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Router bits?

by alittleoff
posted 07-19-2017 02:47 PM


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Bill White

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#1 posted 07-19-2017 03:00 PM

I don’t buy sets. Just buy what I need.
MLCS has some good bits.
Bill

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#2 posted 07-19-2017 03:14 PM

Read this post by the inimitable knotscott. The answer to your question lies within:

Strategies For Choosing Router Bits

-- "You know, I'm such a great driver, it's incomprehensible that they took my license away." --Vince Ricardo

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#3 posted 07-19-2017 03:16 PM

Here is a picture of the set.

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#4 posted 07-19-2017 03:18 PM

The only type of bit I recommend buying
a set of is roundover bits. You’ll use
those. In those big sets you won’t ever
use most of the bits.

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#5 posted 07-19-2017 05:17 PM

I don’t want to read a book on router bits or to know what type to buy, just are MCLS Bits any good. I know what type I want.
Thanks

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#6 posted 07-19-2017 06:19 PM

I am a CNC router user and I go through a lot of bits. I have tried MLCS and Eagle America (same company) router bits and they are decidedly inferior to Whiteside or Freud. They don’t cut as well when new and they don’t last as long as either of these brands, in my experience. I am sure there are other good brands but these are usually the ones I use.

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#7 posted 07-19-2017 06:31 PM

If you want a short answer…

Skip the set. Buy the bits you need from Whiteside (i get mine on amazon).

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#8 posted 07-19-2017 07:42 PM

If you’re going to buy a set, buy a small set of the most common basic profiles, so you’re not spending big money on low quality bits, many of which will be near duplicates or bits you’re not likely to use. For less money you can buy a great quality set of basic Whiteside or Infinity bits, then add specialty profiles as needed. Assuming your router accepts them, buy 1/2” shank bits whenever feasible.

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#9 posted 07-19-2017 09:07 PM

You might check this-
http://www.routerforums.com/router-bits-types-usage/107929-mlcs-router-bit-quality.html

-- Lew- Time traveler. Purveyor of the Universe's finest custom rolling pins.

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#10 posted 07-19-2017 09:16 PM

I have a set like that – in 1/2 inch shanks and it is fine. It was a gift.

I only use a handful of them I still found I needed to get some spiral upcut bits in 1/4 and some top bearing pattern bits, to do template stuff making recessed pockets. So the bearing would follow the mdf pattern to make a mortise in a table top for legs.

-- “The two most important days in your life are the day you are born and the day you find out why.” Mark Twain

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#11 posted 07-19-2017 09:40 PM

Generally, I’ve never heard anything good about those “all-in-one” router bit sets. They burn up pretty quickly. As others have said just purchase them as you need them. Looking at the picture you posted

I’ve always had good luck with Freud and Whiteside. If you don’t have any decent router bits and are looking to retool, KnotScott recommended a really good set to have. Another great set would be a roundover set from Whiteside—purchasing the set will save you a ton of money verse buying them individually.

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#12 posted 07-19-2017 09:41 PM

One difference is you will have options most won’t because you will already have the bits.

Looking at the set, I have used most of the bits pictured this year. If you want options it looks reasonable to me for the price.

As far a 1/4 shaft…....Only if I have too on small bits…

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#13 posted 07-19-2017 09:51 PM

$2.65/router bit…...you get what you pay for.

-- It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. Aristotle

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#14 posted 07-19-2017 11:18 PM


$2.65/router bit…...you get what you pay for.

- Tony_S

Not always. The bearings cost that…

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#15 posted 07-19-2017 11:22 PM


Generally, I ve never heard anything good about those “all-in-one” router bit sets. They burn up pretty quickly. As others have said just purchase them as you need them. Looking at the picture you posted

I ve always had good luck with Freud and Whiteside. If you don t have any decent router bits and are looking to retool, KnotScott recommended a really good set to have. Another great set would be a roundover set from Whiteside—purchasing the set will save you a ton of money verse buying them individually.

- DanceParty

When I started there was only Craftsman brand. I have China made bits that work fine for here and there. If you use a bit a lot I would move up to something better than Freud or whiteside…

I always here”you can never have enough clamps”, But you can. Having enough router bits, now that’s can be a problem…

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#16 posted 07-20-2017 12:57 AM

There was never a time when Craftsman was the only brand. That is just your perception. Most professional or highly skilled hobby woodworkers on this and many other woodworking forums I read recommend Whiteside as the best quality and best value available. Just do a search and see what what you find. Every woodworking magazine bit comparison test I have ever seen rates Whiteside as the best general purpose brand available. I use Freud and Whiteside because I have tried them on my CNC router and they are sharp and last a long time. Sometimes, I run router bits continuously for several hours. Doing that, you find out pretty quickly which brands are good and which aren’t.

