing how Sam Maloof “balleted around using big routers with just one hand he may have been candidtate!

I would be interested to find out if there is anybody with the skills to do this, and if they have ever managed to produce anything wortwhile.

After all the BFF work was all over its a bit odd that both Sommerfeld brothers designed two completely different systems that achieve the same result.

Still the freehand Curved beading is not something I will be trying.

Thanks again guys.

-- Regards Rob

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#5 posted 01-28-2019 05:49 AM

Thats all working out great,
You will be able to build some awesome windows and doors with that.

-- There is no hope for any of us if we keep apologizing for telling the truth.

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#6 posted 01-29-2020 01:25 AM

Evening. I’m just in the start up of learning to use a beaded face frame jig I made using simple sled over the table mounted router. In your process, if your using the 1.5” notching bit and your lumber is 1.5” wide. I’m assuming you set the height at the point where your taking out exactly 1.5” of wood for the inside corners to match up.
Question is do you bead the edges after you have matched up the notches for fit.
Thanks for sharing your experiences..
Denis Allan

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#7 posted 01-29-2020 07:05 AM

Hi here Denis

To answer your question I would bead the edges after notching for the following reason, there is less possibility of tear out of a small bead section if done first.

However in saying this its a matter of personal experience a bit like pins and tails on dovetail joints, which one gets done first.
I should also say that I have not yet made any project with them, possibly Pottzie was right!! comment #4 part 2.

Marc Sommerfeld has done various videos on the tools if you want the designers opinion !!

-- Regards Rob

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