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Nail gun

by 67flh
posted 07-23-2017 01:58 AM


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AlaskaGuy

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#1 posted 07-23-2017 02:02 AM


I want to build a simple wine rack completely out of 1X2/s . I wish to use a nail gun to put it together and would just as soon not use glue if I not have to. I know nothing about nailing guns. What would be suitable for me to use in constructing the rack? Is there a size fits all nailer for the job? Thanks!!

http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u662/iowashovel/Winerack2_zps7hmhvsdf.jpg

- 67flh

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67flh

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#2 posted 07-23-2017 02:07 AM

Had not heard this, thanks!!

I want to build a simple wine rack completely out of 1X2/s . I wish to use a nail gun to put it together and would just as soon not use glue if I not have to. I know nothing about nailing guns. What would be suitable for me to use in constructing the rack? Is there a size fits all nailer for the job? Thanks!!

http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u662/iowashovel/Winerack2_zps7hmhvsdf.jpg

- 67flh
Haven t you heard, you can no longer post picture here using PB? Oh, BYW it s PB fault not this sites fault.

- AlaskaGuy


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AlaskaGuy

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#3 posted 07-23-2017 03:17 AM


Had not heard this, thanks!!

I want to build a simple wine rack completely out of 1X2/s . I wish to use a nail gun to put it together and would just as soon not use glue if I not have to. I know nothing about nailing guns. What would be suitable for me to use in constructing the rack? Is there a size fits all nailer for the job? Thanks!!

http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u662/iowashovel/Winerack2_zps7hmhvsdf.jpg

- 67flh
Haven t you heard, you can no longer post picture here using PB? Oh, BYW it s PB fault not this sites fault.

- AlaskaGuy

- 67flh


That link shows the exact same thing as the picture in your first post.

It’s actually easier to post straight from your computer to here.

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Slider20

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#4 posted 07-23-2017 03:42 AM

Unless you are using a heavy duty nailer like a 16 gauge and use a few nails for each joint, it won’t have that much long term strength.

I use nails more as a clamp until the glue dries, and I try and use the smallest nails that will hold, so I don’t have to fill the holes afterwards with wood filler, usually I can get away with a 23 gauge pin nailer.

A large nail will look ugly and not be as strong as glue. Depends what you want out of the project, how not feeling you want it to look and how long you would like it to last.

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Rich

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#5 posted 07-23-2017 03:53 AM

It’s a shame the photo link failed, since without seeing what you are intending to build it’s pretty much impossible to give advice.

Ignorance has never stopped me from offering my opinion though, so I’d say that a wine rack made from nailed 1×2s shouldn’t be more than one tier. I’d also recommend a high-density foam base so when it collapses, the bottles don’t break.

Seriously though, try to get a photo up. There are those magical self-supporting-and-tightening joint systems that don’t even require glue or nails to stay together, so it can be done for sure.

-- Knowledge is not skill. Knowledge plus ten thousand times is skill. -- Shinichi Suzuki

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Loren

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#6 posted 07-23-2017 04:43 AM

I think narrow crown staples are versatile
and strong for banging stuff together,
but anything nailed or stapled is apt
to be shaky if it doesn’t have a back
nailed on.

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playingwithmywood

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#7 posted 07-23-2017 04:55 AM

a drill and dowels and glue problem solved

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67flh

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#8 posted 07-23-2017 12:54 PM

Thanks for all the replies, this is what I wish to build, nothing fancy just practical, will more than likely be doing a lot of gluing.

-- Brad

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67flh

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#9 posted 07-23-2017 01:17 PM

That makes sense, nails instead of clamps while glue dries. So if my thickness is 1 1/2” use a 1 1/4” brad?


Unless you are using a heavy duty nailer like a 16 gauge and use a few nails for each joint, it won t have that much long term strength.

I use nails more as a clamp until the glue dries, and I try and use the smallest nails that will hold, so I don t have to fill the holes afterwards with wood filler, usually I can get away with a 23 gauge pin nailer.

A large nail will look ugly and not be as strong as glue. Depends what you want out of the project, how not feeling you want it to look and how long you would like it to last.

- Slider20

-- Brad

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Kazooman

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#10 posted 07-23-2017 02:59 PM

Nice looking rack. Do not underestimate the total weight of all those bottles and the stress it will place on the structure. Just imagine the rack “racking”, that is starting to deform to the side. The farther it gets out of square, the more the stress on the joints. Nails alone won’t do it and I would even have some concerns about the choice of wood. From the picture it looks like that have dowelled the joints. That is not just for looks, it is what gives the rack its strength.

