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Toughest hardwood floor finish??

by Spacehog
posted 08-04-2017 03:20 PM


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AlaskaGuy

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#1 posted 08-04-2017 03:39 PM

FWIW

No personal experience with that product but I have seen lots and lots of recommendations for that finish and never ran across any negatives on it.

Also I’d research Glitiza floor finish.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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Firewood

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#2 posted 08-04-2017 03:49 PM

I have no eperienxe with that one either. I’ve heard lots about waterlox for floors. It goes on as a wipe on and will require more coats than other products though.

You didn’t mention too much about the new home, but make sure to pull back enough of the carpet to be sure the hardwood floor isn’t just bordering the room. They used to do that to save money. It allowed the appearance of a hardwood floor under a large area rug.

-- Mike - Waukesha, WI

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Hammerthumb

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#3 posted 08-04-2017 04:33 PM

If you want a durable finish and low VOC, any of the catalyzed watebourn urethane finishes would be my choice. Bona Kemi Traffic, or Dura Seal Xterra are really good finishes. 90% cure within 72 hrs (oil modified will take a month). These waterbourn finishes have higher taber abrasion resistance than the oil modifieds with 1/2 the film thickness.

Contact you nearest hardwood flooring distributor for more information. I would not recommend furniture finishes, or box store finishes, even if they are specified for floor application.

-- Paul, Duvall, WA

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Spacehog

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#4 posted 08-04-2017 05:13 PM

Well regarding the house, it for sure has hardwood floors throughout the house. The rooms I am doing have carpet on top of hardwood floors according to our house inspector. I will see if I can find some of the products mentioned here. Thanks!

-- Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might...

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RobS888

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#5 posted 08-04-2017 05:23 PM

We used Varathane low voc for a finished attic. It dries really fast, we did 3 coats in about 12 hours. We have 2 100lb dogs and a few cats and it has held up well. My wife’s office is up there, so it sees a lot of traffic.

-- I always knew gun nuts where afraid of something, just never thought popcorn was on the list.

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Spacehog

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#6 posted 08-04-2017 05:28 PM

I’m sure that there are good low VOC products out there, and I’m sure Varathane is suitable in some cases. But I am curious to know which products are toughest, not which products have worked out alright. I am trying to avoid having to do the floors again for as long as possible, so if there is some sort of commercial grade finish, that is what interests me. I don’t really care if the VOC’s are pure toxic poison, I just want the finish to be tough when it dries.

-- Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might...

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Aj2

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#7 posted 08-04-2017 05:33 PM

The same rules apply for floor finishes the higher the solids the harder.Thats conversion varnishes are the top of the heap for tables but they have to be sprayed.
The hardest most durable floor finish has to be a oxide finish the kind that comes on a prefinished factory flooring.
So maybe you can work your search down form there.
I have a good friend that been a floor guy fro many years and we’ve had this conversation several times.
He says the zero Voc finishes are very good easy to repair and don’t show scratches and scuffs.
Rubio monocoat is one but I do know there are others.
Good luck looking for your unicorn :)

-- Aj

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Fred Hargis

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#8 posted 08-04-2017 05:58 PM

Hammerthumb mentioned it: you want a catalyzed finish. The Bona HD appears to be a waterborne catalyzed finish and may well suit your needs. Since it’s a waterborne it may have a different look (no or little amber caste to the color) and you might not like that. But it should be a very durable finish. A waterborne does present some other things to consider. You didn’t mention stain (if any) and there might be (not likely) some grain raising. Neither are something that cant be overcome, but do plan for these things just in case.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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Spacehog

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#9 posted 08-04-2017 06:11 PM

I appreciate that Fred. Fortunately, I’ve got some experience with the actual application of the finishes from when I used to work for a contractor that did floors. But when I worked there, I was always provided a finish to use, and I never bothered to learn what the finishes were, or why they were being used. I think I’ve got a good idea of what to go with though because of advice I received here, so thanks!

-- Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might...

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Hammerthumb

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#10 posted 08-04-2017 07:15 PM

Both finishes I mentioned above are commercial finishes. They are both used throughout casinos here in Las Vegas.

