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Iron Lie Nielsen No 3

by gargey
posted 07-14-2017 07:00 PM


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Johnny7

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#1 posted 07-14-2017 10:35 PM

They have, in the past, made iron bodied No 3s

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#2 posted 07-14-2017 11:21 PM

Clifton makes one.

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Lemwise

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#3 posted 07-15-2017 09:02 AM

Quangsheng also makes a very good #3 and it’s a hell of a lot cheaper.

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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#4 posted 07-15-2017 12:44 PM

They (LN) do respond quickly to email inquiries.

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builtinbkyn

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#5 posted 07-15-2017 01:33 PM

This Wood River No3 is probably a really nice user.

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Lemwise

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#6 posted 07-15-2017 11:18 PM



This Wood River No3 is probably a really nice user.

- builtinbkyn

The Wood River is made by Quangsheng. I tried the Quangsheng once and it’s very nice plane but it’s just too heavy for my taste just like the Clifton, LN and Veritas. For me there’s nothing better than my old Record #3. Not too heave and a nice thin blade that sharpens very fast.

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Derek Cohen

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#7 posted 07-16-2017 04:38 AM

This issue of weight in a smoother is interesting.

I have both the bronze LN #3 and an iron vintage Stanley #3. There is a difference in weight, but I hardly register this. If anything, I prefer the slightly extra mass of the LN. Both are set up to use the chipbreaker to control tearout, and both produce the same performance on interlocked wood.

I have other smoothers with even greater variation. An HNT Gordon woodie weighs next-to-nothing. A Marcou weighs 8lbs !!

You would not want to use a smoother all day long if it is a heavy plane. But who uses a smoother this way? Smoothers are for finishing. All this involves is just a few strokes. Fatigue (due to pushing a heavy plane) is really irrelevant.

Now if we were discussing roughing planes, such as a jack, then I would argue for a woodie and lower weight every time. :)

Regards from Perth

Derek

-- Buildiing furniture, and reviewing and building tools at http://www.inthewoodshop.com

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AlaskaGuy

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#8 posted 07-16-2017 05:55 AM



They (LN) do respond quickly to email inquiries.

- Smitty_Cabinetshop


I know one way to find out

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#9 posted 07-16-2017 03:57 PM

Also consider a Bedrock 603.

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#10 posted 07-17-2017 06:44 PM



Fatigue (due to pushing a heavy plane) is really irrelevant.

I often use my #3 when I’m working on the interior in a boat. This can be at chest hight, above my head, vertically or in awkward positions. In those cases weight most certainly is an issue. Not everyone uses a plane the same way you do so a blanket statement like “fatigue is irrelevant” is kind of shortsighted.

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#11 posted 07-17-2017 07:25 PM

Fatigue (due to pushing a heavy plane) is really irrelevant.

I often use my #3 when I m working on the interior in a boat. This can be at chest hight, above my head, vertically or in awkward positions. In those cases weight most certainly is an issue. Not everyone uses a plane the same way you do so a blanket statement like “fatigue is irrelevant” is kind of shortsighted.

- Lemwise

Nice misquote!

Here’s what Derek wrote:

“Fatigue (due to pushing a heavy plane) is really irrelevant.”

He was clearly talking about pushing a heavy plane, and took pains to spell that out.

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Lemwise

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#12 posted 07-17-2017 09:02 PM

In the use cases I described I’m also pushing the plane. I tried the Quangsheng #3 the way I typically use it in a boat and the weight was too much.

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gargey

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#13 posted 07-17-2017 09:21 PM

In my case, I want iron primarily to avoid marring from the bronze. My bronze LN #95 sometimes left marks.

Also, to match my other planes (LN). Also, because I’d be happy with iron and therefore no need for extra $.

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#14 posted 07-18-2017 02:28 AM

I find the #1 & #2 are fantastic.

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Derek Cohen

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#15 posted 07-18-2017 03:25 AM


Fatigue (due to pushing a heavy plane) is really irrelevant.

I often use my #3 when I m working on the interior in a boat. This can be at chest hight, above my head, vertically or in awkward positions. In those cases weight most certainly is an issue. Not everyone uses a plane the same way you do so a blanket statement like “fatigue is irrelevant” is kind of shortsighted.

- Lemwise

Working overhead is an atypical situation for furniture makers :) Note that I was referring to the process of smoothing for furniture makers. The OP asked about planes for use on a bench.

In your situation I would imagine (since I have not built a boat or worked on the interior, as you do) that there would be a preference for light woodies or block planes. Perhaps you could share with us what works for you. It is interesting.

Regards from Perth

Derek

-- Buildiing furniture, and reviewing and building tools at http://www.inthewoodshop.com

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Lemwise

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#16 posted 07-18-2017 03:13 PM

I’ve never really been a fan of woodies. I have only one that I made myself years ago (when I was 18) and I still use it but for the most part I prefer an old #3. I use my Record on every boat I’m working on and it sees more use than any other plane I have. It’s the perfect combination of size and weight, at least for me.

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Derek Cohen

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#17 posted 07-18-2017 03:28 PM

I have seen your Krenov-style woodie, and am surprised that you do not use it more frequently for overhead work. Small woodies can be a fraction of the weight of a #3 (which I do like on a bench).

Below are a couple I have made. Alongside the smoother is a 130mm long low angle block plane. These are very light planes.

Regards from Perth

Derek

-- Buildiing furniture, and reviewing and building tools at http://www.inthewoodshop.com

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Lemwise

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#18 posted 07-19-2017 04:45 PM



I have seen your Krenov-style woodie, and am surprised that you do not use it more frequently for overhead work.

A handle and knob give me more control when I’m working above my head, especially when I’m holding the plane upside down which happens frequently.

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