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A DREAM , for JACOB !

by patron
posted 02-12-2010 09:42 PM


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ellen35

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#1 posted 02-12-2010 09:55 PM

David,
Let me be the first to agree with your sentiments.
As always, I am touched by your kindness.
Ellen

-- "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good." Voltaire

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#2 posted 02-12-2010 10:02 PM

Jacob, as Forrest Gump said “I am not a smart man”,...But if there is any help I can provide, please do not hesitate to ask!

-- If you don't work, you don't eat!.....Garland, TX

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#3 posted 02-12-2010 10:14 PM

Let no man rob another, of his passion!

-- When you know better you do better.

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#4 posted 02-12-2010 10:14 PM

Your a man after my own heart. Your words are heard and I couldn’t agree more.

-- Dan Wiggins

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#5 posted 02-12-2010 10:18 PM

Very nice.

-- ~Just A Guy With A Hammer~

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#6 posted 02-12-2010 10:21 PM

Good post, David.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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#7 posted 02-12-2010 10:40 PM

You speak with the eloquence of your heart.

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#8 posted 02-12-2010 10:46 PM

“Jacob is ALL of us” says it all. David, I appreciate what you’ve said and how yo’ve said it. Thank you.

-- Working at Woodworking http://www.VillageLaneFurniture.com

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#9 posted 02-12-2010 10:54 PM

David the world would be a better place if there were more people like you. I, too, was so outraged that some had ridiculed Jacob that I couldn’t sleep without the commitment to encourage him. It was heartwarming to see so many others speak up as well. Here’s a high five from me. You are a light in the darkness. Way to go!!!!!!!!

-- cathyb, Hawaii, www.cathyswoodworking.com

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#10 posted 02-12-2010 10:58 PM

Hear, hear David.

-- Chip -----------http://www.penmanchip.com-----------------Micah 6:8

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patron

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#11 posted 02-12-2010 11:03 PM

as always ,
thank you all for your caring and supportive hearts !

as a friend once said ,

” the only problems with being human ,
we don’t come with instructions “

we have to chose who we are .

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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#12 posted 02-12-2010 11:12 PM

As always, well said David!

-- When you know better you do better.

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#13 posted 02-12-2010 11:37 PM

Patron I think you just expressed what I tryed to say in some of the other blogs even thow some of the last line´s heart me a little bit but in another way than you wrote it
and you proppely know this kind of people so no complain from me :-)
sorry I can´t express what I realy want say in english it just take to much energy from me
the last few days of battle with the english reading and try to write ansers back has drained
me totely becourse I´m not on the top at the moment
but I liked your last comment I think that says it all

” the only problems with being human ,
we don’t come with instructions “

Dennis

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#14 posted 02-12-2010 11:43 PM

dennis ,
your feelings come thru ,
better than you think .

and i am great full for that !

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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#15 posted 02-12-2010 11:44 PM

Great Post once again, my Friend.
With our burgeoning membership here, I’m hoping we’re not seeing the first signs of things to come. Cyber- bullying is no joke, but it’s prevalent on every “Mainstream” site on the Web…
Courtesy, unfortunately, is becoming a lost art, instead of second nature as it should be…
I tell every young person willing to listen to follow their heart! There is nothing in the World that they can’t do or accomplish, provided they apply the correct measures of Desire and Hard Work!
To Jacob: Make your Dreams Reality, Young Man!! Your whole life you’re going to meet people who say you can’t, or shouldn’t, but consider the sources! They’re usually people who haven’t and won’t!... Take advice from people who are successful, if you want to be a success, not from people who say “You’ll never make it!”, or that “It can’t be done!” Listen to that Patron fellow! His Heart is in the Right Place!!

-- Mike in Concord, NH---Unpleasant tasks are simply worthy challenges to improve skills.

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patron

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#16 posted 02-12-2010 11:58 PM

it seems strange to me ,
that we lost ’ farout ’ ( remember him ? ) ,
for being nice to him .

i hope we don’t lose jacob for being mean !

but i do thank 99.9 % for their positive input .
mike , it seems that you have a point ,
about the internet sites .
very sad indeed , if that is all we can do
with this wonderfull new tool .

