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Best 5" ROS for dust collection OTHER than Festool.

by Gilley23
posted 09-12-2017 04:06 PM


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CharlesA

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#1 posted 09-12-2017 04:13 PM

I got in on the cheap festool, but before that I was using the DeWalt ROS with a Ridgid 14 gal shop vac and that handled all the dust I could generate.

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#2 posted 09-12-2017 04:27 PM

I’ve used a Bosch 3725 for more years than I can remember (15 +/-, I think), and to be honest with the optional connecting device and having it hooked to a shop vac, I don’t see how a Festool can be better. But I did have to cobble together a vent arrangement with the vac, it actually sucked the sander into the wood and I was worried about wearing out the pad. Eventually I did buy a VS vac to solve the problem. I did buy the cheap Festool sander when it was released ($99) but I haven’t used it yet.

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#3 posted 09-12-2017 04:27 PM

I can’t speak for the 3725 but I have a 20 and a 65. The 20 is more of a a finish sander in my opinion. I think the 65 has less vibration and is more comfortable to use for larger projects. The 20 will get into tighter spaces. They both are quality tools, good value for the price. DC on both is pretty good with the included attachment, better with a vac attached but if you go the vac route be sure you have a HEPA filter in the vac or you will just redistribute the fine dust around the house from the vac exhaust anyway. Don’t ask me how I know that….

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#4 posted 09-12-2017 04:28 PM

I use the DeWalt ROS and it does well even with just the small bag collector it comes with.
It doesn’t look discontinued as the HD big box still sells it for $59.

My only complaint (and they may have fixed it by now) is the switch on the DeWalt gets easily bumped to “off” while I’m working and is a little harder to switch to “on”.
Sorry that I don’t have a better recommendation. Good luck though.

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#5 posted 09-12-2017 05:24 PM

I use a cheap Skil ROS with my ShopVac and don’t really have any dust at all. Been using that sander for three or four years without any issues. About $40. I purchased mine at Wal-Mart.

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Gilley23

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#6 posted 09-12-2017 05:33 PM

DS, sorry I didn’t put the model numbers in the first post, I was referring to the Porter Cable 390K https://www.amazon.com/PORTER-CABLE-390K-5-Inch-Profile-Collection/dp/B001B2EGLK and the Dewalt D26456. Looks like the same sander with different paint.


I use the DeWalt ROS and it does well even with just the small bag collector it comes with.
It doesn t look discontinued as the HD big box still sells it for $59.

My only complaint (and they may have fixed it by now) is the switch on the DeWalt gets easily bumped to “off” while I m working and is a little harder to switch to “on”.
Sorry that I don t have a better recommendation. Good luck though.

- DS


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Gilley23

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#7 posted 09-12-2017 05:43 PM

Fred, can the black handle on the front be removed from the 3725? I’m going to have to sand up flush to a wall in a corner, I want to use the ROS as much as possible to keep the hand sanding to a minimum.


I ve used a Bosch 3725 for more years than I can remember (15 +/-, I think), and to be honest with the optional connecting device and having it hooked to a shop vac, I don t see how a Festool can be better. But I did have to cobble together a vent arrangement with the vac, it actually sucked the sander into the wood and I was worried about wearing out the pad. Eventually I did buy a VS vac to solve the problem. I did buy the cheap Festool sander when it was released ($99) but I haven t used it yet.

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#8 posted 09-12-2017 05:47 PM

I think the best value is the Porter Cable. It runs between $42-$49 at Lowes: That sander is a true workhorse. We use them all day every day in my shop. I connect mine to my 2HP dust collector via the Rockler small hose port kit, and I get almost zero dust when connected this way.

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Gilley23

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#9 posted 09-12-2017 05:53 PM

This one?
https://m.lowes.com/pd/PORTER-CABLE-1-9-Amp-Orbital-Sander/3275809


I think the best value is the Porter Cable. It runs between $42-$49 at Lowes: That sander is a true workhorse. We use them all day every day in my shop. I connect mine to my 2HP dust collector via the Rockler small hose port kit, and I get almost zero dust when connected this way.

- SweetTea


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#10 posted 09-12-2017 05:58 PM


Fred, can the black handle on the front be removed from the 3725? I m going to have to sand up flush to a wall in a corner, I want to use the ROS as much as possible to keep the hand sanding to a minimum.
- Gilley23

Well, I’ve never done that…but just for you I looked. There is one socket hex head bolt holding it on, it’s 5MM. Unscrew that and the front handle comes right off.

