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Now what?

by Don Stephenson
posted 02-21-2017 03:21 AM


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Lazyman

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#1 posted 02-21-2017 03:34 AM

Beer and good friends. I prefer IPAs. Unfortunately, Ohio is a little too far from Texas for me to drive for a beer.

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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Don Stephenson

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#2 posted 02-21-2017 04:15 AM

But what if it was a really, really good beer? Heck, I’ll double it. TWO beers.

-- Don Stephenson, Ohio, https://www.facebook.com/realdealwoodwork/

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Kelly

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#3 posted 02-21-2017 04:57 AM

I’m a far from young and otherwise broken goods, still, I manage to move big toys. Something like this, I’d just lift one end, then the other. Each time, raising it a bit more.

In doing this, I’d take precautions to insure what was on the opposite end could not move.

Similar to this is my big lathe top. I “might” be able to lift it, but I know I lift an end. That’s how I got it from my truck into the shop and, eventually, back on top the base.

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Sadly, this isn’t in the back of a pickup. I was able to just lift and push my 8” Grizzly out of its crate onto the bed of my pickup, then pull it onto the fully assembled base, using the foam packing as a pad. In the end, it was a cake walk.

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Redoak49

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#4 posted 02-21-2017 05:16 AM

I had the same problem with a couple of tools. I got an HF engine lift on sale and with a coupon and have used it quite a few times. It folds up nicely. It was a great investment

You can do it other a little at a time on each end and block it up.

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MerylL

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#5 posted 02-21-2017 05:23 AM

If you have exposed rafters in your workspace (or floor joists above), you could lag-bolt a cross-member across 3 or 4 of them, and use a come-along. They are pretty inexpensive. I borrowed one for a few days when I rebuilt my planer, to get the cutter-head assembly off. None of this is that heavy… just heavy for us to lift by ourselves, so it doesn’t take much bolting.

If no rafters exposed, find them with a stud-finder, and do it that way. I would through-bolt an eye-bolt through a 2×6 x 34”, and lag that into the ceiling rafters. But if they are exposed, just throw a strap over the cross-member.

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Maximum

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#6 posted 02-21-2017 07:54 AM

I go with the friends and beer route. Maybe some pizza…

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Don Stephenson

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#7 posted 02-21-2017 05:22 PM

Certainly hope it doesn’t come to that, but it does make sense…


If you have exposed rafters in your workspace (or floor joists above), you could lag-bolt a cross-member across 3 or 4 of them, and use a come-along. They are pretty inexpensive. I borrowed one for a few days when I rebuilt my planer, to get the cutter-head assembly off. None of this is that heavy… just heavy for us to lift by ourselves, so it doesn t take much bolting.

If no rafters exposed, find them with a stud-finder, and do it that way. I would through-bolt an eye-bolt through a 2×6 x 34”, and lag that into the ceiling rafters. But if they are exposed, just throw a strap over the cross-member.

- MerylL


-- Don Stephenson, Ohio, https://www.facebook.com/realdealwoodwork/

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Don Stephenson

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#8 posted 02-21-2017 05:24 PM

I thought that might be a good way to go. They’ve got a 1-ton lift right now for about $175. Might need to check that out.


I had the same problem with a couple of tools. I got an HF engine lift on sale and with a coupon and have used it quite a few times. It folds up nicely. It was a great investment

You can do it other a little at a time on each end and block it up.

- Redoak49


-- Don Stephenson, Ohio, https://www.facebook.com/realdealwoodwork/

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Don Stephenson

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#9 posted 02-21-2017 05:25 PM

Gonna try this first. Can’t hurt. And it’s not like I wasn’t going to buy pizza and beer at some point anyway.


I go with the friends and beer route. Maybe some pizza…

- Maximum


-- Don Stephenson, Ohio, https://www.facebook.com/realdealwoodwork/

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mudflap4869

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#10 posted 02-21-2017 05:51 PM

1 & 1/2 ” x 21’ pipe across the 2”x 6” rafters in in my shop. I can move my come-along any where on the pipe and pick up just about anything with it and a couple of tied-own straps. It helps when my 30 YO son comes to do most of the work.

-- Still trying to master kindling making

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#11 posted 02-21-2017 07:04 PM

Check Craigslist for engine hoists. I got my almost new 2 Ton hoist for $50. The guy had finished overhauling his Jag and was pretty sure (he told me) that he was never going to work on an engine again.

That said…

Patience and brainpower beats backpower most of the time. You can figure out a way to use leverage etc to your advantage. I know a good way, but it takes too long to explain without pictures and it would take me too long make a drawing. But a child of 6 is strong enough to do it, with the aid of a few 2×4 and smaller, flexible poles and the right technique.

I’ll look for a link.
... OK here it is, but no pictures.
-Paul

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bonesbr549

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#12 posted 02-21-2017 09:16 PM



Check Craigslist for engine hoists. I got my almost new 2 Ton hoist for $50. The guy had finished overhauling his Jag and was pretty sure (he told me) that he was never going to work on an engine again.

That said…

Patience and brainpower beats backpower most of the time. You can figure out a way to use leverage etc to your advantage. I know a good way, but it takes too long to explain without pictures and it would take me too long make a drawing. But a child of 6 is strong enough to do it, with the aid of a few 2×4 and smaller, flexible poles and the right technique.

I ll look for a link.
... OK here it is, but no pictures.
-Paul

- Ocelot

Rent one. I did when my 12” griz showed up. It was put together, but I had to get it off the steel pallet it was on. Bought two straps from harbour freight that could hold 1k lbs and strapped it and bada bing done. It was years ago but I think it cost my 20$ a day.

