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Plagiarism? Piracy? Or what do you call it?

by poopiekat
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#1 posted 03-27-2010 02:27 AM

I haven’t seen that but it would make sense that someone could be doing that.

I was going to offer my one piece folding chair full size pattern to you LJ’s that wanted it. I would have to fax you 15 pages of stuff and you could put it back together. See my projects to know what I mean.

If I see them being mass produced from China I may get a bit miffed.

-- Michael Murphy, Woodland, CA.

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#2 posted 03-27-2010 02:29 AM

Hi MM!
no, I mean, our posts about our woodworking projects is getting lifted verbatim out of the LJ site as if it was posted in this other person’s site! I’m hesitant to divulge the link, last thing I want to do is give this pirate any exposure. I’ve PM’ed Martin about it.

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#3 posted 03-27-2010 02:42 AM

Hey Poop…

Have you notified any of the LJ’s who have been pirated?

-- It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. Aristotle

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#4 posted 03-27-2010 02:57 AM

My friend’s site has had this problem. Not with any woodworking, but with some rather nice scenic “vacation” type pics. The people weren’t bright enough to steal the pictures, they just linked to them to steal his bandwidth too. So he got them back by substituting some extremely rude and offensive photo’s. I will not even describe what the pictures were, because some of your eye’s might explode :)

-- You can get more with a kind word and a 2 by 4, than you can with just a kind word.

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#5 posted 03-27-2010 03:00 AM

Hi, Tony!
I’m waiting for a response from Martin; for all I know he already has knowledge of it. It annoys me, mostly because of a recent post I did about my latest project posted, a spiral-turning ornamental lathe I built. I mentioned it to a colleague of mine, who found MY project presented on another site!!!! It looks like this person harvests all kinds of activity from other sites and presents it as his original material.

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#6 posted 03-27-2010 03:05 AM

Hey, Folks!
IMPORTANT NOTE:
Google your Lumberjock user name, for example Tony
S as above, or any Lumberjock user’s name who has a lot of activity here. You will see his/her projects, blogs, videos, and perhaps other stuff…listed in other peoples’ websites. AND… they are soliciting comments from their own members about MY projects!!! I doubt if anyone ever gave permission for their stuff to be pirated into these other forums. Did anybody know this was happening?_

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#7 posted 03-27-2010 03:12 AM

Find out who the Admin of that site is and tell him what is going on. There is nothing you can do to keep people from stealing images from web sites. Nothing at all. Except not post them.

-- You can get more with a kind word and a 2 by 4, than you can with just a kind word.

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#8 posted 03-27-2010 03:14 AM

I, for one, would appreciate it if someone found my projects posted on another site that they would let me know.

I guess it is a fact of the Internet that everyone thinks everything there is “free” but it would still be nice if they would ask.

Lew

-- Lew- Time traveler. Purveyor of the Universe's finest custom rolling pins.

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#9 posted 03-27-2010 03:19 AM

Mogebier:
I’m aware that indiscriminate eBay sellers will steal one another’s pics to sell their own similar items, which drives me nutzo too. But I’m finding this to be most offensive, a project that I have created, and shared ONLY with my fellow lumberjocks, turns up on a totally different site like the owner is getting a good story and pics and profiting from his piracy. It’s not fun, stumbling over stuff like this, and makes me hesitate to post anymore projects…god knows where they’re ending up!!! The first time I saw it, it was a discussion topic on his site… the next time, it was a link to the LJ site…but it IS my intellectual property!!

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#10 posted 03-27-2010 03:23 AM

hmmm

http://www.penportal.net/?p=3312

-- San Diego, CA

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#11 posted 03-27-2010 03:24 AM

All righty folks…DO NOT click here: http://workshop.hughdidit.com/?tag=particle-board
There you’ll see my lathe project, pictures and text, verbatim, in its entirety. STOLEN outta here.
This “workshop/hughdidit.com stole my LJ project posting. And possibly a zillion other projects originally posted in Lumberjocks. Maybe some of yours!!!!

