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Woodsmith Tips

by papadan
posted 01-20-2017 06:41 PM


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#1 posted 01-20-2017 08:27 PM

Personally I enjoy readying /r/sh#ttywoodworking

Makes me feel better about myself.

-- Trust me I'm an engineer.

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#2 posted 01-20-2017 08:44 PM

Actually, I do get them. Every once in a while I’ll see something that makes me go “Hummmm”.

I still subscribe to the Woodsmith shop magazine, although I think the quality and content are not what they used to be. I really like the old Shopsmith magazine. Lots of projects- some of which I built and still use. When they combined the two, nothing seems as well written-at least to me.

-- Lew- Time traveler. Purveyor of the Universe's finest custom rolling pins.

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#3 posted 01-20-2017 09:00 PM

I read Woodsmith from the middle 80’s until early 2016. I dropped my subscription because, in my humble opinion as a long time reader/subscriber; the magazine had dumbed down so far as not to be worth the subscription price anymore. It was a great magazine when I first started reading it, and I had all of the issues from the beginning of my readership in binders. I got so sick of the BLAH content, that I gave all of my past issues away and cancelled my subscription. I wish it were not so, cause I really liked Woodsmith. But things have to go if they are not worth my monthly limited cash. I hope they pull out of their nosedive before they auger in, like so many other publications have. Oh well!

-- "Now I'm just another old guy wearing funny clothes"

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#4 posted 01-20-2017 11:12 PM

The entire woodworking magazine industry is struggling. I’m sure sites like LJ are a factor. When I can get on here and get input from countless knowledgeable woodworkers, I have less need to scour magazines for information.

My last issue of PW was only 68 pages, and FW was 92. I give them credit though, that they are trimming down their material rather than trying to bulk it up with junk.

I can’t let the subject of useless woodworking tips go by without tossing in this video from Family Handyman. The level of misinformation in it is maddening. This “editor” should be so ashamed of himself that he resigns. I’m not even going to detail what’s wrong with it, since you guys will know just by looking. If any newcomers to woodworking don’t get it, just ask and you’ll get an earful from me, and probably several others.

-- Knowledge is not skill. Knowledge plus ten thousand times is skill. -- Shinichi Suzuki

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#5 posted 01-20-2017 11:17 PM

The random orbital “vibrates” LMAO How does some get so wrong on a 1 minute video.

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#6 posted 01-20-2017 11:42 PM

LOL! if nitpicking were a sport, you guys would be ready for the Olympics.

And did I understand that because the current content of WS doesn’t measure up that all of the issues from the past 30 years are no longer worth having? While I agree that the since they switched to the Guild edition the magazine is not as good, I still find plenty of useful information from old editions. If any of you has an old tool that you love but a new one doesn’t measure up, be sure to let me know. I will be glad to take them both off your hands.

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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#7 posted 01-20-2017 11:48 PM

Yeah, and how about those “custom cut” sheets of paper? Fractions of a standard sheep of paper sheets are not custom. AND, he’s unaware that modern finishing sanders, like Festool and Makita, DO have dust collection.

-- Knowledge is not skill. Knowledge plus ten thousand times is skill. -- Shinichi Suzuki

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#8 posted 01-21-2017 12:02 AM

He didn’t show the dust port or how to hook it up to a shop vac.

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#9 posted 01-21-2017 01:01 AM

I’m guessing that most of use have gotten good enough over the decades that info that we once found helpful is below our level now, and of little interest. Still, a look at some of the old magazines from time to time will result in learning a new trick or jig to make.

But, no, I have no woodworking magazine subscriptions now. Between you guys, Utube, and a few good books, i pretty much have it covered (I think).

That said, there are still plenty of real beginners out there that need the basics that we already have.

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#10 posted 01-21-2017 03:01 AM

I see nothing wrong with the video and suggest some of you need a nappy.

-- I always suspected many gun nuts were afraid of something, just never thought popcorn was on the list.

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#11 posted 01-21-2017 03:21 AM

I enjoy the shop tips they are FREE. Yes some stuff is lame but every once in a while I see something that is good, even some of the stuff on Lumberjocks is lame and iffy but I still keep coming back because it not all bad.

-- If you are not willing to learn, No one can help you. If you are determined to learn, No one can stop you.