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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#17 posted 02-13-2010 12:03 AM

i have two sons and they’re confidence is easily broken – if you tell a young person they are trash – they will become trash – i to was a bit disturbed by that topic

-- -erik & christy-

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#18 posted 02-13-2010 12:13 AM

Thank you, Patron.

-- http://www.ahomespecialist.net, Making design and application one. †

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#19 posted 02-13-2010 12:27 AM

I don´t think whe loose him becourse of that
he has posted two project´s after the first blog
and I believe he is reading the last few blog´s
where the disqossion still goes on and
I realy wish he wood step up and explain
not why he wants to be a carpenter
but why he has to do it now there most
be a reasen for it
at least then we don´t have to gess
and put words in hes mauth that
he don´t want to have and somehow
I wish he wuold deffent himself even thow
I stood up for him and I will do it again

Dennis

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#20 posted 02-13-2010 12:40 AM

webwood ,
right you are ,
my step father always told me that i was to stupid to bother with , and sent me packing at age 12 .
he had left his previous wife and 3 kids to run off with my mother , ( who already had 3 kids too ) .
after trashing our family too ,( and a new son with her ) he dumped my mother to be with a rich woman .
some of you may have read his book , ’ HOW TO FIX A VOLKSWAGEN , FOR THE COMPLETE IDIOT ” , in the original book , there were many pictures of regular people fixing the car , that is my family , and everyone is in it but me ? years later , he came to sausalito and wanted to take me out to dinner and brag about a big ranch that he and the wife had bought in oregon .instead i took them to the restaurant i just showed you ( trident ) that i had just built .
his face fell when he saw the place , suddenly i was some one to him , but to this day , he is nothing to me ,
except the guy that trashed my family , i am good friends with my half brother , and we don’t talk about
his father , there is too much pain there .
sorry for the rant , again , but it is helping me to heal and reach out to people like jacob ,
we all deserve the best .

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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#21 posted 02-13-2010 12:52 AM

hey david – my mother married five times while i was growing up – i left at 15 – no prison , but could have happened very easily -lived in my car for several years – i know how hard it is -

-- -erik & christy-

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#22 posted 02-13-2010 01:27 AM

David
Your a great person to care for others the way you do. I have already expressed how wrong I thought Jacob was treated so I won’t add to that. I’m not any were close to being as eloquent as you are but I’m in line with what you have posted. I admire you as a good and compassionate human being is spite of your very tough childhood. In addition to being a great man your a one in a million wood artist.

-- https://www.artisticwoodstudio.com/videos

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#23 posted 02-13-2010 01:35 AM

-

-- “The two most important days in your life are the day you are born and the day you find out why.” Mark Twain

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#24 posted 02-13-2010 01:43 AM

x

-- “The two most important days in your life are the day you are born and the day you find out why.” Mark Twain

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#25 posted 02-13-2010 01:45 AM

David – I agree, I had to look back and see the post responses Jacob got and they are really tough to the point of being hostile…which I just don’t understand.

I think this is a powerful community that can and should be supportive and help Jacob grow with his passion, and I think he can do every one of us proud. But the advice should start at finishing school, looking to a trade program/apprenticeship and ultimately he may hang out his own shingle and be the next Sam Maloof.

I would suggest he might contact ‘Degoose’ or one of the other Aussies doing woodworking as a profession, and look at an afterschool/summer program and see what the production environment is like, and working with wood for a living in general. Then evaluate his path entering the fall semester.

-- “The two most important days in your life are the day you are born and the day you find out why.” Mark Twain

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#26 posted 02-13-2010 01:47 AM

Right on.

-- "Bordnerizing" perfectly good lumber for over two decades.

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#27 posted 02-13-2010 01:48 AM

i totaly agree with getting all the help he can ,
i did google govt. trade programs in australia ,
and they sure are there for their people ,
and i sent him a pm about all of that ,
but haven’t heard anything back .
i wanted to go to M.I.T. myself ,
but prison offered a different course ,
so i did the best i could with it , and haven’t looked back since .
maybe this weekend he will respond ,
i sure hope so .

