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Unbelievable

by woodbutcherbynight
posted 01-29-2017 03:27 AM


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#1 posted 01-29-2017 03:57 AM

WOW All I can say is WOW, , amazing story for all the wrong reasons.

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woodbutcherbynight

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#2 posted 01-29-2017 04:42 AM

Insanity squared!!! LOL

-- Live to tell the stories, they sound better that way.

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#3 posted 01-29-2017 04:54 AM

As a friend always says, you can’t fix stupid .

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#4 posted 01-29-2017 05:04 AM

That guy should not be ALLOWED to even own a screwdriver!

-- Wood rescue is good for the environment and me! just rjR

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#5 posted 01-29-2017 12:18 PM

This is so sad that someone cut their thumb off. That is a terrible thing and not certain that I would be laughing. Stupid..yes. Funny…No.

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#6 posted 01-29-2017 12:40 PM

I was very fortunate in that I was brought up in a household where I was taught how to use my hands and in school we had several levels of wood shop & metal shop. These basic skills are no longer taught outside of trade or technical schools despite the obscene property taxes far too many people are having to pay. I have to educate my children entirely on my own how to make things and do so safely, where does that leave those who’s parents lack such knowledge to be able to pass down? Technology is great in that fewer people need to have such broad knowledge but more important might be to have a grasp on what you don’t understand! My greatest fear is this country will be full of baristas and phone app writers in 20 years and very, very few people will actually know how to do anything for themselves.

-- "Lack of effort will result in failure with amazing predictability" - Me

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#7 posted 01-29-2017 02:36 PM


We get to talking and he explains it kicks back wood right back into his gut every time he goes to cut a board. Figuring he was shoving it through to hard I asked him to show me. Imagine my surprise when he gets on the wrong side of the saw and grabs a board to start. Yup, had no idea what he was doing, at all. Very scary and I am surprised he did not kill himself. Upon further checking he also has the blade in backwards.
- woodbutcherbynight

Blade in backwards or otherwise….how was he getting kickbacks in the gut if he was standing on the wrong side of the table saw?

-- “Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something.” – Plato

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000

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#8 posted 01-29-2017 03:14 PM

”How I managed to not laugh and actually sound sincere as she told me is a miracle”
- woodbutcherbynight

I don’t share the same sense of humor I guess.
I don’t find it funny when anybody cuts off a digit.
Myself, I would feel guilty that I didn’t teach him how to use a push stick.

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#9 posted 01-29-2017 03:22 PM


Blade in backwards or otherwise….how was he getting kickbacks in the gut if he was standing on the wrong side of the table saw?

- Tony_S

Good question to which I have no answer. I stopped him before he actually tried to cut a board.


This is so sad that someone cut their thumb off. That is a terrible thing and not certain that I would be laughing. Stupid..yes. Funny…No.

- Redoak49

I agree, my held in laughter was from listening to her go off how he was a idiot and who was going to clean up the mess, topped off by taking away his saw.

-- Live to tell the stories, they sound better that way.

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woodbutcherbynight

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#10 posted 01-29-2017 03:38 PM



”How I managed to not laugh and actually sound sincere as she told me is a miracle”
- woodbutcherbynight

I don t share the same sense of humor I guess.
I don t find it funny when anybody cuts off a digit.
Myself, I would feel guilty that I didn t teach him how to use a push stick.

- jbay

In his own writing I had him underline keep hands away from sawblade, use supplied pushstick. I am sure you have met such impulsive, hyper people in life, all the warnings in the world and they will still ignore you because they are in a hurry.

-- Live to tell the stories, they sound better that way.

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#11 posted 01-29-2017 03:56 PM

I hear you, sometimes you can’t protect people from themselves.

I remember one summer when I was pumping gas a guy, with his family, who were all dressed for a day at the beach, pulled in with an overheating car. He wanted me to pop the radiator cap and fill it up. I told him park it and let it cool off. Two minutes later he was bugging me again. I told him if you pop the cap it’s likely to gush coolant all over you and it’s not safe. Two minutes after that I hear a scream. You can guess what the genius did, in his little beach jacket, unzipped to the waist. I still remember the stream of green liquid spraying him in the chest.

Then he wanted to know what we had for burns. I pointed him to a hospital.