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#12 posted 01-21-2017 03:22 AM



I see nothing wrong with the video and suggest some of you need a nappy.

- RobS888


Evidently you have no idea how a random orbit works, LOL

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#13 posted 01-21-2017 05:34 AM

Little early for Friday night drunk posting

-- Rick M, http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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#14 posted 01-21-2017 05:36 AM



I enjoy the shop tips they are FREE. Yes some stuff is lame but every once in a while I see something that is good, even some of the stuff on Lumberjocks is lame and iffy but I still keep coming back because it not all bad.

- ToughCut

You’re right, there is an occasional diamond in the rough. I always figured if I got one good idea out of reading something, it was worth it.

-- Knowledge is not skill. Knowledge plus ten thousand times is skill. -- Shinichi Suzuki

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#15 posted 01-21-2017 05:54 AM

Yes, they do make the occasional flub but just look around at some other videos which can scare the living hell without regard to safety!

Tape fold, glue bottle snafu, are rather safe compared to many others!

-- "I never met a board I didn't like!"

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#16 posted 01-21-2017 06:05 AM

Like blade guards removed for clarity? Hell, I removed the blade guards because they are useless and in the way 40 years ago, and I still have all of my fingers.

-- Knowledge is not skill. Knowledge plus ten thousand times is skill. -- Shinichi Suzuki

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#17 posted 01-21-2017 06:10 AM

Rich…..shhhh….....we’re not supposed to say the truth like that, always tell people to use their safety features. ;-)

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#18 posted 01-21-2017 06:39 AM


I see nothing wrong with the video and suggest some of you need a nappy.

- RobS888

Evidently you have no idea how a random orbit works, LOL

- papadan


I don’t believe the video was meant to teach how a ROS worked, but to advise to get one.

I can use my ROS pretty well. I hold it by where the cord meets the body, so no vibration for me, but I see lots of people complain about vibration from their ROS.

Could you explain to me how he was wrong?

-- I always suspected many gun nuts were afraid of something, just never thought popcorn was on the list.

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#19 posted 01-21-2017 06:42 AM



Like blade guards removed for clarity? Hell, I removed the blade guards because they are useless and in the way 40 years ago, and I still have all of my fingers.

- RichTaylor

Blade guards are not useless. What is with you guys today?

-- I always suspected many gun nuts were afraid of something, just never thought popcorn was on the list.

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#20 posted 01-21-2017 06:52 AM

Woodsmith has no adds and the plans provided are very detailed. I enjoy reading it and going through old issues for potential projects and jigs. It is the only magazine I subscribe to. I may not make the project in the issue but how the project is built may help me on other projects I do build.

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#21 posted 01-21-2017 07:06 AM

Blade guards are an insurance device, not a safety device.

As for Woodsmith tips, I respect the magazine and the guys running it. They put themselves out there unlike a lot of guys who want to remain anonymous and criticize from the shadows.

-- Rick M, http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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#22 posted 01-21-2017 07:16 AM

Chill out Rob! ROS do not vibrate to keep from leaving circle marks on the work piece. Read the name, Random Orbit Sander. Besides the normal small circular motions the whole pad also rotates, that makes all the tiny little circles move around instead of being in one place. The action of this rotation causes the vibration that users feel. The sander does not vibrate as a means of doing it’s job. Tomorrows lesson….....How to hold a screw driver without hurting yourself. :-) jk

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#23 posted 01-21-2017 07:26 AM


Like blade guards removed for clarity? Hell, I removed the blade guards because they are useless and in the way 40 years ago, and I still have all of my fingers.

- RichTaylor

Blade guards are not useless. What is with you guys today?

- RobS888

Today? Like I said, I dumped that so-called safety stuff well over forty years ago, and I’m still alive to tell about it.

Want to know the best safety device there is? Your brain. Use it and you will be far less likely to lose a finger.

Want to know why all of those useless safety devices exist? Lawyers. Oh, and OSHA. They’re not there to make you safer, they are there to employ shyster lawyers and keep the federal workers on the dole.