I’m always looking for good advice because I go through a lot of bits.. What do you consider a premium bit brand?

When I started there was only Craftsman brand. I have China made bits that work fine for here and there. If you use a bit a lot I would move up to something better than Freud or whiteside…

I always here”you can never have enough clamps”, But you can. Having enough router bits, now that s can be a problem…

- JackDuren


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#17 posted 07-20-2017 01:10 AM

For the hobbyist it was. That’s where I went till I found out different.

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#18 posted 07-20-2017 01:15 AM

As far as whiteside. We only use Amana professionally. As far as the Morbidelli I could not tell you what they are buying at this time…

I compared Freud to Amana many years ago on Woodnet and Freud failed 2-1.

If your saying Freud and Whiteside are the same then I won’t need to look at whirteside at all.

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#19 posted 07-20-2017 03:12 AM

I buy Freud because it is available locally and is better than other local brands. I prefer Whiteside but they take a couple of days to order. Freud is far, far better than the bargain Chinese brands like Grizzly or MLCS. I recently bought a package of 5 1/4 inch 90 degree V bits from MLCS just as an experiment and 2 of them were unusable because the grind wasn’t complete. You could see it without a magnifying glass. The other 3 were not sharp and pointed enough to do fine engraving. I threw them all away.

I can’t say I have ever tried Amana bits. They are typically more expensive and I read more bad comments about them than good. Since you mentioned it, I might order a few to experiment with. I go through a lot of 60 and 90 degree V bits. What I need is a good and economical sharpening service.

I am needing to cut some plexiglass for fixtures and I will order a specialty bit from Onsrud.

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#20 posted 07-20-2017 10:19 AM



I can t say I have ever tried Amana bits. They are typically more expensive and I read more bad comments about them than good. Since you mentioned it, I might order a few to experiment with. I go through a lot of 60 and 90 degree V bits. What I need is a good and economical sharpening service.

I am needing to cut some plexiglass for fixtures and I will order a specialty bit from Onsrud.

- ArtMann

For general purpose, off the shelf profiles, I would stick with Whiteside. Amana bits are decent, but nothing to harp about in my experience. Dollar for dollar, Whiteside is a much better buy IMO.

-- It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. Aristotle

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#21 posted 07-20-2017 10:35 AM

I like Amana bits. Tools Today sells them, and their shaper bits for the same price (within $1) of what I can get them at from my local wholesaler.

-- Brian, Western MA

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#22 posted 07-20-2017 10:37 AM

also, I agree with priot poster. Sets are rarely worth it. Buy profiles you need, as you need them. better to have two each of the profiles you actually need than a set of profiles you’ll never use. That way, you can send one out for sharpening, and still heve on on hand to continue working. (Or have an extra in case of emergency)

-- Brian, Western MA

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#23 posted 07-20-2017 10:52 AM

Buy the bits you need …I have had good luck with Whiteside and Infinity…

-- Pat / Colorado

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#24 posted 07-20-2017 11:06 PM


I buy Freud because it is available locally and is better than other local brands. I prefer Whiteside but they take a couple of days to order. Freud is far, far better than the bargain Chinese brands like Grizzly or MLCS. I recently bought a package of 5 1/4 inch 90 degree V bits from MLCS just as an experiment and 2 of them were unusable because the grind wasn t complete. You could see it without a magnifying glass. The other 3 were not sharp and pointed enough to do fine engraving. I threw them all away.

For general purpose, off the shelf profiles, I would stick with Whiteside. Amana bits are decent, but nothing to harp about in my experience. Dollar for dollar, Whiteside is a much better buy IMO.

- Tony_S

It really comes down to time and sharpening. If a standard bit is $5 to sharpen and last twice as long as a freud or whiteside the extra cost is worth it. As I said Amana beat freud 2-1 when it came to running raised panels. When I made the comment to a Freud representative they said there must be something wrong with the bit or is there really something wrong with freud bits…

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#25 posted 07-20-2017 11:42 PM

i would say whiteside is every bit as good as amana and way better than the freuds i have used

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#26 posted 07-21-2017 02:18 AM

Others have said it so I won’t.

-- Gene 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

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#27 posted 07-21-2017 02:31 AM




- knotscott

Good base set right there. I would add a 1/8” roundover.

