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What is the best powertoll in market?

by Dermos
posted 02-24-2017 03:25 AM


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#1 posted 02-24-2017 03:40 AM

I’m currently using Makita cordless tools again. No complaints. As far as cordless tools go, I started with a Makita drill around 1986. They were about the only cordless you could buy back then. Since then I’ve bought, Panasonic, Skil, DeWalt, Skil, Makita.

Besides the current drill/driver, impact kit I haven’t purchased any more of those multi tool kits. Past multi tool kits (several tools) I purchased I found that some of the tools included I didn’t get much use out of. I like the way many cordless tool makers are now selling individual tools allowing one to pick and choose just the tools needed.

I wish the batteries were cheaper. That’s where they seem to make there money off of me.

-- Darrell, making more sawdust than I know what to do with

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#2 posted 02-24-2017 03:50 AM

I’m been slowly switching to Bosch both elect. & 12v cordless. I’ve used Milwaukee tools for last 25 years but they’re not like they use to be. So now Bosch hand tools and Jet for big floor tools. I’m not saying Bosch is the best but I’ve been happy with em so far. The handles are comfortable and cushy soft / has less vibration and cords are long. The prices are about the same or even better as any other quality tool.

-- Youngsville, LA

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#3 posted 02-24-2017 04:16 AM

A lot of LJs scoff at Ryobi, but I have several of their cordless tools (drill, impact driver, 5 1/2” circular saw, caulking gun, and recently, airless stapler, and because I found it so handy, the 18 gauge brad nailer. All these tools have served me well. A couple of the lithium batteries (18 v.) are 4 or 5 years old, and still going strong. Got another pair during a recent sale so I can keep 2 or 3 tools going at the same time.

The one that didn’t work out so well was the cordless jig saw. The tool-less blade changer fell apart almost immediately.

I am not very impressed with their AC tools however—routers, drill presses, and bench top table saws. Haven’t tried their miter saw, as I have a Bosch Glide (which I found on CL)

-- I admit to being an adrenaline junky; fortunately, I'm very easily frightened

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#4 posted 02-24-2017 04:18 AM

Mafell

-- "Lack of effort will result in failure with amazing predictability" - Me

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#5 posted 02-24-2017 05:30 AM

I think OP is a spammer!

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#6 posted 02-24-2017 05:01 PM


I think OP is a spammer!

- papadan

Probably ^

But, just in case…
I don’t really think you can name any company as “best power tool”. Maybe Festool, but I’ll never know ‘cause I’ll never spend that kind of dough on a hobby. I wouldn’t trade my PC routers for anything, even a Festool. On the other hand, PC doesn’t make a table saw or CMS I would even consider. I love my Craftsman Bandsaw but, it’s the exact same as the Rikon so I can’t really say the Cman is superior. Etc…

Truth is, I have a Craftsman bandsaw and a Craftsman drill press, a Hitachi CMS and Hitachi belt/disk sander and 2 Porter Cable routers. Other than that, I think all of my power tools are made by different companies. Oh wait, lathe and planer are both Delta…

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#7 posted 02-24-2017 06:16 PM

Spammer, troll or not, I’m going on a rant. I am sick and tired of what I call disposable cordless tools that seem to be prevalent, at least in my experience – and I’m not talking about Black and Decker or Ryobi.

I’m basically a DW man, although I have to so some of their “consumer” type tools are not that great IMO. I have a 12V drill. About a year and one battery goes out, you know the drill :-) A batter is $50 the whole drill kit is $99.
So I get another drill kit figuring 3 batteries, 2 chargers, 2 drills. EXCEPT THEY MAKE A MINUTE CHANGE TO THE BATTERIES AND AREN’T INTERCHANGEABLE!!!!

Same thing happened with a 12V Ridgid set. Until I ended up with 1 working battery and 1 charger and 1 drill, then the last battery died. Throw it away.

Bought a Bosch 12V impact driver. 2 years out with very mild use, either the batteries or the motor itself is dying.

Many years ago, I bought a 19.2V Porter Cable kit. It had a GREAT 1/2” impact drill, a sawzall, circ saw and light. It lasted me around 10 years until the batteries finally started going bad and then the charger quit (no replacment parts avalalble). With a $100 trade in I swapped it for a PC lithium ion kit. The drill is a POJ very weak even with the torque set all the way up. Finally one of those batteries has gone out and now that its 3 or 4 years old, I’m expecting batteries and chargers are no longer available.