-- Knowledge is not skill. Knowledge plus ten thousand times is skill. -- Shinichi Suzuki

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#24 posted 01-21-2017 07:48 AM


Chill out Rob! ROS do not vibrate to keep from leaving circle marks on the work piece. Read the name, Random Orbit Sander. Besides the normal small circular motions the whole pad also rotates, that makes all the tiny little circles move around instead of being in one place. The action of this rotation causes the vibration that users feel. The sander does not vibrate as a means of doing it s job. Tomorrows lesson….....How to hold a screw driver without hurting yourself. :-) jk

- papadan


So that is your beef, he said vibrate instead of what oscillate? Perhaps while you are contemplating how a screwdriver works you could look up what vibration and oscillation mean.

I still content there is nothing wrong and many things right about the video. Perhaps when I know everything like you guys, I will make fun of others work…naw I don’t have that dick gene.

EDIT:

I looked it up for you.

Orbital sander: A hand-held sander that vibrates in small circles, or “orbits.” The sanding disk spinning while moving simultaneously in small ellipses causes the orbital action that it is known for. Mostly used for fine sanding or where little material needs to be removed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sander

Will you be sending an apology to him?

-- I always suspected many gun nuts were afraid of something, just never thought popcorn was on the list.

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#25 posted 01-21-2017 07:52 AM


Like blade guards removed for clarity? Hell, I removed the blade guards because they are useless and in the way 40 years ago, and I still have all of my fingers.

- RichTaylor

Blade guards are not useless. What is with you guys today?

- RobS888

Today? Like I said, I dumped that so-called safety stuff well over forty years ago, and I m still alive to tell about it.

Want to know the best safety device there is? Your brain. Use it and you will be far less likely to lose a finger.

Want to know why all of those useless safety devices exist? Lawyers. Oh, and OSHA. They re not there to make you safer, they are there to employ shyster lawyers and keep the federal workers on the dole.

- RichTaylor


Thanks for your opinion, I’ll stick with my opinion. The blade guard stays on my sawstop.

-- I always suspected many gun nuts were afraid of something, just never thought popcorn was on the list.

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#26 posted 01-21-2017 07:53 AM



Blade guards are an insurance device, not a safety device.

As for Woodsmith tips, I respect the magazine and the guys running it. They put themselves out there unlike a lot of guys who want to remain anonymous and criticize from the shadows.

- Rick M


No offence, but it could be both.

-- I always suspected many gun nuts were afraid of something, just never thought popcorn was on the list.

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#27 posted 01-21-2017 08:59 AM

This is a pretty dumb thread.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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#28 posted 01-21-2017 01:01 PM


EDIT:

I looked it up for you.

Orbital sander: A hand-held sander that vibrates in small circles, or “orbits.” The sanding disk spinning while moving simultaneously in small ellipses causes the orbital action that it is known for. Mostly used for fine sanding or where little material needs to be removed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sander

Will you be sending an apology to him?

- RobS888

Apologize for what? The fact that Wikipedia is wrong too?

-- Knowledge is not skill. Knowledge plus ten thousand times is skill. -- Shinichi Suzuki

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#29 posted 01-21-2017 04:37 PM

Chill out Rob! ROS do not vibrate to keep from leaving circle marks on the work piece. Read the name, Random Orbit Sander. Besides the normal small circular motions the whole pad also rotates, that makes all the tiny little circles move around instead of being in one place. The action of this rotation causes the vibration that users feel. The sander does not vibrate as a means of doing it s job. Tomorrows lesson….....How to hold a screw driver without hurting yourself. :-) jk

- papadan

So that is your beef, he said vibrate instead of what oscillate? Perhaps while you are contemplating how a screwdriver works you could look up what vibration and oscillation mean.

I still content there is nothing wrong and many things right about the video. Perhaps when I know everything like you guys, I will make fun of others work…naw I don t have that dick gene.

EDIT:

I looked it up for you.

Orbital sander: A hand-held sander that vibrates in small circles, or “orbits.” The sanding disk spinning while moving simultaneously in small ellipses causes the orbital action that it is known for. Mostly used for fine sanding or where little material needs to be removed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sander

Will you be sending an apology to him?

- RobS888


Rob, I wont apologize to anyone that is wrong…like you! Random ORBIT is not Random Oscillate, we know that Oscillate and Vibrate are about the same thing, but did you know that orbit means to circle around something. You can walk around in a daze without vibrating! LMAOAY Oh and Wikipedia is written by pencil pushers that know nothing about how things work.

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#30 posted 01-21-2017 04:43 PM



This is a pretty dumb thread.