-- John

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#12 posted 01-29-2017 06:12 PM

One upside of this people like that keep contractors in business. That guy has no business owning any tool. woodbutcher i think you did everything you could to show him the correct way. what else were you supposed to do stand by and supervise everything he did.

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#13 posted 01-29-2017 07:43 PM

As I was telling someone, yesterday, “[s]ometimes, ignorance is really just stupid and cannot be fixed.”


As a friend always says, you can t fix stupid .

- a1Jim


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#14 posted 01-29-2017 07:47 PM

There is a difference between stupid and uneducated.
When I 1st started I had a radial arm saw.
I fed it from the wrong end and boards would fly.
I’m not stupid, I was just never taught how to use it, hence (uneducated).
Some things take a bit to catch onto.

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#15 posted 01-29-2017 08:28 PM



When I 1st started I had a radial arm saw.
I fed it from the wrong end and boards would fly.
- jbay

Back in ‘the day’......we might have done this on purpose with cutoffs…..there might have been beer involved…..

-- “Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something.” – Plato

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#16 posted 01-29-2017 09:38 PM


Back in the day …...we might have done this on purpose with cutoffs…..there might have been beer involved…..

- Tony_S

ROFL

-- Live to tell the stories, they sound better that way.

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#17 posted 01-29-2017 10:37 PM

Hmmm Sounds a lot more fun, if it were on purpose (really are gonna need beer – lots of it).

When I 1st started I had a radial arm saw.
I fed it from the wrong end and boards would fly.
- jbay

Back in the day …...we might have done this on purpose with cutoffs…..there might have been beer involved…..

- Tony_S


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#18 posted 01-29-2017 10:42 PM

The difference is, you were more teachable, even if you were teaching yourself. The guy in the story sounded like a few I’ve met who were merely ignorant in many things, but down right stupid in others. People can be both, which is why the television series Big Bang Theory is so popular – we get to watch it in action (and it turns attention away from us ).


There is a difference between stupid and uneducated.
When I 1st started I had a radial arm saw.
I fed it from the wrong end and boards would fly.
I m not stupid, I was just never taught how to use it, hence (uneducated).
Some things take a bit to catch onto.

- jbay


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woodbutcherbynight

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#19 posted 01-30-2017 02:16 AM

Something to take away from this is that once you are that frustrated it is time to walk away for the day. It is like quicksand, the more you struggle the worse it gets. These days everyone is in a hurry to get things done, my grandfather would often say if you had time to do it twice you had plenty of time to do it right the first time.

-- Live to tell the stories, they sound better that way.

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#20 posted 01-30-2017 04:26 PM



I agree, my held in laughter was from listening to her go off how he was a idiot and who was going to clean up the mess, topped off by taking away his saw.

The next time we hear about the one-thumbed guy might be as a Darwin award winner.

-- Steve

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#21 posted 01-30-2017 06:43 PM

OK…...this guy was an idiot and paid dearly for it.

But, we need to encourage people to get into our woodworking passion.

What would have been the best way to handle this. Should one spend the time to teach the idiot or leave him alone?

I would not want to teach anyone unless I felt they were committed to learning properly.

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#22 posted 01-30-2017 07:13 PM



.... and just shoved it through. She watched it happen and screamed at him but to no avail. Cut off his right hand thumb and when he let go the board flipped up and whacked him in the skull, blood everywhere she explained.

- woodbutcherbynight

-- “If Jesus had been killed twenty years ago, Catholic school children would be wearing little electric chairs around their necks instead of crosses.” ― Lenny Bruce

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#23 posted 01-31-2017 12:44 AM

Wow

So it was a contractors saw, was he stradeling the motor trying to feed the wood? Guess he wasn’t using the fence, I don’t understand how someone is feeding the wood from the wrong direction if they are using the fence, splitter, riving knife whatever.

I could kinda sorta understand if they had a $99 skil that was missing half the pieces from a garage sell. This guy spent upward of $1k on this saw, he bought a jet for some reason, I would think.

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#24 posted 01-31-2017 02:59 AM

I really have no idea why he would work so hard to try and cut from the wrong side. It just looked so wrong as I watched him so confident all was okay. Being extremely frustrated when he tried to show me he may have just had a moment. Kinda hard for me to see how the wood would kick him in the gut if the blade should have thrown the board away from him. I did true up the fence but it was not that far out so who knows. I have a good friend who had a Father in law that would drive wood through a saw as hard and fast as he could, burned up every saw he ever touched.