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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#28 posted 02-13-2010 03:24 AM

many people must think they are in a fantasy world when they are on the net, so it is ok to say hurtful things, since you are not face to face with someone does not mean you can say hurtful things to them, we must have compassion no matter what form of communication we use, too many have grown up with no social skills other than what they have learned watching ” The Simpsons” etc.
I think you are doing a good thing David by taking this young man “under your wing”

-- Smitty!!!

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#29 posted 02-13-2010 03:31 AM

he just came back on ,
seems to be working out what he wants to do .

thanks everyone !

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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#30 posted 02-13-2010 03:36 AM

Here is another site with some great guys that i,m sure be able to help Jacob .
http://www.woodworkforums.com/

-- John in Belgrave (Website) http://www.extremebirdhouse.com , https://www.facebook.com/groups/extremebirdhouses/

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#31 posted 02-13-2010 04:01 AM

David: I didn’t see the first post, It must have been in my quiet time. That thanls for posting your message to all of us. Being civil is something we should all stride to do.

-- I've been blessed with a father who liked to tinker in wood, and a wife who lets me tinker in wood. Appomattox Virginia [email protected]

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#32 posted 02-13-2010 04:22 AM

David the link in the first couple of lines should be “Lumberjocks.com/topics/14448” You missed the ”.com”

But I finally found it.

-- I've been blessed with a father who liked to tinker in wood, and a wife who lets me tinker in wood. Appomattox Virginia [email protected]

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#33 posted 02-13-2010 04:39 AM

“Never, ever, give up, it ain’t over til it’s over”, is what I say. I’d like to answer to his posting. I may not do everything well or fancy in my woodworking, but I don’t stop trying to get better and I don’t dissuade others from the same path. I’m not a commie but Mao did say something that we should all understand, “the longest journey begins with the first step”. Why would anyone want to stop someone’s first step?

-- jack -- ...measure once, curse twice!

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#34 posted 02-13-2010 04:53 AM

thanks again guys ,
karson ,
i fixed it , thanks .

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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#35 posted 02-13-2010 05:11 AM

God Bless you patron!

Tom

-- Mc Bridge Cabinets, Iowa

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#36 posted 02-13-2010 05:17 AM

First – Great post Patron…thanks for sharing some of your story with us.

Second, I pretty much thought that the majority of the responses on the Jacob post were very encouraging…I choose to think that even the ones complaining about his spelling had only his best interest in mind.

I’m an optimist obviously….but if you think those folks were trying to point him towards as much education as he could get….why not? I have seen lots of folks make good without an advanced education – Patron is a shining example…but the statistics show, and I think you all would agree, that it helps enormously. So I choose to believe in folks good intentions rather than the bad. I mean, why would anyone want to belittle or crush the hopes of this young man? It just wouldn’t make sense?

It is interesting to me as I read these blogs that, more often then not, folks seem to take things in the worst light, without wondering – first – why would someone’s intention be to harm rather then assist? If this were so, harm rather then assist, you wouldn’t see the beautiful charity and help that lots of us do for folks that we don’t even know? Would you see so many folks offering their help to these victims of horrible natural events? I see a great outpouring of charity here also. So I typically choose not get involved in any discussions that turn angry on based on the negative assumptions…This really works great for my attitute and mood for sure.

-- Woodworking.....My small slice of heaven!

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#37 posted 02-13-2010 05:49 AM

thanks reggiek ,
i too looked to see the intent in all the suggestions to his post ,
but one in particular stood out ,

” i agree ….... this kid couldn’t open a shoe box , much less build a ’ two holer ’ ”
( referring to an outhouse ) !

hardly endorsing education ,
or giving any advise ,

just a put down .

perhaps jacob is doing what many young people do , dreaming ?
maybe he will grow to become more than he ever dreamed of .

how many wanted to be a fireman , cop , doctor ,or ballerina ?

as we grow we find many things are not in our interest any more ,
or are out of our reach .

and some people struggle all their lives to find their place ,

there is a way to bring out the best in people ,
that is not one of them .