- AlaskaGuy


Absolutly is! All about dumb and ignorance, and stupidity. Ooops…. this is Alaska Guy not Rob! ;-) jk

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#31 posted 01-21-2017 04:46 PM


Thanks for your opinion, I ll stick with my opinion. The blade guard stays on my sawstop.

- RobS888


SAWSTOP!!!!!! What the hell do you need a blade guard for, a Sawstop can’t hurt you!

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#32 posted 01-21-2017 04:51 PM

I see some guys online that would love to jump in here right now. LMAO

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#33 posted 01-21-2017 05:00 PM

I am going to cut Rob some slack. Based on what I can infer about him from his signature, yesterday was likely a very, very traumatic moment for him.

-- Knowledge is not skill. Knowledge plus ten thousand times is skill. -- Shinichi Suzuki

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#34 posted 01-21-2017 05:06 PM



This is a pretty dumb thread.

- AlaskaGuy
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Chill out Rob! ROS do not vibrate to keep from leaving circle marks on the work piece. Read the name, Random Orbit Sander. Besides the normal small circular motions the whole pad also rotates, that makes all the tiny little circles move around instead of being in one place. The action of this rotation causes the vibration that users feel. The sander does not vibrate as a means of doing it s job. Tomorrows lesson….....How to hold a screw driver without hurting yourself. :-) jk

- papadan

So that is your beef, he said vibrate instead of what oscillate? Perhaps while you are contemplating how a screwdriver works you could look up what vibration and oscillation mean.

I still content there is nothing wrong and many things right about the video. Perhaps when I know everything like you guys, I will make fun of others work…naw I don t have that dick gene.

EDIT:

I looked it up for you.

Orbital sander: A hand-held sander that vibrates in small circles, or “orbits.” The sanding disk spinning while moving simultaneously in small ellipses causes the orbital action that it is known for. Mostly used for fine sanding or where little material needs to be removed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sander

Will you be sending an apology to him?

- RobS888

Rob, I wont apologize to anyone that is wrong…like you! Random ORBIT is not Random Oscillate, we know that Oscillate and Vibrate are about the same thing, but did you know that orbit means to circle around something. You can walk around in a daze without vibrating! LMAOAY Oh and Wikipedia is written by pencil pushers that know nothing about how things work.

- papadan


I don’t need the apology, the target of your incorrect derision does.

I suspect you are in the know nothing pencil pusher category. I never understood people that need to publicly mock others like you are doing. Must be genetic.

-- I always suspected many gun nuts were afraid of something, just never thought popcorn was on the list.

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#35 posted 01-21-2017 05:08 PM


Thanks for your opinion, I ll stick with my opinion. The blade guard stays on my sawstop.

- RobS888

SAWSTOP!!!!!! What the hell do you need a blade guard for, a Sawstop can t hurt you!

- papadan


Your ignorance is really showing through now.

I’ll continue to use seat belts and dust masks and hearing protection and a blade guard.

-- I always suspected many gun nuts were afraid of something, just never thought popcorn was on the list.

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#36 posted 01-21-2017 05:12 PM



I am going to cut Rob some slack. Based on what I can infer about him from his signature, yesterday was likely a very, very traumatic moment for him.

- RichTaylor


I’m in Vancouver this week, so I missed the “festivities” although one of my students did show a picture of how small the audience was on the mall. SAD.

-- I always suspected many gun nuts were afraid of something, just never thought popcorn was on the list.

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#37 posted 01-21-2017 05:20 PM

I’m from Kentucky, we never learned to read or write. We just use a little bit of common since to figure things out. Sorry I offended you Rob, it was never my intension to offend anyone. When I started this thread it was to show how simplistic some of the people and magazines are these days. By any chance, did you notice the tags for this thread? Tags like Humor and WTF normally tip people off the fact that a post is just for fun. I personally am having a good time upsetting you and proving you wrong. Genetics has a lot to do with how I live, my parents were north pole and south pole magnets, and I just like to stick around!

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#38 posted 01-21-2017 05:24 PM

Speaking of nitpicking, why did no one mention that nothing about the orbit of a ROS is random. Isn’t that false advertising?

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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#39 posted 01-21-2017 05:25 PM


Thanks for your opinion, I ll stick with my opinion. The blade guard stays on my sawstop.