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Gilley23

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#11 posted 09-12-2017 07:29 PM

Awesome, thanks.

Fred, can the black handle on the front be removed from the 3725? I m going to have to sand up flush to a wall in a corner, I want to use the ROS as much as possible to keep the hand sanding to a minimum.
- Gilley23

Well, I ve never done that…but just for you I looked. There is one socket hex head bolt holding it on, it s 5MM. Unscrew that and the front handle comes right off.

- Fred Hargis


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Mainiac Matt

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#12 posted 09-12-2017 07:47 PM

I went through this same decision making process when my old Skill sander died.

I chose the Milwaukee 6021‑21 5” ROS. I find that it is very powerful and the VS is very useful.

But I love the soft start… that’s a nice feature.

Also, the hose hook up fit’s right in my 2.5” shop vac hose with no adapter or fuss… and it catches almost all of the dust… literally, I don’t see any dust. (note: I have a HEPA filter on my shop vac, so the dust stays in side it).

I made my decision based on reviews here on Lumber Jocks …. specifically, from some of the woodworkers who’s projects I admire.

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retfr8flyr

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#13 posted 09-12-2017 07:59 PM

I have a PC 390K and the DC is very good on that sander. I wanted to get another sander and I was in the same position as you about DC. I looked at everything and one of my main interests was vibration control, along with the DC. I looked at everything and ended up getting the Bosch ROS65VC. I have been very happy with this sander. The vibration control is fantastic and DC is also great with an external DC, I haven’t tried it without but I think it would do a good job.

-- Earl

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#14 posted 09-13-2017 02:02 AM

I have the bosch ROS20VSC. Very happy with it. The only other I have used is the Ridgid, and it is a POS.
I have a friend that thinks the bosch works about as good as her festool. And given the price difference, better.
Dust collection on the bosch is great too.

-- John

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#15 posted 09-13-2017 03:32 AM

The Bosch ROS20VSC

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Gilley23

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#16 posted 09-13-2017 03:38 AM

Thanks for all of the advice, guys. I’m going to go with the Bosch ROS20VSC. All of the reviews that I’ve read here and elsewhere say that the dust collection is excellent and the vibration is low. It’s less than half the price of the 3725, and with the 3725 the vacuum adapter is sold separately at an additional $13. The 3725 certainly is more heavy duty for faster material removal when needed, but I think that the ROS20 will do what I need it to do and then some.

For $61.80 to my doorstep, I’m looking forward to its arrival!!

Thanks again guys.

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#17 posted 09-13-2017 03:47 AM

I would push very strongly toward getting a Makita orbital sander. Have been using one for almost two years now, and still running strong. Very good dust collection. Very good option because the handle gives you much more added support vs. the non handle models. Just my two cents, hope this helps!
https://www.makitatools.com/products/details/BO5041

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coxhaus

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#18 posted 09-13-2017 04:10 AM

I have a couple of older Bosch sanders and they work great with my Fein shop vac.

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#19 posted 09-13-2017 10:57 AM

The ROS 20 may weigh a little less as well, making long use a little less stressful. Should serve you well!

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#20 posted 09-13-2017 01:37 PM

I’ve got the same Bosch sander: I hope you’re as happy with it as I am! BTW, in case you missed Papadan’s review on them, I tried the new mesh discs offered by Diablo at HD, and am pretty darn happy with their performance compared to the cheap stuff I had been using. They seem to help a great deal to prevent clogging and improve dust collection.

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#21 posted 09-13-2017 03:47 PM

As mentioned, too much suction pulls the sander hard against the wood. This slows down the random orbit capability and puts strain on the motor.

To solve the problem, I picked up twenty feet of heavy duty flex hose from a big box. I run it through a Dust Deputy. Both of these things knock down the draw and the Deputy, of course, reduces the fines that get into the filter.

To reduce the draw even more, but not permanently, I took a lesson from house vacuum manufacturers. I took a pieces of PVC I had laying around, which was about the same diameter as the hose, and cut it to about four inches long. Then took about 1” out of it, lengthwise. This allows it to flex just enough to fit over the hose. I drilled three holes about 5/8” just back from the end of the hose and so they would all be covered, if I turned the PVC.

In the end, I could wear a tux while sanding flat stock, if I have the right sandpaper.