These are supposed to be 2 quality names, right?

Thought I’d never say this, but the next drill/driver kit I buy is going to be Ryobi. If I’ve got to throw them away after a couple years I might as well save some money.

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#8 posted 02-24-2017 06:33 PM

Ryobi is the only company that has specifically stated they will not change battery format, I can’t remember when they did so but I do know they haven’t changed anything since that statement was made.

-- "Lack of effort will result in failure with amazing predictability" - Me

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#9 posted 02-24-2017 06:56 PM



Hey
Have used Dewault powertools alot.
I have tought i could try something else too.
I work with aluminium.
And looking from internet i did find information about Makita.

Check out:
http://ebay.to/2fVHm8X

Any one have any experience with Makita ?

Found good toolkit online and im about to buy it.

- Dermos

Buy it and then you can post a review of how they work out for you.

-- Handcrafted by Mike Henderson - Channelview, Texas

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#10 posted 02-24-2017 06:57 PM

My tool collection is all over the board. That is because THERE IS NOT a best tool company. That includes Festool.

On the latter, the local hardwood supplier got rid of his Kapex and replaced it with a Hitachi because the Kapex couldn’t handle the load put on it for handling customer cutting requests.

Myself, I have a Bosch miter and like it. Dust collection could be better, but that’s what hoods are made for.

At least three of my drills are Milwaukees. One of the big ones is a Porter Cable. The one dedicated to my pocket hole jig is a Dewalt. I have a couple Bosch hammer drills. For cordless, I have a Makita, a Dewalt and a Panasonic. Each of these shines at what they do, though the Panasonic cordless drill and impact are my favored ones.

For circular saw work, I have a Porter Cable Saw Boss that really shines for jobs that require me working over my head. The nuisance of the cord is made tolerable that it never runs out of power. For general work, I like my Dewalt hybrid. For serious work, my Skill worm drive is a go to machine.

For Multitools, I’m probably prejudice and will stay with my Fein Multitool.

For routers, I have five Porter Cables, a Trend, a big Hiltachi, a couple Bosch Colts, and a Dewalt. All of them are great, but other versions (sizes) of given brand may not be as impressive.

For sanders, I “had” 1/4 sheet Bosch that was garbage the day I bought it. Today, I have a relatively new Porter Cable, which came with a crap switch. On the other hand, I have three other Porter Cables, one is a 3×21 belt, that are great. A Porter Cable 1/4 was great, but died of old age and was replaced with the one with a defective switch. I gave a friend my 3×21 Dewalt sander, which I didn’t care for. I just added a Festool [because of the recent promotion], but it will not replace my PC random orbit for hogging material, though its bigger brother might.

It’s the same thing with big equipment- I’m all over the board there too.

In the end, your best be is to research each item. Use resources like Amazon reviews, which can help a lot.

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#11 posted 02-24-2017 07:17 PM

Ryobi’s 18 volt batteries work with all their 18 v. tools, but they have come out with 2 or 3 configurations that vary in storage capacity (amp hours). I like the biggest ones because they are so light weight that that is never a concern for me.

rwe: As I said above, I have Ryobi Lithium batteries at least 4 or 5 years old that have never showed signs of weakening. The drill driver has never faltered, though admittedly I don’t do much driving with it as I like the impact driver better. That particular tool is from the old “blue” era, which shows how old it is. Has never whimpered or complained no matter how heavily I use it.

I probably would have liked the jig saw just fine if the tool less blade changing set up hadn’t crapped out.

-- I admit to being an adrenaline junky; fortunately, I'm very easily frightened

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#12 posted 02-25-2017 03:01 AM

Since we are running with this topic despite the trolls, I’ll throw in my issue with the current trends in tools. Namely that the (mostly justified) rush to cordless leaves the tool buyer in a quandary. The battery is about half the purchase price of the tool, and so to avoid the costs of too many batteries and chargers, you get sucked in to the “brand ecosystem”. But as stated above, no one company makes the best of everything.

When all the tools plugged in, the Milwaukee holeshooter was compatible with the Bosch hammer drill. Thanks to the tyranny of convenience, some of my tools are perhaps not the first choice otherwise.

On the plus side, I think the cordless market is finally maturing as battery tech is able to pack stunning amounts of energy into small lightweight packages.