That rack holds almost ten cases of wine. Calculate the value of that investment and decide if you want to take any shortcuts in building the rack. Your investment in some hardwood and even the time to run the dowels might be very good insurance.

If it were mine, I would find some way to attach it to the wall to prevent the racking issues and/or having it fall over forwards.

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#11 posted 07-23-2017 03:04 PM

With the weight that rack has to hold you would be ahead clamping the glue joints instead of nailing. Nails don’t clamp as tight as clamps do and give you a weaker joint. I do use a pin nailer at time to hold glue joints while curing, When I need full strength in the joint I clamp.

-- Bruce, Boise, ID

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eflanders

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#12 posted 07-23-2017 03:31 PM

If you look at the picture posted, you will see they used dowels or screws with wood caps to hold it together. Given the weight involved you may want to do the same.

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#13 posted 07-23-2017 04:15 PM

I came to the right place, thanks to all who have replied. I am not interested in shortcuts and want it to be plenty strong. I have no dimensions for the rack but in doing a simple layout per the picture it is not even 30” wide, I am only going up 7 levels or 56 bottles of wine. I would think that in this case less would be better. I am building this for a friend and it will be placed in her basement so no one will see it, thus the functional vs. the fancy.

-- Brad

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AlaskaGuy

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#14 posted 07-23-2017 04:18 PM

Scroll down the page

http://mapabloggers.blogspot.com/2012/10/blog-post_5888.html

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#15 posted 07-23-2017 04:24 PM

If you don’t want to take short cuts why skip the glue? I don’t get that. Glue is your friend. Any if you use no glue and some kind of nails or staples Id make sure I attached this thing to the wall to give some rigidity.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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#16 posted 07-23-2017 04:26 PM

I like the looks of the rack, but I would definitely tie it back to a wall. It looks too easy to tumble or sway.

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67flh

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#17 posted 07-23-2017 04:32 PM

AlaskaGuy, I hope you do not think I will not be using glue because I will, also gonna use dowels.

-- Brad

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67flh

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#18 posted 07-23-2017 04:41 PM



Scroll down the page

http://mapabloggers.blogspot.com/2012/10/blog-post_5888.html

- AlaskaGuy

Great Thanks!! Google translated it for me. the 1X3’s on the end should add some stability.

-- Brad

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AlaskaGuy

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#19 posted 07-23-2017 05:12 PM

67
Google translated it for me. How does that work?

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67flh

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#20 posted 07-23-2017 05:35 PM

When I brought the page up a Google box opened up automatically asking me if I wanted it translated I checked yes and it did it. It was a first for me. I do appreciate your suggestions.
67
Google translated it for me. How does that work?

- AlaskaGuy

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AlaskaGuy

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#21 posted 07-23-2017 06:58 PM



When I brought the page up a Google box opened up automatically asking me if I wanted it translated I checked yes and it did it. It was a first for me. I do appreciate your suggestions.
67
Google translated it for me. How does that work?

- AlaskaGuy
Thanks, I’m either I’m blind or I don’t get the Google box.

- 67flh


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ocean

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#22 posted 07-23-2017 07:06 PM

The rack you pictured would weight in at around 300 lbs. Yours will weight half of that. Use glue (titebond II) and throw in some screws just as is pictured to hold the racks to the uprights. Better safe than sorry.

-- Bob, FL Keys

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000

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#23 posted 07-23-2017 07:52 PM

Dado your cross members in and it will be stronger.

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Kazooman

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#24 posted 07-23-2017 09:38 PM

I agree that dados would generally be stronger, but perhaps not if cut into the designated 1×2’s. Jbay’s picture looks great and it offers the suggestion that the corner posts should probably be a bit beefier than 1×2. Perhaps 2×2 for the posts with dados for the support pieces. Even 1 1/2×1 1/2 with dados would be better. Actually, sliding dovetails would lock the joints together nicely!

By the time we are done with the suggestions, the OP will have a rack that could hold bottles of wine or ingots of gold.

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AlaskaGuy

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#25 posted 07-23-2017 10:00 PM

Change those dados into dovetails …....It will never spread apart. Before we are done designing this you have a nice piece of heirloom furniture. Your friend will think you’re an amazing wood worker and shower you with money :)

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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