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How safe is Sawstop?

by MrRon
posted 08-17-2017 05:27 PM


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unbob

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#151 posted 08-22-2017 02:29 AM

Stumpy, so weak, so helpless, you act like you cant even change a tire on a car.
There are other ways of looking at equipment instead of having to spend the big money on the new stuff from china or where ever. Its true, some mechanical ability is required.
I though your comments about my $600 planer were off, and shows that you know nothing about American industrial machines.
I tend to think you are disrespectful to us that just cant but new. Oh ya! SawSlop came out with contractors model for us poor folk.

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MrUnix

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#152 posted 08-22-2017 02:44 AM

you act like you cant even change a tire on a car.
- unbob

Not to be pedantic, but while I can change a tire, I prefer to call AAA and let them do it :) I got it, might as well use it. But more to the point, lots of folks don’t like working on machinery or doing their own repairs… my son is that way and it drives me nuts (funny enough, my daughter is the exact opposite!). I look at it as trying to get the most bang for the buck… for example, while I certainly can afford to pay someone to do a brake job on my car, I would much rather just spend $20 for the pads and do it myself (it’s just a 15 minute job). First, I know that the job is done right… and secondly, I would much rather spend the extra $100 or so I saved on a bottle of tequilla, mariachi band and a couple of hookers :)

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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000

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#153 posted 08-22-2017 02:47 AM


I would much rather spend the extra $100 or so saved on a bottle of tequilla, mariachi band and a couple of hookers :)

Cheers,
Brad

- MrUnix

hmm, dem der must be sum cheap hookers…. :>/ you find them used on craigslist, hahahahah

(I crack myself up)

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AlaskaGuy

5414 posts in 2844 days


#154 posted 08-22-2017 02:48 AM



Oh my – I was going to post something about my Sawstop, but this thread is starting to sound like dinner with my relatives. Gonna take a pass….

- Sandra


Wow, I get along great with my relatives. Sorry to here you can’t get alone with yours.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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ColonelTravis

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#155 posted 08-22-2017 02:49 AM


I tend to think you are disrespectful to us that just cant but new.
- unbob

Huh? Stumpy, like Matthias Wandel, is the freaking MacGyver of woodworking tools. Do you seriously not understand who you’re talking to?

unbob – look in the disrespectful mirror.

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AlaskaGuy

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#156 posted 08-22-2017 03:19 AM

Matthias Wandel….... that reminds me…....Matt cuts finger on table saw

https://youtu.be/kIfuViyki0Q

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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JADobson

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#157 posted 08-22-2017 03:51 AM


I tend to think you are disrespectful to us that just cant but new.
- unbob

Huh? Stumpy, like Matthias Wandel, is the freaking MacGyver of woodworking tools. Do you seriously not understand who you re talking to?

unbob – look in the disrespectful mirror.

- ColonelTravis

+1

Still waiting for knockknock to recover from the KO delivered by Stumpy :)

-- No craft is very far from the line beyond which is magic. -- Lord Dunsany — Instagram @grailwoodworks

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clin

1070 posts in 1531 days


#158 posted 08-22-2017 03:53 AM


Q: How safe is a sawstop?
A: I bought this big lathe for almost nothin!

- ColonelTravis

Thanks Colonel, that literally made me LOL.

-- Clin

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bandit571

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#159 posted 08-22-2017 04:07 AM

Been about as entertaining as Kindergarten Recess antics….

I’ll keep MY “Saw-Stop” as is, thank you very much..

Have fun with the usual hijinks …...

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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edapp

316 posts in 1964 days


#160 posted 08-22-2017 12:23 PM



Matthias Wandel….... that reminds me…....Matt cuts finger on table saw

https://youtu.be/kIfuViyki0Q

- AlaskaGuy

Huh… I wonder if anyone would describe Matthias as anything other than safe, meticulous, experienced.