-- Paul, Duvall, WA

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Gilley23

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#11 posted 08-04-2017 07:53 PM

Ok so my question is this: When absolute durability is required, why aren’t those finishes used on tabletops?

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Hammerthumb

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#12 posted 08-04-2017 08:04 PM

Consider the cost of Bona Traffic at about $130 gal. Would you pay that if you were just going to do a small table or box?

-- Paul, Duvall, WA

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Gilley23

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#13 posted 08-04-2017 08:11 PM

$130 for an incredibly durable finish on a beautiful table that you hand crafted taking more hours than you care to admit, is nothing IMO.

Cost aside, is there a reason not to use those finishes on the table?


Consider the cost of Bona Traffic at about $130 gal. Would you pay that if you were just going to do a small table or box?

- Hammerthumb


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Hammerthumb

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#14 posted 08-04-2017 08:21 PM

I can and do use those finishes occasionally for furniture that needs durability. One thing to consider is that the finish comes with a catalyst. Once catalyzed, the finish is only good for about an hour to do the application. After that, it is not usable. Also, these types of finishes do not catalyze well in small quantities (ie. measuring out smaller amounts of finish and catalyst).

Back to the original topic. If you want a good floor finish, call a local hardwood flooring supplier and get some information from them. I do not recommend buying a floor finish from a hardware store.

-- Paul, Duvall, WA

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000

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#15 posted 08-04-2017 08:36 PM



Consider the cost of Bona Traffic at about $130 gal. Would you pay that if you were just going to do a small table or box?

- Hammerthumb

Do you go through Virginia Hardwoods for your Bona? Just curious

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Hammerthumb

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#16 posted 08-04-2017 08:47 PM

I use to work there, so yes.

-- Paul, Duvall, WA

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000

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#17 posted 08-04-2017 09:36 PM



I use to work there, so yes.

- Hammerthumb

OK, that makes sense, lol
You may know Snodgrass? He doesn’t work there but buys a lot from them.
I do a little work for him every now and then.

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Ripper70

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#18 posted 08-04-2017 10:04 PM

My family moved into a house two and a half years ago and we had the oak floors refinished before we moved in. In that time, our floors have taken all my now, 12 year old twins have thrown at it. This includes the oak stair treads that were also refinished.

The contractor we hired used Harco Radiance OMW Semi Gloss 6201. I know this because he left half a can of it in my garage. I’m not a pro floor refinisher, but I can tell you that this stuff has worked well for us.

-- "You know, I'm such a great driver, it's incomprehensible that they took my license away." --Vince Ricardo

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JackDuren

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#19 posted 08-04-2017 10:27 PM

ZAR and will use it again.

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jonah

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#20 posted 08-04-2017 11:53 PM

Catalyzed finishes are what you want. The Bona finish is expensive, but it’s great stuff. I think I paid ~$80 a gallon when I last used it (~5 years ago).

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pontic

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#21 posted 08-05-2017 01:08 AM

I still like oil based polys they seem to be more durable to me. Catalyzed finishes have a much tighter set grouping than the traditional condensation set resins. Water as the spread vehicle does have some grain and stain problems. It is durable however.

-- Illigitimii non carburundum sum

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AandCstyle

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#22 posted 08-05-2017 09:26 PM

I used Mega Bona on stair treads last year and it still looks new. It was really easy to apply as well.

-- Art

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bold1

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#23 posted 08-05-2017 11:02 PM

Not sure of brand names, but the hardest finishes I know of for wood floors, are the poured finishes they use on roller rink floors. Don’t know if they would be worth the cost for a home floor.

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Spacehog

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#24 posted 08-07-2017 08:34 PM

Alright, I have got a good finish that I’m pretty sure will meet my needs for many years. Thanks again for all of the helpful recommendations!

-- Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might...

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AlaskaGuy

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#25 posted 08-07-2017 09:01 PM



Alright, I have got a good finish that I m pretty sure will meet my needs for many years. Thanks again for all of the helpful recommendations!

- Spacehog


You’re not going to tell us which one??

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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