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#12 posted 03-27-2010 03:31 AM

One more note…I found MY project listing only because my user ID was inserted into the text by my reference to a ‘poopiekat’ blog. Most of the projects have been completely sanitized, with the project’s owner’s name edited away. But MANY projects I saw were already familiar to me, having read them here already. Go see if your good projects, blogs, or messages have been ripped off.

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#13 posted 03-27-2010 03:32 AM

Interpim, you’re on the right track…how many sites are there that are pirating the activity of Lumberjocks members?

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#14 posted 03-27-2010 03:37 AM

Why not reach out to Hugh, and see what his deal is?

My guess? He sells ads on his website. More clicks (/hits) = higher $$ ad rates.

http://whois.domaintools.com/hughdidit.com

-- -- Neil

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#15 posted 03-27-2010 03:38 AM

Lew, you might see your submissions on that site, or ones you recognize from other users. I’m starting to think that the site harvests articles from elsewhere on the net through the use of keywords. It’s just plain dishonest, in my opinion.

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#16 posted 03-27-2010 03:39 AM

Methinks I’m right:

http://hughchapman.com/

Look at his “Goals for 2010.”

Poopiekat? I think YOU are one of his goals :-)

I’d call him.

-- -- Neil

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#17 posted 03-27-2010 03:40 AM

true enough, Beener! There’s no link to the webmaster there, however! He probably got tired of the complaints and demands to remove peoples postings from other websites.
EDIT: Yup, I stand corrected, Nbeener!

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#18 posted 03-27-2010 03:41 AM

I think he’d be easy enough to get ahold of.

He does NOT seem to be flying under radar….

-- -- Neil

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#19 posted 03-27-2010 03:48 AM

Hmmm…I have to give him my name in order to contact him? NFW…unless we organize.
Frustrating to think that he can steal bits and pieces of us without our permission, without consideration of any kind… and get away with it. As I said, Martin must have an opinion on this, and I will wait for his opinion before I take the bull by the horns…

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#20 posted 03-27-2010 03:51 AM

It might be better to see who all his sponsors are and write them a letter

-- Gary, DeKalb Texas only 4 miles from the mill

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#21 posted 03-27-2010 04:02 AM

Gary

That’s a good idea, hit him in the wallet maybe he’ll get the message when they start dropping him.

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#22 posted 03-27-2010 04:25 AM

Reported to Martin.

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#23 posted 03-27-2010 04:26 AM

There is no way the admin of this site can stop people stealing things.
And GHman is correct, you really should think about just letting it go because you never know what kind of wacko’s are on that site that might decide to do some 4chan action on your real life.
The Internet is full of scumbags, and it’s best not to whip on the wrong ones.
And if you don’t understand the 4chan reference, just think of some anonymous jerk deciding to spam you with 1000’s of porn pictures and e-mails and find out your house and job and work etc and do an freak out attack on them too.
You never know.

-- You can get more with a kind word and a 2 by 4, than you can with just a kind word.

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#24 posted 03-27-2010 04:36 AM

Moge…you’re right sometime it fires back and things get worst best to let go.

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#25 posted 03-27-2010 04:37 AM

Agreed, Mogebier.
I was a victim years ago of somebody who used my customary ID to post some vulgar trash on a British website. How nice of GMman to post it here, hoping that others might think it was me. He’s got time to remove it.

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#26 posted 03-27-2010 04:41 AM

If you were a victim once just let go it’s just a photo.

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#27 posted 03-27-2010 04:54 AM

I wonder if a watermark (over the images) with a copyright notice and for “LumberJocks site only” would deter any of these people…

-- Steve - Impatience is Expensive

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#28 posted 03-27-2010 05:00 AM

On the internet all is open if you don’t want people to see your work don’t post it.

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#29 posted 03-27-2010 05:06 AM

GMman, that sounds like the US to me! I think it’s bad all over. Poopiekat, you MIGHT try going to the sites in question and posting (under another handle, of course, since yours was ganked) and explain that the pix are frauds, and are your original works, with a link to LJ. Sad to say, that may invite etoughness from the perps, and it will mess it up here. Then, you’d need a webmaster whose sole job was cleaning up the mess. Sad.

