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Need Advice on Used Unisaw Purchase

by CherryO
posted 03-10-2017 12:12 PM


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Carloz

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#1 posted 03-10-2017 12:43 PM

The link you qouted states that the life of the motor affected by the number of starts. So it all depends how often the saw was used. It it was in a production environment it is pretty worn out. If it was sitting in some tool junkie’s garage it could be almost brand nee.

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dhazelton

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#2 posted 03-10-2017 12:49 PM

I have tools with motors from the 1930s with bronze bushings that I simply blew the dust out of and put new cords on. I wouldn’t worry about it.

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#3 posted 03-10-2017 01:02 PM

Being used by a someone as a hobby, I wouldn’t worry about any kind of failure for a very long time. The two areas that would be the most susceptible to premature failure would be the bearings and the centrifugal switch. Both can be replaced without requiring a new motor and at a very small fraction of what a new motor would cost. In all honesty, unless the motor has been sitting in a pile of sawdust its whole life it’s very unlikely even the most dedicated part time woodworker would be able to use up any more than a small percentage of the motor’s cerall life in just 12 years. You’ll be very happy with the saw and $600 sounds like an excellent deal also.

-- "Lack of effort will result in failure with amazing predictability" - Me

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MrUnix

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#4 posted 03-10-2017 02:46 PM

I found online here: http://www.leeson.com/TechnicalInformation/faqmotor.html that 1-5HP motors have a MTBF of about 17 years and this saw is right there according to manufacturer. Please tell me there have been motors that last way longer than this before having to replace. Thanks!
- CherryO

If that were true, then I have motors running today that should have died over 50 years ago. There are Unisaws in production environments that were made in the 40’s and still have their original motors. It is very rare for one to just go belly up unless you work really, really hard to kill them.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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#5 posted 03-10-2017 02:49 PM

Most likely the motor will outlast you and your children. Damn good saw.

-- Google first, search forums second, ask questions later.

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CherryO

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#6 posted 03-10-2017 03:00 PM

I expected this but wasnt sure and got a little nervous. Thanks for all of the input!! Now curious if this was a good deal is anyone cares to chime in. $650 for 2000 unisaw put into use in 2003. Came with unifence, rolling base, router table ext with router, handful of zero clearance inserts with microsplitter. Seems good to me but im new to this hobby.

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#7 posted 03-10-2017 03:09 PM

Yeah, that’s a pretty decent deal. You better grab it before someone else beats you to it.

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#8 posted 03-10-2017 03:09 PM

Could be a real good deal. Post some pics so we get a better idea of the overall condition. Even if it’s a tad rough, $600 with that fence and a single phase 3hp motor offers a lot of potential to be a great buy IMO.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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CherryO

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#9 posted 03-10-2017 03:20 PM

No pic as the ad was removed but the saw condition is immaculate from the pictures. only one owner who seems very meticulous. Excited to say the least!

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CherryO

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#10 posted 03-10-2017 03:42 PM

Will def post pic tomorrow after i pick up.

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#11 posted 03-10-2017 06:00 PM

Motors typically will “fail” from the start/run capacitors dying. These are easy to replace and inexpensive. A centrifugal switch can also eventually fail, though usually from pitted contacts that can be cleaned up.

The motor being on it’s last legs is probably the last thing I’d worry about.

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#12 posted 03-10-2017 06:20 PM

Now curious if this was a good deal is anyone cares to chime in. $650 for 2000 unisaw put into use in 2003. Came with unifence, rolling base, router table ext with router, handful of zero clearance inserts with microsplitter. Seems good to me but im new to this hobby.
- CherryO

It’s a pretty good deal… not a steal, but not too bad either. That price is towards the lower end of what those saws typically sell for around here, which is roughly $500-$800 average. The extras do enhance that a bit as well. Being a 2000 model year puts it towards the end of the Pentair years at Delta (just before being sold to Black and Decker), which is a bit less desirable than the older models due to cost cutting measures put in place during those years, but it’s still a very solid saw and will still be around after you aren’t :)

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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teejk02

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#13 posted 03-10-2017 10:30 PM



Now curious if this was a good deal is anyone cares to chime in. $650 for 2000 unisaw put into use in 2003. Came with unifence, rolling base, router table ext with router, handful of zero clearance inserts with microsplitter. Seems good to me but im new to this hobby.
- CherryO

It s a pretty good deal… not a steal, but not too bad either. That price is towards the lower end of what those saws typically sell for around here, which is roughly $500-$800 average. The extras do enhance that a bit as well. Being a 2000 model year puts it towards the end of the Pentair years at Delta (just before being sold to Black and Decker), which is a bit less desirable than the older models due to cost cutting measures put in place during those years, but it s still a very solid saw and will still be around after you aren t :)

Cheers,
Brad

- MrUnix

Your estimates of value amaze me and I’m sure you’re accurate. I live in Amish country and your $650 for a clean machine would probably sell for $1,000 around here.