-- Rick M, http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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#28 posted 07-21-2017 02:57 AM

Amana tool bits

-- Desert_Woodworker

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#29 posted 07-21-2017 03:53 AM

I do not buy sets because there are quite a number that I would never use or use too infrequently to make it worthwhile.
I tend to buy milling cutters from Amana, Niagara, Whiteside, Onsrud, and Eagle America.
A long time ago the late great lumberjock, Roger Clark aka Rex, told me that he bought milling cutters because they were cheaper, many are 1/4” and/or 1/2” shank, carbide or HSS, and typically higher quality.
He was absolutely correct!

-- "I never met a board I didn't like!"

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#30 posted 07-21-2017 10:20 AM


I buy Freud because it is available locally and is better than other local brands. I prefer Whiteside but they take a couple of days to order. Freud is far, far better than the bargain Chinese brands like Grizzly or MLCS. I recently bought a package of 5 1/4 inch 90 degree V bits from MLCS just as an experiment and 2 of them were unusable because the grind wasn t complete. You could see it without a magnifying glass. The other 3 were not sharp and pointed enough to do fine engraving. I threw them all away.

For general purpose, off the shelf profiles, I would stick with Whiteside. Amana bits are decent, but nothing to harp about in my experience. Dollar for dollar, Whiteside is a much better buy IMO.

- Tony_S

It really comes down to time and sharpening. If a standard bit is $5 to sharpen and last twice as long as a freud or whiteside the extra cost is worth it. As I said Amana beat freud 2-1 when it came to running raised panels. When I made the comment to a Freud representative they said there must be something wrong with the bit or is there really something wrong with freud bits…

- JackDuren

For the sake of clarity, the top paragraph doesn’t belong to me.

As I said Jack, Amana bits, (and I’m referring only to standard brazed router bits) are decent bits….maybe I should have said ‘good’ bits, but in my experience, definitely no better than Whiteside, so there isn’t any justification to pay more for the same bit.
I actually have more replaceable insert type router bits by Amana than their braised bits. Very happy with them, but comparing a carbide insert(C4?) to brazed carbide(C1-C2?)bits is comparing apples to oranges IMO.
As for CNC work, 90% of the tooling is Solid carbide from Onsrud. Always been impressed with their quality and performance.

-- It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. Aristotle

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#31 posted 07-21-2017 12:49 PM

Whiteside and Infinity are my top choices, Amana is also very good

-- Randy - "I dont make mistakes, I make design change opportunities" www.knotheadswoodshed.com

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#32 posted 07-22-2017 11:06 PM

The quote feature on this particular forum software works poorly. It encourages the kind of identity mistakes you identified.


For the sake of clarity, the top paragraph doesn t belong to me.

- Tony_S


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#33 posted 07-23-2017 12:30 AM

I like what I am reading Onnsrud, Amana , Whiteside and Infinity Can’t go wrong.
Art- ‘The quote feature on this particular forum software works poorly. It encourages the kind of identity mistakes you identified.”
Can anybody explain- copying a partial quote and make it in gold/yellow without having to manually delete the remaing portion? Help appreciated,

-- Desert_Woodworker

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#34 posted 07-23-2017 02:40 PM

On most of the other forums of which I am a member, when you use the quote function on a post that has its own quote, the resultant post will automatically format it as a quote of a previous quote. I don’t think this forum has that feature. I have not found any other way to partially quote a post without manually deleting part of it. It is too easy to attribute text to a person, in an official looking way, something they never said, as Tony pointed out.

With any free forum, you take the bad with the good.

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#35 posted 07-23-2017 02:59 PM

MLCS are decent bits. I bought a set of cheap bits several years ago and they have been seviceable and as I break or dull them I replace with better quality bits. I have a lot of different profiles some I may never use or only use once or twice. But I only paid a couple of dollars each for them not 15 or 20 for a profile then only use once.

I feel a set like that is well worth the money especially if you amortize them out over years. You now only need to buy bits that you wear out proving that you are using them or a very few profiles that you may not use much.