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#13 posted 02-25-2017 03:16 AM

For what it’s worth, though I own several different manufacturers, I’ve always been most impressed with (corded, not battery) Makita and Milwaukee.

-- Every tree is a Chistmas tree with its gifts hidden inside.

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#14 posted 02-25-2017 03:24 AM

They’re all made in China, so what difference does it make?

-- When I was a kid I wanted to be older . . . . . this CRAP is not what I expected ! RIP 09/08/2018

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#15 posted 02-25-2017 03:54 AM

Namely that the (mostly justified) rush to cordless leaves the tool buyer in a quandary. The battery is about half the purchase price of the tool…

Certainly true for some… but battery packs for my Makita drills can be had for about $20 a piece new, and thanks to increases in battery technology over the years, they are roughly twice the capacity of the originals and will last several years of normal use. As an extra bonus, the tools and chargers can be found on CL for a fraction of their original cost. I picked up a Makita set a few months ago that had the carrying case, drill, two flashlights, three battery packs (two used and one new) and two chargers for $30 and 15 minutes drive time.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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#16 posted 02-25-2017 05:33 AM

A new 4.0 Ah battery for my Makita driver-drill is about $100. It is such a light, powerful fabulous tool that I barely begrudge the price, and I grunt every time I pick up my older Dewalt 18V tool. And that Makita seems to run for days between charges.
But there aren’t many other Makita cordless items that are high on my list. Their cordless 18ga nailer is so poorly reviewed I resigned myself to a Ryobi that shares a battery with the leaf blower!

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#17 posted 02-25-2017 06:12 AM

Brad, what Makita drill batteries are you getting for $20 a piece new? Where do you buy them? I haven’t bought any new Makita batteries in almost 1 1/2 years. The best prices I’ve ever found is $100 for two 18v 3.0 Ah lithium-ion. Typically I’ve paid $100 a piece for the same battery.

Dermos, for what it’s worth of the different brands of of power tools there is no best brand. Different brands of tools tend to be better at a particular task. A lot can be said for ergonomics, get a tool that you are comfortable using. While it’s not always the case, the price of the tool usually has a direct correlation with the quality of the tool. Also, if it’s a tool you like, consider buying the same tool again after the tool has become worn out. This will gives you a collection of usable parts (triggers, brushes, brush caps, adjustment levers, chucks, etc..) for the future.

One important consideration when purchasing a cordless tool is the way the battery is held in the tool. Stay away from cordless tools where the battery is inserted into the tool and only held in place by plastic clips. They tend to break if the tool is ever dropped onto a hard surface, even from a moderate distance.

Buy cordless tools where the battery slides along a track and will stay in the tool even if not fully seated and clipped into place.

RogR, I knew Makita was offering 4.0 & 5.0 batteries. $100 for a 4.0 doesn’t sound bad considering what I’ve paid in the past. I’m good on batteries for a while, maybe I can get a 2 pac of 5.0s for $100 at this years contractor luncheon.

-- Darrell, making more sawdust than I know what to do with

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#18 posted 02-25-2017 06:20 AM

Brad, what Makita drill batteries are you getting for $20 a piece new? Where do you buy them?
- devann

I get them wherever I find them the cheapest :)

Here is a two pack on Amazon for $30 (or $15 a piece and free shipping)

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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#19 posted 02-25-2017 07:52 AM

Thanks Brad. At that price, I was wondering if you were referring to the older NiCads. Because I sometimes have employees using my tools. I’ve stopped using that configuration of the way batteries are mounted into the tools long ago. The clips that hold the battery in place are too easily damaged from falls. We end up holding the battery in place with one hand and pulling the trigger with the other. Prefer the newer design configuration most manufacturers are using, where the battery slides in place like a drawer along a track.

-- Darrell, making more sawdust than I know what to do with

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#20 posted 02-25-2017 08:24 AM


I think OP is a spammer!

