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How to price this job

by stevematis
posted 07-31-2017 03:24 PM


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AlaskaGuy

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#1 posted 07-31-2017 05:08 PM

For a friend I’d charge cost of materials, and few buck to cover so overhead. Overhead being, heat, lights tool maintenance that sort of thing. For something like that I’d give my friend my labor.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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ScottM

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#2 posted 07-31-2017 05:48 PM

Tell him that it is done, come get it and bring a case of your favorite beer. When he gets there, sit around, talk, and drink a couple…

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buckbuster31

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#3 posted 07-31-2017 06:12 PM

bingo. im with the others

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Rich

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#4 posted 07-31-2017 06:17 PM

+3. Just be sure to mention your favorite beer. i did a favor for a friend once and he showed up with an 18-pack of Coors Light. Luckily I had some IPA in the fridge for me.

-- Knowledge is not skill. Knowledge plus ten thousand times is skill. -- Shinichi Suzuki

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Gilley23

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#5 posted 07-31-2017 06:20 PM

Show up with Coors Lite at my house and you’ll get a swift kick in the balls and a smack on the back of the head just because.

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Gilley23

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#6 posted 07-31-2017 06:21 PM

So let’s say this wasn’t for a friend….what would you charge?

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dhazelton

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#7 posted 07-31-2017 06:25 PM

The big question is what would you charge just a regular Joe? I try to get $30 an hour for my time plus materials and a bit for electricity and sandpaper and such (I’m sure cabinet shops charge for everything including blade wear!). By that formula you would be at $360 for labor plus materials. I understand you’re probably including time to go shopping for everything and time designing it, but charging over $400 for that is too much. Next time see if you can cut that time in half.

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TungOil

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#8 posted 07-31-2017 06:26 PM

I always used this simple formula to price jobs:

material + labor + overhead + profit = price

Estimating labor can be tricky, and is why many contractors will try to do jobs time &’materials. Takes all the risk out of it for them.

-- The optimist says "the glass is half full". The pessimist says "the glass is half empty". The engineer says "the glass is twice as big as it needs to be"

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#9 posted 07-31-2017 06:42 PM

12 hours? It better be a hell of a good friend if they’re getting 12 free hours.

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AlaskaGuy

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#10 posted 07-31-2017 07:58 PM

Gargey
I built this kitchen for a friend of mine. I didn’t even charge him for overhead. Materials only. All the door panels are book matched solid wood panels.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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Rich

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#11 posted 07-31-2017 08:24 PM



Gargey
I built this kitchen for a friend of mine. I didn t even charge him for overhead. Materials only. All the door panels are book matched solid wood panels.

- AlaskaGuy

You are obviously a very generous person with your time. I commend you for that, but how does this post help the OP?

-- Knowledge is not skill. Knowledge plus ten thousand times is skill. -- Shinichi Suzuki

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Woodknack

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#12 posted 07-31-2017 08:35 PM

“Friend” price = cost of materials. I don’t even ask for beer for the reason mentioned by Rich, well that and I would prefer whisky anyway and I don’t want to be paid with Jack Daniels. Asking them to buy materials will weed out those who really want it and those who think they can get something for nothing.

general public price = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu_qFDanGPY
This is not for people running cabinet or millwork shops, this is advice for people working from their home workshop.


+3. Just be sure to mention your favorite beer. ...
- RichTaylor

That’s a pro tip right there. I had relatives at the house that drank all my ale but did me a favor and “replaced it” with Bud Lite.

-- Rick M, http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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Rich

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#13 posted 07-31-2017 08:43 PM



“Friend” price = cost of materials. I don t even ask for beer for the reason mentioned by Rich, well that and I would prefer whisky anyway and I don t want to be paid with Jack Daniels. Asking them to buy materials will weed out those who really want it and those who think they can get something for nothing.

- Rick M

I’m liking this pricing. OK, so a close acquaintance would pay me with a bottle of Booker’s, and a friend-of-a-friend might have to pony up some barrel proof Elijah Craig.

-- Knowledge is not skill. Knowledge plus ten thousand times is skill. -- Shinichi Suzuki

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Loren

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#14 posted 07-31-2017 08:53 PM

Some small jobs, because of their complexity
of execution in relation to the intended use,
will send paying clients scrambling if quoted
fairly before-hand. I’ve learned not to do
“favor” jobs for clients, because a fair price
always makes them unhappy.

Doing something for a friend is a different
matter.

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AlaskaGuy

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#15 posted 07-31-2017 09:22 PM

Gargey
I built this kitchen for a friend of mine. I didn t even charge him for overhead. Materials only. All the door panels are book matched solid wood panels.

You are obviously a very generous person with your time. I commend you for that, but how does this post help the OP?

- RichTaylor


I can’t answer that Rich.I t wouldn’t be helping the OP. Instead of asking question that don’t help the OP next time PM me and I’ll answer.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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Rich

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#16 posted 07-31-2017 09:49 PM

I’m already past it, AG. Rick’s whiskey payment plan is where I’m at, and it benefits everyone, including the OP. After a few drinks, everything looks nicer, flaws fade into the background and those power tools are far less intimidating.†

† Pure sarcasm. Operating machinery under the influence is a bad idea — unless you have a SawStop. Then it’s totally safe.

-- Knowledge is not skill. Knowledge plus ten thousand times is skill. -- Shinichi Suzuki

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AlaskaGuy

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#17 posted 07-31-2017 10:28 PM



I m already past it, AG. Rick s whiskey payment plan is where I m at, and it benefits everyone, including the OP. After a few drinks, everything looks nicer, flaws fade into the background and those power tools are far less intimidating.†

† Pure sarcasm. Operating machinery under the influence is a bad idea — unless you have a SawStop. Then it s totally safe.

- RichTaylor


I know of a case where a guy was using his SawStop drunk. He slipped and fell forward hitting his mouth on the corner of the saw table. He lost 4 teeth.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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TravisH

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#18 posted 08-01-2017 01:22 AM

I would charge cost of materials for a friend. If I were going to buy something like I couldn’t see paying more than 125 for it to be honest.

Twelve hours seams very steep for what appears to be really straight forward build.

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stevematis

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#19 posted 08-01-2017 04:08 AM

Hi guys,thank you for the comments, I can learn all the time. I am just a hobby type wood worker with garage “shop” and using semi professional tools.
I agree dhazelton, the time is too much, the next job should be done around 6-7 hours.
Thanks the pictures of the kitchen AlaskaGuy, it is looking very good. I am not there yet.
The $125 suggestion is good TravisH, I feel this is the best I can ask from somebody.
Thanks again, I keep learning.

-- www.lignator.us

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Rich

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#20 posted 08-01-2017 04:54 AM



Thanks the pictures of the kitchen AlaskaGuy, it is looking very good. I am not there yet.

- stevematis

AG is a very talented cabinetmaker. Take a look at the bloodwood kitchen on his project page if you want to see a thing of beauty. I like to tease him, but only because I’m jealous that he’s so much more skilled than I am. All of his photos are right side up as well :)

-- Knowledge is not skill. Knowledge plus ten thousand times is skill. -- Shinichi Suzuki

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#21 posted 08-01-2017 05:22 AM

I can omly estimated the cost of it in bottles

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dhazelton

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#22 posted 08-01-2017 11:18 AM

There’s value in what you learned on that project, so it’s not like you weren’t gaining from it even if you didn’t profit from it.

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