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Help ID'ing this wood

by Jack Lewis
posted 08-06-2017 01:17 AM


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#1 posted 08-06-2017 01:25 AM

Looks like walnut to me

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#2 posted 08-06-2017 01:29 AM

Not walnut, at least not from the leaves pictured.

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#3 posted 08-06-2017 01:40 AM

If I didn’t see the leaves I would have sworn it was mesquite.

Just quickly looking could it be Arizona walnut? I can’t tell from the leaves though if they are clustered or are they spread out along the branches. They look about the right shape though.

Nusnstubs might be able to verify whether that is or not. I’m not familiar with the higher elevation trees in AZ as well as he is. He makes trips up north for wood I believe.

When you come by, bring a piece with you. I’d like to check it out.

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#4 posted 08-06-2017 01:49 AM

I don’t know much about mesquite, but I’ve been in Phoenix for the last week and have seen a lot of them down from a storm. The leaves you showed are not mesquite, but the tree pictured at the top doesn’t appear to have the same leaves. It looks more like the little bitty leaves that mesquite has.

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#5 posted 08-06-2017 02:12 AM

My vote is for ironwood. If it were blooming I’d know for sure. We have tons of them around here.

This link is from an Iowa forestry site, but a tree’s a tree. https://www.extension.iastate.edu/forestry/iowa_trees/trees/ironwood.html

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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#6 posted 08-07-2017 04:09 PM

Haven’t lived in Phoenix for almost 50 years, but I’m betting it’s iron wood. Looks just like the pieces I’ve been carrying around with me for almost that long. Beautiful grain. Just look at some of the Native American carvings you can find in the art stores around you. However, it’s harder than %#$&! If you are turning it, use SHARP tools and be prepared to sharpen them every 10 or 15 seconds of turning.

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#7 posted 08-07-2017 04:23 PM

Trees Native to Arizona (between 4,500 feet and 6,000 feet)

boxelder maple ( Acer negundo )
water birch ( Betula occidentalis )
netleaf hackberry ( Celtis laevigata var. reticulate )
western redbud ( Cercis orbiculata )
Arizona cypress ( Cupressus arizonica )
singleleaf ash ( Fraxinus anomala )
Arizona ash ( Fraxinus velutina )
Arizona walnut ( Juglans major )
alligator juniper ( Juniperus deppeana )
one-seed juniper ( Juniperus monosperma )
pinyon pine ( Pinus edulis )
Arizona sycamore ( Platanus wrightii )
Fremont cottonwood ( Populus fremontii )
chokecherry ( Prunus virginiana )
Emory oak ( Quercus emoryi )
Gambel oak ( Quercus gambelii )
shrub live oak ( Quercus turbinella )
Goodding’s willow ( Salix gooddingii )

trees native to AZ above 6,000ft
boxelder ( Acer negundo )
alligator juniper ( Juniperus deppeana )
Rocky Mountain juniper ( Juniperus scopulorum )
blue spruce ( Picea pungens )
pinyon pine ( Pinus edulis )
ponderosa pine ( Pinus ponderosa )
narrowleaf cottonwood ( Populus angustifolia )
chokecherry ( Prunus virginiana )
Gambel oak ( Quercus gambelii )
black locust ( Robinia pseudoacacia )
white fir ( Abies concolor )
flowering crabapple ( Malus sp. )
quaking aspen ( Populus tremuloides )
New Mexico locust (Robinia neomexicana)

https://dffm.az.gov/forestry-community-forestry/urban-community-forestry/tree-care

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#8 posted 08-07-2017 04:46 PM


Trees Native to Arizona (between 4,500 feet and 6,000 feet)

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- tomsteve

Well, that definitely narrows it down :)

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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#9 posted 08-07-2017 04:54 PM

Hackberry ?

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#10 posted 08-07-2017 04:57 PM

Trees Native to Arizona (between 4,500 feet and 6,000 feet)

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- tomsteve

Well, that definitely narrows it down :)

- RichTaylor

youre welcome. LOLOLOL
clocking on one of the trees takes ya to this pdf
https://dffm.az.gov/sites/default/files/files/forestry/ucf/azutm/AZUTM_tree_guide_north_2015_04_28.pdf#page=81

pretty informative

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#11 posted 08-07-2017 05:14 PM

Texas Ebony

-- Aj

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#12 posted 08-07-2017 05:17 PM

If it is Ironwood, you will have fun practicing your tool sharpening skills. That stuff is a nightmare on tools.

BTW, I just vowed not to speculate on tree species ever again based on my incorrect comments on another thread, HOWEVER, I made some knife handles a long time ago with wood that looked just like that and they called it Ironwood. (Might as well been Ebony, for as hard as it was)

Just sayin’...

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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#13 posted 08-07-2017 06:03 PM



Hackberry ?

- Jimbo4

Not unless people in AZ use the same name for an altogether different tree than the hackberry we have in TX.

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#14 posted 08-07-2017 06:28 PM


Looks like walnut to me

- JayCop

My guess is Giant Sequoia.

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#15 posted 08-07-2017 08:01 PM

It does look like ironwood from the cut but the leaves are completely wrong.

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#16 posted 08-07-2017 08:39 PM

+1 to AZWoody

The leaves in Pic 1 look right, but Pic 3 leaves don’t look like they are the same.
Maybe the tree fell on the bushes and that’s where those leaves came from?

If you start cutting it, you will know if it is Ironwood.
I notice that in Pic 2, the chainsaw didn’t quite make it halfway through before the guy gave up and tried from the other side, then had to break the middle section rather than keep cutting, (Ironwood is just like that).

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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#17 posted 08-08-2017 09:25 PM

i think the cuts are more of how cuts are made and not because the guy gave up. notch one side then cut from the other leaving a hinge. cut through the hinge and complete loss of control on where the tree will fall.
and on branches, cuts are usually 1st made on the bottom first to keep the bark from tearing off the tree.

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#18 posted 08-08-2017 09:49 PM



i think the cuts are more of how cuts are made and not because the guy gave up. notch one side then cut from the other leaving a hinge. cut through the hinge and complete loss of control on where the tree will fall.
and on branches, cuts are usually 1st made on the bottom first to keep the bark from tearing off the tree.

- tomsteve

Yep, it could be that.

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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#19 posted 08-09-2017 06:29 AM



Texas Ebony

- Aj2


+1 although that’s pretty high up if it’s northwestern AZ for Texas Ebony but stranger things have happened for sure. That’s what it looks like to me. It’s in the ironwood family but I don’t think it sinks like ironwood but it’s heavier than mesquite so not sure Jack if it’s heavy cause it’s wet or heavy cause it’s texas Ebony.

FYI, those leaves are either really small and the pic is up very close or those trees in the first pic aren’t the same as where those leaves came from.

With that said, I suggest making new lathe tool handles with that lot Jack. The stuff is amazing.

-- Dave - http://kelleycrafts.com/ - pen blanks - knife scales - turning tools

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