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Furniture #31: Shoe Rack Cabinet Framework continues and door work starts

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Blog entry by robscastle posted 09-28-2017 06:13 AM 2748 reads 0 times favorited 10 comments Add to Favorites Watch
« Part 30: Shoe Rack Cabinet Starting the framework Part 31 of Furniture series Part 32: Shoe Rack Cabinet door work complete - minus the hinges »

Ok I continued on and completed the frame work then went hinge hunting and commenced the top tilting door and bottom swinging doors.
After spending half a day running around trying to find Face frame inset door hinges that I wanted I gave up as a time waster, maybe they do not exist who knows.

Anyway finished the front frame work.

The top section will be the tilt out section and below the mid rail two hinged doors will be fitted

A digression and “tool Tip” you cannot use coarse screws in hardwood when the dimensions are critical.
With the reduction of the width of the face frame I did another test with the coarse screws, and what do you know produced a fail, what a surprise!!

So yet another shopping trip, this time I bought the correct screws returned home and tried again, and what do you know they worked!!

With all the running around not a lot was achieved yesterday so I continued on today

The doors The front tilting drawer and the two lower doors kept me amused all of today

I made all the frames and started on the Raised panels had two which split or a knot fell out so I had to visit the timber stack and make even more stock with the Red Ironbark, this was not factored into the material required so its up again.

The Rejects.

Anyway working away I managed to get two door finished when yet another panel blew out.

So I am going to glue it up overnight and take to it with the sander to see if I can repair and recover it otherwise it yet another panel to be made tomorrow. (See note below)

The doors dry assembled and sitting in their respective positions.

One of the Raised Panel blow outs on the R/H side door.

After doing a few checks on Red Ironbark there is a general opinion normal glues will not work well on it so maybe its yet another Raised panel to be made.
There is also a general recommendation not to use Red ironbark for furniture due to its hardness but a there is a comment it will polish up well, they got that right.

That was enough for today so i packed up.

Lessons learned:

I am begining to understand why some woodworkers have more than one router, the amount of time swapping bits setting them up and profiling whatever seemed to be a very time consuming and fiddly activity.

Three routers set up would be the go, two for frame profiling bits, and the third for Raised Panel work.

Add having a back cutting combination Panel cutter bit would be a plus as well.

-- Regards Rob



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LittleBlackDuck

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#1 posted 09-28-2017 08:56 AM


... “tool Tip” you cannot use coarse screws in hardwood when the dimensions are critical….

- robscastle

rc, May I impart my own ”tool Tip”... for pocket holes, you need to screw down and not screw up.

PS. Put the “re-glue” on the bottom inside corner… should have enough disguise to not be obvious.

PPS. You’re lucky to have a Kreg supplier within driving distance. If not in a rush, Screw-it is an economical alternative… we (well me) just can’t seem to steer clear of controversial topics…

-- If your first cut is too short... Take the second cut from the longer end... LBD

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Boxguy

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#2 posted 09-28-2017 09:20 AM

Robert, hang in there. I like the look of the start. Good luck with the hinges. Thanks for taking us along on the ride.

-- Big Al in IN

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robscastle

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#3 posted 09-28-2017 10:32 AM

The pictures I was trying to post are now there.

Hinges:

A open question… is there such a device as a Euro hinge that is available for faceframe cabinets with inset doors in Australlia?

Looks like this:

Local hinge and hardware sellers in QLD. Nil
Bunnings. Nil
ebay. Nil
Amazon. possibly but will not deliver to AUS

-- Regards Rob

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LittleBlackDuck

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#4 posted 09-28-2017 11:00 AM


Local hinge and hardware sellers in QLD. Nil

Nikpol in Victorian (???)... I’m not a hinge expert so I don’t know if they might have what you want (or at least do the same job), but this is a pointer to their catalog. ... they have a shopping cart so I guess they would deliver…

Amazon. possibly but will not deliver to AUS

I think I may have mentioned before… you can set up a US address for those things you must have and suppliers wont ship internationally. PM me if you might want direction.

-- If your first cut is too short... Take the second cut from the longer end... LBD

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robscastle

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#5 posted 09-28-2017 11:27 AM

LBD
Nikpol has a branch in Banyo QLD, so I trolled through their Grass hinge cat, again nothing for Face frame inset doors.
Dosent any body build cabinets with face frames and inset doors any more they are all framless versions from the looks.

Oh well I can see a mod being installed if I cannot source them, so its not complete show stopper but disapointing.
Just goes to show should have bought all the screws and hardware first.

Thanks for the pointer!

Yes you did mention the Amazon workaround, they will be here soon anyway.

-- Regards Rob

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Joe Lyddon

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#6 posted 09-28-2017 09:25 PM

WOW!

I thought there would be some those style hinges that would DO IT…

I never did know what happened if one used Course screws instead of Fine ones… Thank you…
Very nice to know WHY!

COOL!

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: https://www.ncwoodworker.net/forums/index.php

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LittleBlackDuck

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#7 posted 09-29-2017 12:13 AM



Amazon. possibly but will not deliver to AUS

... you can set up a US address for those things you must have and suppliers wont ship internationally.
- LittleBlackDuck


Just another point on this rc. It’s not Amazon that won’t ship to Australia but rather individual suppliers. Check out “alternative suppliers” if you don’t want to set up a US on-forwarding address.

-- If your first cut is too short... Take the second cut from the longer end... LBD

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Texcaster

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#8 posted 09-29-2017 09:27 PM

Rob, that hinge is a new one on me. Most cabinets in Australia are modular with no face frame. Once in awhile a cupboard would have three doors, this was the method to hang the third door and support the shelf. You could just pack out behind the stile for each hinge and be done with it.

-- Mama calls me Texcaster but my real name is Mr. Earl.

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robscastle

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#9 posted 09-29-2017 10:44 PM

Some reply acknowledgments:

Joe: When I saw the hinges I was satisfied they would do the job, pity they are not available or importable as a special order. I would buy a bucket of them as well!

LBD: I will check out Screw it should find some intersting side sites as well

Texcaster: Your on the mark for a mod, its just I am dittering doing it and hoping for a miracle

-- Regards Rob

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#10 posted 09-29-2017 11:52 PM

Bummer about the hinges! :(

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: https://www.ncwoodworker.net/forums/index.php

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