This was a neighbors buddy, not someone I knew until Saturday. People that hyper I tend to shy away from, okay mostly I keep to myself anyway but that hurry up get it done 2 days ago drives me nuts. It will be done when it is done. Might also explain why I refuse to do woodworking projects for anyone other than myself. It is a hobby, I enjoy it.

-- Live to tell the stories, they sound better that way.

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#25 posted 01-31-2017 03:13 AM

you did what you could bud. That dude sounds like the type who doesn’t have enough time to bleed his brakes properly.

Edit: ditto your last statement.

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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#26 posted 01-31-2017 06:54 PM

Maybe he was cutting from the wrong side in an attempt to not get the board kicked back into his gut?

The first time I used a table saw was at a summer job I had, they had a small benchtop bolted to a table, no fence, no miter gage etc and told me to cut some 2×4s into 2 ft sections so I went about it by having a hand on each side of the board and the one in my left hand shot out of my hand across the shop floor. That put me off using a table saw for a long time, I was 20 at the time, had shop in school but we were only allowed to use the hand tools.

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#27 posted 01-31-2017 08:24 PM

Yeesh, this is scary. I’m glad that someone along the way taught me to be patient, set things up properly, use PPE, and understand what you’re using (combination of Norm and my grandpa, dad was a painter…not a lot of power tools there). To this day, thanks to the misfortune of using crappy tools along the way, the best part of a new toy for me is the setup/reading the manual/watching demos. Far easier to enjoy the process when you know the results it nets.

This does, however, remind me of my other grandpa (not the same one mentioned before). My dad passed along a story of him assembling one of my uncle’s bikes when they were kids. He had to drill a hole in a metal piece, and was bracing it with his thumb directly behind where he was drilling. Dad and his brothers made some objections, at which point they were promptly informed of there ignorance and told where to put their opinions. Bam, drill bit straight through the thumb, nail and all.

Then again, grandpa Chester was the kinda fella who considered operating tools at a BAC lower than .1 made you a tea-totaller, so that may have been a factor…

-- "Ladies, if your husband says he'll get to it, he'll get to it. No need to remind him about it every 6 months."

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#28 posted 01-31-2017 08:51 PM

I’ve never worked for anyone or been to school for woodworking, aside from high school. As to the latter, the teacher didn’t have time for any but a few students. As a result, I’m told my woodworking project is yet on display. The sign on it says, if you’ve done this, you flunked. I believe it ironic that, today, my woodworking skills pale that shop teachers skills and my shop exceeds the one I used in high school times over.

All that said, I still have all my fingers and thumbs. Part of that is because I have the sense to be afraid of what my tools can do to me. Accordingly, while others were [and are yet] using push sticks, I designed shoes that held the wood down far beyond my hand position, where I noted the wood wanted to lift, and that held my hand high above the blade. That has worked for me for over forty years and has, probably, been one of the primary reasons I suffered so few kickbacks [that were not expected].

Had this kid had a bit of fear (screw that respect crap), he’d have taken precautions.

A friend’s kid came over to my shop to learn a bit and the first thing I noted was, he had no [common sense] fear of my three horse saw. Fear would have kept him safe amidst his ignorance. As it was, we had a long talk about push shoes, fingers, how kick backs take place and what happens when they do.

P.S. I also run my Merlin Splitter religiously too, and that went a long ways to minimizing potential problems.

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#29 posted 02-10-2017 08:15 PM

Man, what a tough lesson to bring upon oneself. Doing something like that after receiving personal, one-on-one instruction almost makes me think the Dunning-Kruger effect was in play. I used to work with someone who didn’t recognize her own lack of skill/knowledge and also didn’t recognize expertise in others. As a result, training didn’t stick (or stick for long) and she went on making mistakes over and over. Fortunately, she didn’t operate hazardous equipment.

-- Brett — Peters Creek, Alaska

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#30 posted 02-11-2017 03:24 AM

Interesting they have studied this. Never heard of Dunning-Kruger effect so I looked it up. It fits, heck of a way to find out for this guy though!

-- Live to tell the stories, they sound better that way.