- papadan

Probably ^

But, just in case…
I don t really think you can name any company as “best power tool”. Maybe Festool, but I ll never know cause I ll never spend that kind of dough on a hobby. I wouldn t trade my PC routers for anything, even a Festool. On the other hand, PC doesn t make a table saw or CMS I would even consider. I love my Craftsman Bandsaw but, it s the exact same as the Rikon so I can t really say the Cman is superior. Etc…

Truth is, I have a Craftsman bandsaw and a Craftsman drill press, a Hitachi CMS and Hitachi belt/disk sander and 2 Porter Cable routers. Other than that, I think all of my power tools are made by different companies. Oh wait, lathe and planer are both Delta…

- HokieKen

Ive seen a teardown of one of festool’s saws. it was not worth the $1000 price tag in any way. realistically it just depends on the tool and your price point. some are better from one company or another

-- tools are only as good as the hands that hold them https://www.custommade.com/by/emeraldcrafts/

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#21 posted 02-25-2017 09:28 AM



They re all made in China, so what difference does it make?

- Jimbo4

That is far from true.

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#22 posted 02-25-2017 09:52 AM

Ive seen a teardown of one of festool s saws. it was not worth the $1000 price tag in any way. realistically it just depends on the tool and your price point. some are better from one company or another

- emart

Ahh the infamous AvE video. AvE can be very informative BUT you have to be informed enough going in to seperate fact from sensationalism.

For example the tool in question does not cost $1,000, even in “Canadian Pesos” the currency os AvE’s homeland.

The problem is the metric should not be build quality as determined by a non-power tool designing engineer but in performance and it is hard to knock the performance of the TS55. The Mafell is better but it is priced higher as well, the MT55cc is closer to a 1,000 tool but still not quite there.

The vast majority of those that think Festool prices are rediculous have never lived with and used their tools and have not compared them to other tools at similar price points, both lower and higher. In the end value is a key component in how one judges a tool and that is personal and there are often times I knowingly buy a cheaper tool that is not as capable/accurate/efficient than a more expensive tool but that is based on my own cost benefit analysis but it doesn’t allow me to proclaim the more expensive one is in no way worth its price as it most likely is to a lot of other people otherwise it wouldn’t sell.

In the end there is no one “best” especially one manufacturer that does the best of every tool and even if you limited it to one tool value is a metric that bleeds bias into almost every reviewer coupled with the particular tasks one plans to use it for. A simple example of bias regarding ones usage is at the very beginning of the AvE TS 55 teardown, he has no clue about the usefulness of the detachable power cord (PlugIt), if you ask almost any Festool oner/user about it they will tell you how much they wish every tool came with one but most everyone of them probably saw it the first time and thought “why?”.

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#23 posted 02-25-2017 08:31 PM



At that price, I was wondering if you were referring to the older NiCads. Because I sometimes have employees using my tools. I ve stopped using that configuration of the way batteries are mounted into the tools long ago.

- devann


I was a NiCad holdout for quite a long while but it wasn’t the broken clips that pushed me over the line, it was the amazing power, longevity and light weight of the new tech. At this point you would have to pry my Makita Li-ion from my dead hand but I wouldn’t even tussle with you for the Dewalt NiCad.

I heard from a Milwaukee sales rep that they are anticipating the elimination of corded tools entirely from the lineup in the very near future. I snorted with disbelief but obviously, they have a much clearer image of the event horizon than I do.

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#24 posted 02-25-2017 11:09 PM

I’d be hard pressed to believe Milwaukee is going to drop corded tools anytime soon. Assertions they are considering it sounds akin to something a “computer guru” told me. He claimed they were doing away with keyboards. I laughed. I can’t see someone reaching up to a touch screen to type, or trying to talk their way through cutting and pasting and so on in a forty page document.

Lithium and such is impressive and it’s likely more impressive replacements in the making, but they couldn’t keep up with the demands of, for example a commercial shop.

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#25 posted 02-26-2017 01:12 AM

So is the OP a troll, or just a person that only checks the forum every 100 days? With that said, I am outta here.

-- Handcrafted by Mike Henderson - Channelview, Texas

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#26 posted 02-26-2017 01:40 AM

I don’t get why somebody would bother to troll a woodworking forum…..

-- Every tree is a Chistmas tree with its gifts hidden inside.

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#27 posted 02-26-2017 01:54 AM

I don’t get why somebody would bother to troll a woodworking forum…

Because companies are interested why people hate a certain brand. Unfortunately, they aren’t willing to listen to why. They know they are hated, they even know why thy are hated. But they are looking for something, ANYTHING to make them less hated other than the simple fact that they should value their customers more than their profit. Ironically, that may even lead to greater profit!

Are you listening, @$$holes that paid Dermos in the first place?

-- "Find out what you cannot do and then go do it!"

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