-- Random Orbital Nailer

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#30 posted 03-27-2010 05:21 AM

I realize there is a side conversation going on here, but I am still thinking about a way to get these poeple to go somewhere else. I updated the photo in this blog entry to look like this

I am interested in views about this as a possible solution (or at least a deterrent)

-- Steve - Impatience is Expensive

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#31 posted 03-27-2010 05:37 AM

Unfortunately, with today’s technology, anything publically exposed is up for grabs. Just ask the musicians!!

-- Bob in WW ~ "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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#32 posted 03-27-2010 05:59 AM

I think it’s set to automatically copy any projects we post on here. I was searching for any of mine on there, and my post from earlier this month, sure enough was there. It was tagged under “woodworking” and after I clicked on Woodworking, I noticed every project I’d seen posted today was already on that site. I will say at least they put links to the original page, but that’s kind of low for not posting a disclaimer or to make money off of our free website.

-- -- Jim - Kokomo, Indiana

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#33 posted 03-27-2010 06:26 AM

I checked to see if my bass guitar posted here was on this other site, and didn’t find it. But I did see Marc Spagnuolo’s “Birth of a Guitar” videos posted there. FOR SHAME!!!

What’s he getting out of this? Payment for advertising? He certainly wouldn’t be able to duplicate the products of the woodworkers here at LJ if a potential customer came to him and wanted something posted on his site…

-- Lane Custom Guitars and Basses

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#34 posted 03-27-2010 06:35 AM

You are correct. The projects seem to appear on his site as they appear on LJ.

His site is http://hughchapman.com We should all send him emails several times a day that tell him how unprofessional and unethical he is in doing what he is doing.

Inundate the asshole with emails.

I can send him several per day.

And when I am in his area, I may just look him up. It’s only about 70 miles from here.

-- Michael Murphy, Woodland, CA.

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#35 posted 03-27-2010 06:46 AM

The best course of action may be to file a DMCA takedown notice with his ISP.

-- David from Indiana --

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#36 posted 03-27-2010 07:10 AM

I had to look up DMCA – Digital Millenium Copyright Act . I would need to read through this, but it seems like a copyright notice would be enough to trigger a DMCA case…

-- Steve - Impatience is Expensive

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#37 posted 03-27-2010 07:13 AM

Am I breaking a law by clicking on his “contact me” button and emailing him? Are you?

It also would not be out of bounds to start putting a line in each project submission that says “this is a work of original art by (your name here)” and if it shows up on his site without that in it, then you know he is editing the text.

Maybe he will notice, stop what he is doing, and no one needs to hire an attorney.

-- Michael Murphy, Woodland, CA.

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#38 posted 03-27-2010 07:28 AM

Well, like I said, if we just contact his service provider, his site could get taken down almost immediately. There are actually some pretty stiff penalties in the DMCA if a violator puts stuff back up without proving they have legit usage rights for the content. I think a letter could be drafted pretty easily.

—quick hit from Wikipedia
(sorry for the weird formatting)

“Here’s an example of how the takedown procedures would work:

1. Alice puts a copy of Bob’s song on her AOL-hosted website.
2. Bob, searching the Internet, finds Alice’s copy.
3. Charlie, Bob’s lawyer, sends a letter to AOL’s designated agent (registered with the Copyright Office) including: a. contact information b. the name of the song that was copied c. the address of the copied song d. a statement that he has a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law. e. a statement that the information in the notification is accurate f. a statement that, under penalty of perjury, Charlie is authorized to act for the copyright holder g. his signature

4. AOL takes the song down.
5. AOL tells Alice that they have taken the song down.
6. Alice now has the option of sending a counter-notice to AOL, if she feels the song was taken down unfairly. The notice includes a. contact information b. identification of the removed song c. a statement under penalty of perjury that Alice has a good faith belief the material was mistakenly taken down d. a statement consenting to the jurisdiction of Alice’s local US Federal District Court, or, if outside the US, to a US Federal District Court in any jurisdiction in which AOL is found. e. her signature
7. If Alice does file a valid counter-notice, AOL notifies Bob, then waits 10-14 business days for a lawsuit to be filed by Bob.
8. If Bob does not file a lawsuit, then AOL must put the material back up.”