I, recently, went the Festool route (it’s far more than just dust collection) and this works great for it, WITHOUT requiring me to invest an absurd amount in yet another vacuum (I have four dust collectors and three vacuums). It, also, works great on my little Porter Cable sander. As such, I think it would work for most sanders using paper that allows a vac to pick up the dust it generates.

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#22 posted 09-14-2017 11:33 AM

After 2 Bosch I went with a Ridgid. Really like the Ridgid. I’ve compared it side by side with the Bosch, it’s faster and smoother and i get a better finish.

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#23 posted 09-14-2017 11:56 AM

I’ve got the lower profile PC, and it’s worked great for years. The dust collection is good too. I’ve got a ClearVue 1800 (5hp DC); I made a downdraft table (plywood box with a 4” connection for a dust hose and a pegboard top) – I attach a 4” to the downdraft table and a 1.5”(?) to the sander, and it works great. I recently picked up a Dylos to see where I’m making my dust, and I’ve found very little dust in the air when sanding. I actually stopped wearing a respirator when I send now.

I’ve also learned I should wear a respirator when I sweep up; wow, does that kick up some dust.

-- John

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#24 posted 09-14-2017 02:57 PM

If you REALLY want to bump up the efficiency of that sanding table, install posts on all four sides. Mine has adjustable posts over which I threw a sheet of nylon I had and it forces all the air to be drawn only from the front, where you’re working.

I added short sides from some PVC wall covering to the sides and back so things wouldn’t fall off (hey, it’s a horizontal surface, so one more storage area).

With my little 3hp (4”) hooked to it, I can sand things near the front of it and see the dust being pulled back into the table.


I ve got the lower profile PC, and it s worked great for years. The dust collection is good too. I ve got a ClearVue 1800 (5hp DC); I made a downdraft table (plywood box with a 4” connection for a dust hose and a pegboard top) – I attach a 4” to the downdraft table and a 1.5”(?) to the sander, and it works great. I recently picked up a Dylos to see where I m making my dust, and I ve found very little dust in the air when sanding. I actually stopped wearing a respirator when I send now.

I ve also learned I should wear a respirator when I sweep up; wow, does that kick up some dust.

- jmos


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Desert_Woodworker

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#25 posted 09-14-2017 04:06 PM



Going to be doing a lot of sanding in my house soon …

Go with the Festool-
Less fatigue from vibration and you can purchase the 9 hole pads from Klingspoor
Try it for 30 days and if you do not like it- return it. I couldn’t believe the difference so I kept mine.
You only live once…..

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#26 posted 09-14-2017 08:47 PM

I have beaten the bejesus out of my DeWalt ROS. Hooks up really well to my shop vac and has excellent dust collection.

I just re-sanded a dinner table in our home without any noticeable dust. I’ve had it for what seems like at least 10 years, it’s been great.

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#27 posted 09-14-2017 08:48 PM

Mine isn’t even variable speed! :)

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#28 posted 09-14-2017 10:54 PM



If you REALLY want to bump up the efficiency of that sanding table, install posts on all four sides. Mine has adjustable posts over which I threw a sheet of nylon I had and it forces all the air to be drawn only from the front, where you re working.

I added short sides from some PVC wall covering to the sides and back so things wouldn t fall off (hey, it s a horizontal surface, so one more storage area).

With my little 3hp (4”) hooked to it, I can sand things near the front of it and see the dust being pulled back into the table.

I ve got the lower profile PC, and it s worked great for years. The dust collection is good too. I ve got a ClearVue 1800 (5hp DC); I made a downdraft table (plywood box with a 4” connection for a dust hose and a pegboard top) – I attach a 4” to the downdraft table and a 1.5”(?) to the sander, and it works great. I recently picked up a Dylos to see where I m making my dust, and I ve found very little dust in the air when sanding. I actually stopped wearing a respirator when I send now.

I ve also learned I should wear a respirator when I sweep up; wow, does that kick up some dust.

- jmos

- Kelly

I’m going to be redesigning my downdraft table and I like that idea. One thing I’m thinking of doing though is placing a small fan on one side and some kind of air cleaner on the other side so anything that doesn’t get pulled down, gets directed off to the side and gets filtered from the air.

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#29 posted 09-15-2017 04:39 AM

I have the Bosch ROS20VSC and love it, very smooth, and when hooked up to a vac there is zero dust

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