-- Sooner or later Liberals run out of other people's money.

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Lazyman

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#13 posted 02-21-2017 10:04 PM

Not sure how heavy the thing is but if you decide to use the rafters to lift it, make sure that you spread the load across at least 3 or 4 of them. I also wouldn’t use a come-along for lifting unless it is rated for a vertical load. Harbor Freight sells a chain hoist for $50 and you might be able to get one on Craigs list for less. While you are at HF, might as well get 1 or 2 of their lifting slings for $10 as well.

But I like the beer and pizza method the best. Gives you a chance to show off your new toy to your friends.

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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AandCstyle

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#14 posted 02-21-2017 10:48 PM

Don, if you go the beer/pizza route be careful about lifting the top from the ends. I seem to recall that it is better to keep the lifting points close to the center to avoid getting the tables out of co-planer if lifted from the ends. If you use nylon straps to lift it, cushion them where they come in contact with sharp corners. I once had a square edge cut through a 1” strap after about 2” of lift. HTH

-- Art

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waho6o9

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#15 posted 02-21-2017 10:51 PM

https://delaware.craigslist.org/search/sss?query=engine%20hoist&sort=rel

Slim pickings out your way, but something might work for you.

Good luck now.

Maybe rent something like a cherry picker.

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Kelster58

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#16 posted 02-22-2017 12:48 AM

Lot’s of good ideas here. I would not use floor joists, too much down side if there’s a problem. Renting an engine hoist is a great idea. Friends and beer sounds like fun.

-- K. Stone “Tell me and I forget, teach me and I may remember, involve me and I learn.” ― Benjamin Franklin

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MerylL

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#17 posted 02-22-2017 01:09 AM

I disagree with Kelster. Here’s why. If it is light enough for a couple of guys with beers to move, it is no heavier than any bathtub filled with water and a person. The only precaution needs to be to span 3 or 4 joists. But other than that… pfft! For perspective, I once had almost 2,000 records hanging from chains lagged into the ceiling joists of every apartment I rented. Heck, during earthquakes, you’d hear a light squeak squeak, but they didn’t move. The rest of the building moved. lol – Anyway, that was many hundreds of pounds on just 2 joists, with 3/8” lag hooks. So this (relatively) small jointer table is not even an issue. I’d put money on it!

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clin

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#18 posted 02-22-2017 04:18 AM

Another vote for buddies and beer. Just make sure the job gets done before the beer drinking.

-- Clin

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WoodES

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#19 posted 02-22-2017 04:33 AM

Using the rafter idea, the hand wench can be used to lift this too. Don’t use the hand crank, but add a lock nut to the crankshaft, then you can use a drill driver to turn the crankshaft. Save the beers for your self and enjoy…

http://www.harborfreight.com/2000-lb-capacity-geared-winch-5798.html

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Lazyman

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#20 posted 02-22-2017 04:41 AM

Hand crank winches like that are not designed for lifting a heavy load vertically. For $20 more you can get a hoist specifically designed for lifting.

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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MerylL

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#21 posted 02-22-2017 05:08 AM

I must correct myself and agree… use a hoist designed for a vertical lift. The one I borrowed was. I incorrectly said come-along and steered us down a wrong path. My apologies and thanks to the guys correcting me!

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Matt Rogers

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#22 posted 02-22-2017 01:13 PM

A chain hoist is very useful when you have large tools. Personally, I wish I had gotten at least one that has a lever handle so that I could use it to move items sideways too. The standard chain hoists/chain falls only tolerate a slight amount of angle from vertical before the chain starts to bind up.

I also do a lot of house construction and I would not be worried about using floor joists for lifting. Floor joists are rated for deflection and not for failure so the total load to failure is many times the rated load. I would be more worried about a 2×4 with lags going up into the bottom of the joists, but those will still be fine for a light load like this. We are not talking about 1000 pounds. That cast iron top is probably only 200-300 pounds.

-- Matt Rogers, http://www.cleanairwoodworks.com and http://www.cleanairyurts.com

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Don Stephenson

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#23 posted 02-22-2017 05:37 PM

I spoke w/tech support at Shop Fox, and they minced no words regarding lifting the cast iron tables on the ends…just don’t ever do it. Their concern was obviously about making the tables not coplaner, and having to do a lot of work to get them coplaner again. In the manual, they suggest using what looks like tow straps to lift it at the innermost points of the left and right tables, and connecting the straps to some sort of lift (engine lift is mentioned). Honestly, I think that’s the way I’m gonna go for this… I’ll pick up one of those Harbor Freight specials for $175 and avoid any injuries to myself and my beer-drinking buddies. The way I see it, I spent a grand on this sucker, what’s a little more coin to make sure it doesn’t get tweaked?

Thanks again for all of your awesome advice. Hopefully one day I can have enough know-how and experience like you all have to help out someone else that’s just starting out like I am now.

-- Don Stephenson, Ohio, https://www.facebook.com/realdealwoodwork/

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waho6o9

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#24 posted 02-22-2017 05:44 PM

That’s a wise move Don congrats on your new jointer and have fun making saw dust.

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Lazyman

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#25 posted 02-23-2017 01:03 AM

While you are at Harbor Freight, you might want to get a couple,of their lifting straps too. It’ll help protect the paint finish.

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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Ocelot

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#26 posted 03-09-2017 05:33 PM

It sounds like you got it covered. Meanwhile I found a link to a better presentation of the John Cunningham concept.

http://www.jcsculptor.org/Sculpture.html

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