Not sure where that gets us if we don’t have lawyers and are not willing to follow through with filing lawsuits, but it is indeed an avenue.

-- David from Indiana --

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#39 posted 03-27-2010 07:40 AM

i say we all get together, go over to his house and beat him with our original projects. ;)

-- dan "insert pithy woodworking coment here"

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#40 posted 03-27-2010 08:20 AM

Is there some way lj can set it up to where when we post it puts a lj on the corner like ebay. This guy is just a chump and a punk. gutless wonder he is. but to do nothing and let it lay down not on a dare. The kooks coming after me let’m come. We’ll take it on to each other who gets who first. I’ll die for ever on my feet before I’ll live one second on my knees. But to the postings I agree contact this sponsors how many lj’s are there? Lj need to e-m every body to let them know about this. I think if he has my stuff I’ll e-m him with tec questions. Then when he is wrong I’ll tell him it my post.

-- GAR

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#41 posted 03-27-2010 10:29 AM

I’ve just tried to use Hugh’s “Contact Me” on his website, and there is just a blank page. I guess he has taken down the option of mailing or calling him in defense of a possible LJ response.

-- I may be schizophrenic, but at least I have each other.

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#42 posted 03-27-2010 10:37 AM

His website is a wordpress blog. If you contact the people at wordpress, they might do something about it.

-- Rick, Canada, http://www.table-saw-guide.com

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#43 posted 03-27-2010 12:41 PM

I just sent a message to Hugh and asked him to stop scraping our RSS feeds.

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#44 posted 03-27-2010 01:32 PM

I just emailed the Missouri State Atourney Generals office and asked if there anything that can be done about it. You might contact the atourney in your states to see what can be done about it.

-- Tim, Missouri ....Inside every older person is a younger person wondering what the heck happened

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#45 posted 03-27-2010 02:13 PM

There is coding that does not allow site visitors to copy pictures. I know I’ve seen it before, When you right click it brings up a popup saying “this is cpoyrighted material. You must contact the original owner if you’d like a copy of this photo” It’s about 3 or 4 lines of coding I’m sure martin can do. Martin, Easy script

This link brings you to a script that does not allow people to rightclick pictures. I am sure if this keeps happenening it’ll deter people from posting. I don’t want to see that happen. I visit daily sometimes more than once. Protect our projects, and most of all protect our Lumberjocks!

-- Live by what you believe, not what they want you to believe.

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#46 posted 03-27-2010 02:28 PM

hughdidit, huh? No, the fact is, hugh didn’t do it!

Solutions are simpler than anything suggested here. He gets charged for bandwidth. Go to his site, browse often, but never, ever click on any advertising links! If an ad looks interesting (and I didn’t see anything that grabbed my attention), do a separate search to find it elsewhere. He doesn’t do a good job in the search engines, so if you find any posts that are interesting, a simple search on key phrases in the post will bring up the site he stole it from near the top. He’ll be doing you a favor by pointing you to other interesting sites that you haven’t noticed before. Give them your eyeballs thereafter. To help this along, specifically mention LumberJocks in every post you make here from now on. If (when) he steals it, it will be more advertising for Martin’s site and drive more eyeballs here! Even if he sanitizes every post, it will take him more and more time to steal content.

-- "Find out what you cannot do and then go do it!"

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#47 posted 03-27-2010 03:19 PM

This was the only post people commented on last night, besides the pls believe Brazil sandpaper and the “can you guess what this is??”

oh and the stupid toyota forklift video

Come on guys talk some woodworking for a change

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#48 posted 03-27-2010 03:26 PM

I just googled buffalo689..scarey amount of info, wow, that’s what i get for being nieve

-- bill

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#49 posted 03-27-2010 03:59 PM

I’m a little more laid-back about this, I guess.

If I don’t want somebody to steal my television, I’m not going to leave it out on the front lawn while I’m on vacation. And if I don’t want someone to steal my project photos or ideas, I’m not going to post them on the internet.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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#50 posted 03-27-2010 04:17 PM

I just copied and posted this thread to my other site at penturners.org to let them know what is going on.

-- www.cabinfevercreations.com

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