Not sure how cheap other tools are really got into the argument. I replaced my bargain CL tablesaw with a SS because i could afford to. Thats it. No need to justify it to anyone. Good purchase for me, would not suggest it to ANYONE that cannot afford it (similar to any other luxury purchase. Dont buy a car new if you cant afford to…. etc). The used market has its place in life for everyone.

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gargey

1013 posts in 1310 days


#161 posted 08-22-2017 01:07 PM

It really is quite silly to use atypically low “great find” prices as the benchmark for anything. The clearing price where there actually is liquidity (buying or selling transactions can be made without undue delay) makes much more sense.

Otherwise, you’re baking in the expectation that one should wait and wait some unknown amount of time until a poor uninformed seller materializes to be taken advantage of. Why impute that burden onto someone else?

There is nothing more precious than time. – Steve Jobs

I gotta go to the bathroom. – Gargey

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Cricket

2665 posts in 2127 days


#162 posted 08-22-2017 01:31 PM

Gentle Reminder…
http://lumberjocks.com/CricketWalker/blog/42535

In this community members are expected to treat each other with respect at all times.

There will always be disagreements and fusses between members. It is simply human nature. We truly encourage members to discuss and openly share their thoughts on a topic. It is how we all learn and life would be pretty boring if we all felt the same way.

That being said, this is not grade school. We don’t gang up in little groups to take sides or encourage others to do the same.

If you were at a local get together and got into a disagreement with someone, I am guessing you would take it outside instead of ruining the party for everyone. I expect the same here.

If you are not able to discuss a topic respectfully then you need to remove yourself from the topic. If you are unable to discuss a topic with a specific member then you need to choose to ignore that member or take the discussion off the boards. If you are unable to do either of these things, I will help you to do so.

- Cricket

-- LumberJocks.com Community Manager

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Mainiac Matt

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#163 posted 08-22-2017 01:46 PM

I believe an objective analysis would find more TS injuries caused by kick back than direct contact with the blade. However, kickback injuries are most often less severe.

That said, SS also has a very nice riving knife, fence and blade guard set up…. The riving knife and fence (if properly aligned) will help prevent kickback. And since the blade guard is very functional, it is less likely that the operator will remove it.

For the traditional TS configuration, SS is the safest thing out there….

For larger scale commercial shops that can afford it, the traditional TS is usually replaced by a “beam saw” (also called a panel saw) for cutting panels to size and the operator is no where near the shrouded blade and the panels are mechanically gripped and positioned. For ripping lumber, commercial shops will either use a “gang rip saw” with the blade overhead and track feed underneath, or a TS set up with a power feeder. Both of these arrangements keep the operator well clear of the blade and feed the stock without human hands.

-- Matt -- I yam what I yam and that's all what I yam

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RobS888

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#164 posted 08-22-2017 01:57 PM



I believe an objective analysis would find more TS injuries caused by kick back than direct contact with the blade. However, kickback injuries are most often less severe.

That said, SS also has a very nice riving knife, fence and blade guard set up…. The riving knife and fence (if properly aligned) will help prevent kickback. And since the blade guard is very functional, it is less likely that the operator will remove it.

For the traditional TS configuration, SS is the safest thing out there….

For larger scale commercial shops that can afford it, the traditional TS is usually replaced by a “beam saw” (also called a panel saw) for cutting panels to size and the operator is no where near the shrouded blade and the panels are mechanically gripped and positioned. For ripping lumber, commercial shops will either use a “gang rip saw” with the blade overhead and track feed under neath, or a TS set up with a power feeder. Both of these arrangements keep the operator well clear of the blade and feed the stock without human hands.

- Mainiac Matt

Yup, SS makes it easy to use the riving knife or blade guard, the anti-kick back pawls are pretty easy to use as well, they can be locked up out of the path if needed. It is far better than my POS R4512. When trimming rough sawn lumber I sometimes have long tapered pieces that start to push on the left pawl. On the SS I can reach over and click it up, on my Ridgid I had to hold it up until it cleared it. Not Safe.

-- I always knew gun nuts where afraid of something, just never thought popcorn was on the list.