- RobS888

SAWSTOP!!!!!! What the hell do you need a blade guard for, a Sawstop can t hurt you!

- papadan

Your ignorance is really showing through now.

I ll continue to use seat belts and dust masks and hearing protection and a blade guard.

- RobS888


OK…that does it right there! I’m hauling my old Ridgid table saw to the city dump. I’m buying myself a SAWSTOP for sure. I can’t believe nobody ever posted the fact that Sawstops have seat belts now. That makes all the difference in the world to my safety. ;-0

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#40 posted 01-21-2017 05:43 PM

I stopped watching Scott and Suzie Phillips because it seemed like they were always speaking to people that it was their first day in a shop. “Now I’m going to turn this on”, gee thanks Scott for the insight. I think maybe we have gotten more sophisticated but the Woodsmith magazine is still catering to beginners. I still record the show but don’t get much from it. Family Handyman caters to people that don’t know which end of the hammer to hold.

I was very full of myself. Then I got my CNC machine and started watching all the tutorials. Damn them. They said way too much without explaining. This really was my first day and I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.

Moral of the story. You can’t please everybody.

-- Schooled in the advanced art of sawdust and woodchip manufacturing.

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#41 posted 01-21-2017 06:01 PM

Get/read the tips, magazine, and shows if you want. If you don’t want too then don’t, but don’t criticize anyone who chooses to. Why do you feel the need to compete with them about who knows the most?

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#42 posted 01-21-2017 06:05 PM



I m from Kentucky, we never learned to read or write. We just use a little bit of common since to figure things out. Sorry I offended you Rob, it was never my intension to offend anyone. When I started this thread it was to show how simplistic some of the people and magazines are these days. By any chance, did you notice the tags for this thread? Tags like Humor and WTF normally tip people off the fact that a post is just for fun. I personally am having a good time upsetting you and proving you wrong. Genetics has a lot to do with how I live, my parents were north pole and south pole magnets, and I just like to stick around!

- papadan


Where was the humor? I didn’t see any. Is it a red neck thing?

-- I always suspected many gun nuts were afraid of something, just never thought popcorn was on the list.

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#43 posted 01-21-2017 06:09 PM

Is it a red neck thing? I sure as Hell hope so!

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#44 posted 01-21-2017 06:10 PM



Get/read the tips, magazine, and shows if you want. If you don t want too then don t, but don t criticize anyone who chooses to. Why do you feel the need to compete with them about who knows the most?

- ScottM


Well said!

I’m starting to smell DKV…especially when Alaska guy shows up.

-- I always suspected many gun nuts were afraid of something, just never thought popcorn was on the list.

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#45 posted 01-21-2017 06:11 PM



Is it a red neck thing? I sure as Hell hope so!

- papadan


Ok, that explains why non-rednecks, might not understand the seemingly useless attack on others work.

-- I always suspected many gun nuts were afraid of something, just never thought popcorn was on the list.

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#46 posted 01-21-2017 06:19 PM

Man…. another reference to DKV! Ya’ll got the DK right, but what does the V stand for?

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#47 posted 01-21-2017 06:20 PM

I look this morning at a dumb thread that’s went south and now it’s turned to idiotic.

PAPADAN, I’d like to see some of your workshop and some of you work but your gallery is empty.

I can try and walk you thru post pictures. It’s really not that hard to do.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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#48 posted 01-21-2017 06:29 PM



Man…. another reference to DKV! Ya ll got the DK right, but what does the V stand for?

- papadan


Are you concerned that you remind people of the biggest irritant on this site? That was repeatedly banned for fighting and insulting people. That had multiple accounts that were banned as well?

-- I always suspected many gun nuts were afraid of something, just never thought popcorn was on the list.

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#49 posted 01-21-2017 06:31 PM

I cleared out my gallery a few years ago, but I can post a few pics for you. My current shop is in a spare bedroom, I don’t have power in the garage of this house we are renting. I use my planer and table saw in the driveway when weather permits. Here is my current shop setup.

And I just added this saw for finish cuts on small pieces.

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#50 posted 01-21-2017 06:44 PM

Alaska Guy, here are a few pics of some things I have made.

!https://s3.amazonaws.com/vs-lumberjocks.com/ok57tll.jpg!



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