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CherryO

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#14 posted 03-10-2017 10:55 PM

Yes i would have thought 1k to 1.2k based on just what has hit CL recently…granted no one really knows the exact transaction price unless you were involved.
Brad, what are the most desirable years for this saw holding condition of saw constant?

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MrUnix

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#15 posted 03-11-2017 02:59 AM

Yes i would have thought 1k to 1.2k based on just what has hit CL recently…granted no one really knows the exact transaction price unless you were involved.
Brad, what are the most desirable years for this saw holding condition of saw constant?

- CherryO

Trying to base a price on what is ‘recent’ is not really ideal… I’ve seen people put stuff out with crazy stupid prices, and those are the ones you find as they stay out there for a long time. The reasonably priced (and killer deals) come and go quick, and you may not even seen them at all if you only check infrequently. Know what you want, set up some alerts, have cash in hand and be ready to pounce when the real deal shows up.

As for age, Delta sold their machinery division to Pentair in 1984 (and renamed the company to the Delta International Machine Corporation). Before that, they pretty much had remained the same since their inception in the late 30’s with just a few changes. After Pentair got them, they started cutting costs by doing stuff like switching from a NEMA starter to a cheaper IEC type, using thinner sheet metal and incorporating a lot more plastic. Nothing major, but noticeable to anyone familiar with the older machines.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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CherryO

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#16 posted 03-11-2017 03:49 AM

This is great info, thanks for sharing! Just a follow up if you don’t mind, how do the unisaws produced from 2005 onward compare with the Pentair era ones? I.e. Did the build quality go up under black and decker and how about under Change Type since 2011? Obviously there are more bells and whistles on the newer saws which make them safer and easier to market, but is the overall build quality better or worse than the 84 to 2005 era?

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MrUnix

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#17 posted 03-11-2017 04:11 AM

The basic design remained virtually unchanged from the late 30’s up until their re-design in 2007, where they modifed the trunnions a bit and put both hand wheels up front. Black and Decker continued the cost cutting modifications and basically wiped out the spare parts inventory just prior to selling the brand overseas (See here for the story). The Unisaw was the last remaining product Delta built in the US, which was eventually moved overseas around 2013 IIRC.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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jimintx

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#18 posted 03-11-2017 05:21 AM

I agree with teejk and Cherry – the saw would see for a thousand easy here in the Houston area, and would go fast at that. Heck, $1,500 would not be a shock if it is in very good shape

I sort of keep up with these saws offered around here, since my anniversary grand edition, white Unisaw was purchased in new 1999. It is set up with the 52’ extension, a unifence, and a mobile base. I have been through this saw cleaning and lubing regular, and I am not aware of any plastic parts on it, outside the case that encloses the switch.

The 220v, 3hp motor is the last thing I expect to fail.

-- Jim, Houston, TX

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Fred Hargis

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#19 posted 03-11-2017 01:09 PM

I had that same saw and sold it for $900 about 2 years ago, I think that’s quite deal on it, and you wold be well served snapping it up. I did have a sort of motor failure on mine , I blew a capacitor. But those are extremely well made saws with a USA made (Marathon, I think) motor…nothing to worry about.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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#20 posted 03-11-2017 02:24 PM

Contrary to what some are saying, motors, like everything else, do wear out. It totally depends on how much/what kind of usage the saw has had over 20 years.

Years ago I picked up a 50’s model DeWalt RAS. It came out of a production shop so probably had quite a bit of use. After a couple years of light use in my shop, I could tell the motor got weaker and weaker. Took to motor shop couldn’t justify cost to rewind.

My recommendation is run a substantial piece of wood through the saw and get an idea of the power, then immediately pull the $600 out of your pocket and load it up!!

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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Loren

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#21 posted 03-11-2017 03:18 PM

Motors do wear out but it takes an awful lot of
use to do it. If a machines looks beat to hell,
yeah, motor life expectancy might be an issue,
but if the machine looks good chances are the
motor will have a good life ahead of it.

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CherryO

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#22 posted 03-11-2017 08:44 PM

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So total price was $650 and an additional of about $100 in moving costs. For the following:

Hobbiest used for 12 years Unisaw – all accessories included
Unifence – excellent cond
Rolling Base
2 Router Table Extensions with 1hp router
3 crosscut sleds he threw in when I got there
7 ZC inserts with full and thin kerf microsplitters and templates
New 10” saw blade.

The move was a bit of an ordeal, had to load everything in a dodge Durango and took it 1.5hours to get home. Ended up moving it with the table on, until we got to the stairs, much easier when off just went step by step. We used Shoulder dollies to get it inside.

The seller honored the price of $650, even though he had others offer him $800 hours after he posted the ad. Thanks sir if you are reading this!!