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MikeDilday

259 posts in 994 days


#165 posted 08-22-2017 02:07 PM

I believe it is reliable enough to decrease my risks to an acceptable level. I own the Professional Cabinet Saw and besides the safety it is one great saw.

-- Michael Dilday, Suffolk, Va.

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HorizontalMike

7802 posts in 3449 days


#166 posted 08-22-2017 03:47 PM

GEEZ! I swear that yesterday’s Total Eclipse caused this tread to self destruct! And BESIDES THAT, I bet it is also those aliens’ fault on Planet “X”, at 3 o-clock in the image, and the fact that Planet “X” can only be seen during an eclipse!...

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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Fred Hargis

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#167 posted 08-22-2017 03:55 PM

I have to admit, after reading 100s of SS threads that went off the rails, this one has to be in the top 5 for how far off the rails. There will come a day when we can mention SS and not get sidetracked by, well, sidetracked.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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MrRon

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#168 posted 08-22-2017 04:18 PM

Wow! This thread really went sideways. I’m sorry I brought it up. I promise I will never mention the S word again. Reminds me of the on-going battle between the President and the media.

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Planeman40

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#169 posted 08-22-2017 04:45 PM

I mounted casters directly to my saw using bolts. I used these Harbor
Freight casters rated at 350 lbs (https://www.harborfreight.com/5-in-rubber-heavy-duty-swivel-caster-61846.html) which are a LOT cheaper than many other equivalent casters. My saw is a Hammer K3 winner 48×48 that weighs 800 lbs. It rolls nicely but is heavy requiring a hefty nudge with the hip to get it moving. No locks needed. I used an auto jack to tilt it up enough to crawl beneath it to drill the bolt holes and carefully blocked it up using pieces of 6×6 wood for safety. Kept a friend standing by.

-- Always remember: It is a mathematical certainty that half the people in this country are below average in intelligence!

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AlaskaGuy

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#170 posted 08-22-2017 05:02 PM


Wow! This thread really went sideways. I m sorry I brought it up. I promise I will never mention the S word again. Reminds me of the on-going battle between the President and the media.

- MrRon

I’ve been wondering why you brought it up in the first place since you have no intentions of buying one.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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RobS888

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#171 posted 08-22-2017 06:16 PM



Wow! This thread really went sideways. I m sorry I brought it up. I promise I will never mention the S word again. Reminds me of the on-going battle between the President and the media.

- MrRon


I won’t take that bait!

-- I always knew gun nuts where afraid of something, just never thought popcorn was on the list.

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Gilley23

489 posts in 917 days


#172 posted 08-22-2017 06:16 PM

You, Sir, are a complete troll with nothing better to do with your time than to stir the pot in a failed self-serving attempt to boost yourself up. You and the like are the reason that so many good people leave fine forums such as these, to get away from the arrogance and high school drama.

Bless your heart.

Stumpy, so weak, so helpless, you act like you cant even change a tire on a car. There are other ways of looking at equipment instead of having to spend the big money on the new stuff from china or where ever. Its true, some mechanical ability is required. I though your comments about my $600 planer were off, and shows that you know nothing about American industrial machines. I tend to think you are disrespectful to us that just cant but new. Oh ya! SawSlop came out with contractors model for us poor folk.

- unbob


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TaySC

270 posts in 868 days


#173 posted 08-22-2017 09:22 PM

I can only speak for myself, but I didn’t get into woodworking to refurbish old tools. That’s fine for those that are inclined to do so, but I’ll save up and buy new after I have decided what I want.

While this thread has had its detractors, I can honestly say that it has swayed me from not wanting to get a SS to thinking I will save up and get one in the next year. My initial reluctance is that I didn’t want to buy an expensive SS JUST for the safety feature. I wanted a solid TS and I’ve now come to the conclusion that I can have both, so why not?

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Cricket

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#174 posted 08-22-2017 09:45 PM

Sighs…

This thread is closed.

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This topic is closed.

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