-- Bruce, Boise, ID

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#36 posted 07-25-2017 02:25 AM

Thanks for all the input, I think i now know what bits to buy that will last. Basically what I wanted the set for was the off the wall profile bits. I don’t have any, so I thought I’d buy the set to use now and replace the ones I wear out with better bits as needed, .leaving me with maybe a decent set of bits that are not used very much. Thanks again.
Gerald

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#37 posted 07-25-2017 03:24 AM



Thanks for all the input, I think i now know what bits to buy that will last. Basically what I wanted the set for was the off the wall profile bits. I don t have any, so I thought I d buy the set to use now and replace the ones I wear out with better bits as needed, .leaving me with maybe a decent set of bits that are not used very much. Thanks again.
Gerald

- alittleoff

Best to you and remember regardless which brand you use “don’t hit metal”

-- Desert_Woodworker

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#38 posted 07-25-2017 05:11 AM

Best to you and remember regardless which brand you use “don t hit metal”

- DesertWoodworker

DesertWoodworker but I do cut aluminum, brass, and copper, that’s why I by milling cutters instead of router bits.

-- "I never met a board I didn't like!"

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#39 posted 07-25-2017 05:47 AM


Best to you and remember regardless which brand you use “don t hit metal”

- DesertWoodworker

DesertWoodworker but I do cut aluminum, brass, and copper, that s why I by milling cutters instead of router bits.

- oldnovice

Then I change “metal’ to Iron (FE) aka steel nails

-- Desert_Woodworker

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#40 posted 07-25-2017 10:11 PM

Desert_Woodworker, definetly not on purpose!

-- "I never met a board I didn't like!"

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#41 posted 07-25-2017 11:24 PM


Desert_Woodworker, definetly not on purpose!

- oldnovice


I sure hope not :(

-- Desert_Woodworker

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#42 posted 07-26-2017 03:17 PM

I have 50 or so new old stock Porter-Cable router bits that I am selling for a retired Rockwell/PC employee. I am pretty sure I can get him to go 200.00 for all of them.

QTY Number Style cutter shank
2 43052 Straight bit two flute Carbide tipped 1/4
1 43072 Chamfer two flute Carbide tipped 1/4
2 43082 Rabbeting three flute Carbide tipped 1/4
2 43103 Cove two flute Carbide tipped 1/4
1 43144 Core Box two flute Carbide tipped 1/4
2 43145 Core Box two flute Carbide tipped 1/4
2 43147 Core Box two flute Carbide tipped 1/4
2 43173 Classical two flute Carbide tipped 1/4
2 43175 Ogee w fillet Carbide tipped 1/4
3 43252 Flush trim two flute Carbide tipped 1/4
3 43312 Straight bit two flute Carbide tipped 1/4
1 43318 Straight bit two flute Carbide tipped 1/4
1 43402 Corner Round two flute Carbide tipped 1/4
3 43405 Corner Round two flute Carbide tipped 1/4
3 43408 Corner Round two flute Carbide tipped 1/4
1 43410 Beading two flute Carbide tipped 1/4
2 43416 Beading two flute Carbide tipped 1/4
3 43509 Flush trim two flute Carbide tipped 1/4
2 43512 7* bevel Carbide tipped 1/4
2 43708 Single flute Carbide tipped 1/4
2 43718 Straight bit two flute Carbide tipped 1/4
2 43725 V Groove two flute Carbide tipped 1/4
1 43742 Straight Double Flute Carbide tipped 1/4
1 43063 Double Flute plunge cutting Carbide tipped 1/2
1 43176 Ogee w fillet Carbide tipped 1/2
1 43425PC 1/4” Roundover Carbide tipped 1/2
2 43721 Straight bit two flute Carbide tipped 1/2

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#43 posted 07-26-2017 03:29 PM

I managed to break a 1/4” straight bit from MLCS when routing pine… not going to use them again if I can help it. Whiteside all the way from here on.

-- Allen, Colorado (Instagram @bobasaurus_woodworking)

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#44 posted 07-26-2017 05:43 PM

I agree with many of the comments already posted. My 2 cents—buy what you need when you need it (forget the set)—I prefer the brands Whiteside, Freud, or Infinity—get 1/2” shanks whenever possible.

I have many bits but the bits I seem to use most often are:

-roundover (1/8”, 1/4”, and 1/2”)
-chamfer (45 degree)
-flush trim/pattern cutting bits (especially upcut spiral bits) with a bearing on the top [get something with at least a 1” cutting length—longer is better]

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#45 posted 07-26-2017 06:06 PM

I’m a definite Whiteside fan. They are the only ones I’ll buy anymore.

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#46 posted 07-28-2017 04:16 PM



I managed to break a 1/4” straight bit from MLCS when routing pine… not going to use them again if I can help it. Whiteside all the way from here on.

- bobasaurus

Cheap bits can work but will not last as long. I would not use them though when the steel body or steel supporting the carbide gets too thin like a 1/4” straight bit or a dovetail bit because the quality of the steel is not very good and could break.

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