And Thanks everyone for all of your input and thanks fellow lumberjocks for posts on moving a saw like this as without the posts it would have been really much harder.

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teejk02

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#23 posted 03-11-2017 09:43 PM



Pic1
Pic2
Pic3

So total price was $650 and an additional of about $100 in moving costs. For the following:

Hobbiest used for 12 years Unisaw – all accessories included
Unifence – excellent cond
Rolling Base
2 Router Table Extensions with 1hp router
3 crosscut sleds he threw in when I got there
7 ZC inserts with full and thin kerf microsplitters and templates
New 10” saw blade.

The move was a bit of an ordeal, had to load everything in a dodge Durango and took it 1.5hours to get home. Ended up moving it with the table on, until we got to the stairs, much easier when off just went step by step. We used Shoulder dollies to get it inside.

The seller honored the price of $650, even though he had others offer him $800 hours after he posted the ad. Thanks sir if you are reading this!!

And Thanks everyone for all of your input and thanks fellow lumberjocks for posts on moving a saw like this as without the posts it would have been really much harder.

- CherryO

You didn’t steal it but you came pretty close I think.

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firefighterontheside

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#24 posted 03-11-2017 09:56 PM

Good deal…..you wanna buy a 36” uni-T fence from peach tree for cheap?

-- Bill M. "People change, walnut doesn't" by Gene.

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CherryO

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#25 posted 03-11-2017 10:09 PM

Yeah that’s exactly what the guy who sold me this so I told me to do

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firefighterontheside

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#26 posted 03-11-2017 10:15 PM

I just put a unifence on my grizzly that I got used. It came with a 36” fence and im used to a 41” so I’m buying the 43” version. The previous owner kissed the blade with the fence and so it has a minor ding that doesn’t affect it. I wish I had the original one too. It could come in handy at times.

-- Bill M. "People change, walnut doesn't" by Gene.

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teejk02

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#27 posted 03-11-2017 11:33 PM



Yeah that s exactly what the guy who sold me this so I told me to do

- CherryO

Before you start adding stuff, why don’t you get acquainted with the stock model?

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TheFridge

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#28 posted 03-12-2017 01:17 AM

I have a 70s model with 40lb 1.5hp motor that acts like a 3 horse. They just don’t make them like they used to.

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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CherryO

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#29 posted 03-12-2017 01:28 AM

” Good deal…..you wanna buy a 36” uni-T fence from peach tree for cheap?”

i think teejk has a good point about getting to know the saw first and that was kind of what my spidey sense told me when the seller suggested getting one.
Thank you though for offering. Feel free to Pm me details and maybe in a few weeks ill reach out.

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firefighterontheside

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#30 posted 03-12-2017 01:46 AM

That’s fine. I wasn’t really gonna try to sell it. If I put it on craigslist, I’m sure nobody would know what it was. I would only sell it to another LJ. I’ve been following this thread to see if you got the saw, then I saw it had a unifence. I can send you a PM so that you’ll have my info if you decide you want it. Enjoy.

-- Bill M. "People change, walnut doesn't" by Gene.

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#31 posted 03-12-2017 02:04 PM

I’ll tell ya’ I had the Uni T fence and used both it the OEM regularly. It’s about as handy as can be when you need to attach things to the fence. But, congrats on the saw…and I think you did get a steal.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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firefighterontheside

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#32 posted 03-12-2017 02:10 PM

Just this week I sold my similar aged Delta platinum contractor saw with grizzly fence, and rolling base with extended wing on the right for $500. Considering you got a unisaw with a router wing for $650. You did very well.

-- Bill M. "People change, walnut doesn't" by Gene.

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CherryO

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#33 posted 03-12-2017 02:33 PM

Thanks Bill and Fred! Getting more and more excited by the hour about the saw. Last night set it up with a more experienced friend and he was quite impressed with the condition and quality. I did find one allen hex bolt missing near the bevel wheel but no biggie ill just look on line. Plus i discovered he gave me four miter sleds not three and the router was beefier at 1.5hp vs the 1hp he advertised. So it keeps on giving.

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#34 posted 03-12-2017 03:00 PM

Wait, there was a router attached?

-- Bill M. "People change, walnut doesn't" by Gene.

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CherryO

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#35 posted 03-12-2017 03:06 PM

Yes he included it too! Craftsman 1.5hp older model but still works nicely. probably will add a lift to it. may sell my other router as would bring the cost of the saw down by about 50 bucks.

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firefighterontheside

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#36 posted 03-12-2017 03:15 PM

It’s hard to have too many routers….

-- Bill M. "People change, walnut doesn't" by Gene.

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#37 posted 03-12-2017 03:29 PM

haha! My father told that when i was growing up. he has eight or nine.

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000

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#38 posted 03-12-2017 03:40 PM

You got a great deal, Congrats

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