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What should I do with this somewhat uncommon Stanley plane part?

by Marn64
posted 07-11-2017 06:37 PM


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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#1 posted 07-11-2017 06:56 PM

This looks like a very typical (and common) pre-war lever cap for a #2-sized Stanley bench plane. What differentiates it as being specific to a #602? I honestly don’t know / not a Bedrock guy.

That has a bearing on whether it is a sell piece or not.

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive --

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Marn64

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#2 posted 07-11-2017 07:46 PM


This looks like a very typical (and common) pre-war lever cap for a #2-sized Stanley bench plane. What differentiates it as being specific to a #602? I honestly don t know / not a Bedrock guy.

That has a bearing on whether it is a sell piece or not.

- Smitty_Cabinetshop


I was under the impression that the black japanning behind the letters was unique to bedrocks, I could be wrong about that though.

-- Benjamin, Milwaukee

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ShaneA

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#3 posted 07-11-2017 07:50 PM

Selling “as is” gives the potential new buyer the option of how they would like it to appear. Since it is not a 3-line or 1-line Bedrock cap…the value will not be as high as possible. It is a desirable pc to someone who needs it though. The market will dictate the price.

Edit: I believe what you are seeing as Japanning is just dirt/patina? Could be wrong though

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JayT

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#4 posted 07-11-2017 07:56 PM

Starting with the type 7 Bedrocks, Stanley used the exact same lever caps for both the Bailey and Bedrock lines. I really don’t know what the value of one of the single line “Stanley” caps for a #2 is, but because they are more common than earlier caps that were marked as “Bedrock”, due to being used on both lines of planes, that is why they sell for quite a bit less than earlier types.

Personally, I’d kill any active rust and leave the cap on the plane until you find a correct one. That might take a while, so no reason to leave the plane incomplete until then.

Earlier Bedrocks, with two and three line caps, had japanning behind the letters. I don’t believe any of the single line ones did, whether marked “Bedrock” or “Stanley” (really late ones with the kidney shaped hole had that hideous orange paint, but not japanning)

-- https://www.jtplaneworks.com - In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.

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Marn64

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#5 posted 07-12-2017 05:45 PM


Starting with the type 7 Bedrocks, Stanley used the exact same lever caps for both the Bailey and Bedrock lines. I really don t know what the value of one of the single line “Stanley” caps for a #2 is, but because they are more common than earlier caps that were marked as “Bedrock”, due to being used on both lines of planes, that is why they sell for quite a bit less than earlier types.

Personally, I d kill any active rust and leave the cap on the plane until you find a correct one. That might take a while, so no reason to leave the plane incomplete until then.

Earlier Bedrocks, with two and three line caps, had japanning behind the letters. I don t believe any of the single line ones did, whether marked “Bedrock” or “Stanley” (really late ones with the kidney shaped hole had that hideous orange paint, but not japanning)

- JayT


That is actually a pretty good idea, I still need to find a blade and chipbreaker for this plane, I will keep the bent chipbreaker so I still technically have the original part. Do you perhaps know what the period correct blade would look like (in terms of the stanley markings at the top?) As for the lever cap, I am almost certain there is japanning on this lever cap, take a look at this pic I took. The glossiness of the japanning doesn’t show up in the picture, and a lot of it has worn off, but it sure looks like japanning to me.

-- Benjamin, Milwaukee

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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#6 posted 07-12-2017 06:08 PM

This from Leach’s Blood and Gore site, re: dating your bedrock via lever cap (japanned or otherwise, as he doesn’t say one way or another):


... there are some other telltale ways to date your Bed Rocks. Chief among the other ways is the lever cap and its embossing. The earliest models have “STANLEY/R. & L. Co./BED ROCK” cast in three separate lines (that’s what the / means). Starting around 1910, the lever caps have “STANLEY/BED ROCK” in two lines. A few years later, just “BED ROCK” is cast. From ca. 1925 onward, “STANLEY” is all that appears.

Using that info, a SW-logo’d cutter would be appropriate to your plane.

EDIT: See fine print under Type 13, Subsection #1 here.

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive --

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Marn64

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#7 posted 07-13-2017 12:51 AM



This from Leach s Blood and Gore site, re: dating your bedrock via lever cap (japanned or otherwise, as he doesn t say one way or another):

... there are some other telltale ways to date your Bed Rocks. Chief among the other ways is the lever cap and its embossing. The earliest models have “STANLEY/R. & L. Co./BED ROCK” cast in three separate lines (that s what the / means). Starting around 1910, the lever caps have “STANLEY/BED ROCK” in two lines. A few years later, just “BED ROCK” is cast. From ca. 1925 onward, “STANLEY” is all that appears.

Using that info, a SW-logo d cutter would be appropriate to your plane.

EDIT: See fine print under Type 13, Subsection #1 here.

- Smitty_Cabinetshop


The 602 I have is a type 3 (1900-1903), the lever cap is not original. Would the blade have been a sweetheart back in 1900?

-- Benjamin, Milwaukee

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#8 posted 07-13-2017 01:34 AM

No, it would have been a two line stamp on the iron. Stanley on top with Pat Ap’l 19.92 on the second line.

Here is the best Bedrock type study out there.

-- https://www.jtplaneworks.com - In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.

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#9 posted 07-13-2017 04:46 AM

Nope. SW matches the cap. JayT is correct. Just know that not all planes left the Stanley factory in accordance with the type studies. They weren’t aware of the studies. They cranked out product and many times used up inventory with “mismatched” parts with reckless abandon. So, your plane may have had that lever cap since the beginning. They made have found your ‘earlier’ body and sold it, no problem, with a later lever cap and a SW cutter. Or not. Who’s to say for sure?

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive --

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