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#31 posted 02-11-2017 03:44 AM

Well that has got to be a thumbs down!
RTFM comes to mind.
Otherwise its got to be the best leg pull from the woodbutcherbynight yet.

-- Regards Rob

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#32 posted 02-12-2017 01:20 AM


Otherwise its got to be the best leg pull from the woodbutcherbynight yet.

- robscastle

LOL

-- Live to tell the stories, they sound better that way.

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#33 posted 02-12-2017 02:10 AM


Otherwise its got to be the best leg pull from the woodbutcherbynight yet.

- robscastle

LOL

- woodbutcherbynight

Now you’ve got me wondering about the title…

(Just kidding)

-- Quote from ebay tool listing: " Has nicks and dings wear and tear dust and dirt rust and pitting but in good working condition"

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#34 posted 02-12-2017 04:31 AM

LOL, I see alot of weird stuff at work everyday with what people do to their cars and trucks. I dont deal with them, just see the results of what they have done. To be one on one with someone like that was a true “unbelievable moment” for me. Such a nice saw and blade, you would expect someone that spent that kind of money to have some sense and idea of what to do with it. Nope…

-- Live to tell the stories, they sound better that way.

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#35 posted 02-13-2017 05:49 AM

I heard of a guy who cut off all eight fingers, he went straight to the doctor,
When he arrived the doctor he asked him why he did not bring the fingers so he could sew them back on.

-- Regards Rob

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#36 posted 02-13-2017 06:35 PM

I have a neighbor like this…I really do like him, but on a good day he has trouble pouring pi$$ from his boot. About a year ago he needed a board cut, so I did it for him…it was a rip, I had a riving knife on, but he went to grab the cut off, but he only moved it a little, but into the blade, it kicked back into my stomach….I lifted my shirt instantly to see if there was a hole…..there was a small abrasion, but man, it was quite a punch. I don’t mind when idiots hurt themselves, just leave me out of it…..now this story is not made to lessen the fact that that this guy lost his thumb, but just to show maybe we shouldn’t be around these kind of guys!!!

Needless to say, I see him…. wave to him, my wife gave him some Christmas candy, i’ll drink a beer with him, but he is not allowed in my shop!!!!
Mike

-- Mike

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#37 posted 02-14-2017 05:07 AM

Yeah I work alone for just that reason. Help in that form I never need… LOL. I will help out a neighbor or friend but it is with the idea you leave it, I will let you know when it is ready.

-- Live to tell the stories, they sound better that way.

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#38 posted 02-14-2017 10:12 PM



I have a neighbor like this…I really do like him, but on a good day he has trouble pouring pi$$ from his boot. About a year ago he needed a board cut, so I did it for him…it was a rip, I had a riving knife on, but he went to grab the cut off, but he only moved it a little, but into the blade, it kicked back into my stomach….I lifted my shirt instantly to see if there was a hole…..there was a small abrasion, but man, it was quite a punch. I don t mind when idiots hurt themselves, just leave me out of it…..now this story is not made to lessen the fact that that this guy lost his thumb, but just to show maybe we shouldn t be around these kind of guys!!!

Needless to say, I see him…. wave to him, my wife gave him some Christmas candy, i ll drink a beer with him, but he is not allowed in my shop!!!!
Mike

- moke

I would have probably taken that board and and bludgeoned him with it.

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#39 posted 02-14-2017 10:33 PM

Though I’m on my second Unisaw and have been making sawdust with it and a hundred different tools or pieces of equipment for forty years, I understand ignorance when it comes to saws and “helping” on the other end. Many have been the time I had to tell someone to “just leave it,” rather than trust they knew to catch it coming out and to not help it get there. In fact, I seem to, vaguely, remember being educated about such things by an operator five years ago.

On the other hand, I ALWAYS had enough sense to be scared of electrically driven machines that could make wood into sawdust. Anytime I had to be near a blade, something in my mind told me to be mindful of everything I did around it. In fact, that is why I made and was using push shoes decades before the Net and others becoming familiar with them.

On the other hand, I didn’t run a splitter on my saw until I bought a Merlin, twenty-five or so years into sawdust making. The push shoes went REMARKABLY far toward reducing or stopping kickbacks, but I wanted more, and the splitter has been nearly comparable to the shoes in reducing my need for paranoia about what a blade can do with a piece of wood.

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