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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#38 posted 02-13-2010 06:21 AM

Patron
I tip my hat to you.
Ira

-- Rustfever, Central California

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#39 posted 02-13-2010 06:22 AM

I was always taught to keep my mouth shut if I didn’t have anything good to say. Great post, Patron.

-- Scott, South Carolina

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#40 posted 02-13-2010 06:38 AM

Thank you Patron.

Thank you everyone for supporting me, means alot. I really dont no what to say.

Jacob.

-- Jacob Manning

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#41 posted 02-13-2010 06:49 AM

Great words David. I too am brand new to this site and was a little shy about signing up because of this type of attitude. Hoped it would not be here. Thanks for standing up to it.

Donnie

-- Donnie-- listen to the wood.

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#42 posted 02-13-2010 06:58 AM

Patron, I too read that post and had a “what the heck” reaction (truly WTH). I then looked at several of that poster’s other replies (on other blogs/forums) and didn’t see any pattern of insensitivity…I did see that he/she has a thing for spelling/gramatical errors.

I am not defending the sarcastic tone of this one…..I think we all have bad days (or say things in a poorly thought out way)....at least I hope that was what it was….Otherwise you are left considering that somebody would be so mean spirited to post such a rude statement and mean it personally….What would be the point? I know there are trolls around…and those that say stupid things to get reactions/attention but I recommend that they be ignored….without attention (which they crave) they will soon tire of being ignored….and then the quicker they will go looking for more fertile fields to plant their discord.

-- Woodworking.....My small slice of heaven!

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#43 posted 02-13-2010 07:17 AM

i do agree that we all have our ’ days ’ ,
it’s part of life .
i am not out to condemn anyone either ,
in many of the jobs that i have had , they made me foreman or supervisor ,
and would want me to push the workers harder ,
but being one myself , i always stood up for them ,
and made sure they had tools and materials ,
and got time to be with their familys .
i guess it’s in my blood .
i got the best work out of them ,
and their respect , something the bosses couldn’t get .

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

#44 posted 02-13-2010 02:06 PM

hey patron i thank you for this post it says what i had i hard time trying to say in mine i am an easy going person and dont get upset too often but when i read what was said to jacob my blood pressure spiked i was so mad i was having a hard time saying what i was trying to say and what i could not you just did even though we have never met i do and always consider you and every one else on this site a friend.it is people like you that make this site enjoyable

-- i wonder if obama stood in a wind storm with them big ears of his would he start spinning like a drill bit

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#45 posted 02-13-2010 03:33 PM

David, you have poured your guts out here for everyone to know you as a person and where you came from, we had that conversation before. I commend you for doing that, and really you shouldn’t of had to. We all knew what a wonderful guy you are. I too was upset the way the kid was treated, but kept out of it. Maybe I shouldn’t have. Anyway, I’m behind you 100%. God Bless you buddy.

-- (You just have to please the man in the Mirror) Mike from Michigan -

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#46 posted 02-13-2010 03:49 PM

and you my friend !
when i was leaving prison ,
my teacher told me ,
” always turn your back , when you work ,
that way the guy next to you won’t take your job ” .

i said to him ,
” i tried all of my youth to be a carpenter ,
and only got a chance here in prison ,
that is what is wrong , the knowledge is not shared .
if i can help even 1 person ,
to avoid this route ,
then i will shout it of the roof tops ,
and help anyone i can “

maybe this is that person ?

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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#47 posted 02-13-2010 05:38 PM

A Prophet walking in the shadow of the Temple. Fantastic post!
PS: I never lock my front door. You are always welcome here to share.

-- Max the "night janitor" at www.hardwoodclocks.com

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#48 posted 02-13-2010 05:54 PM

For someone who claims to struggle with English, you sure have a way with words! Thanks for sharing.

-- Steve - Impatience is Expensive

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#49 posted 02-14-2010 02:39 AM

Hey David, Thankyou for being an inspiration and a role model to Jacob. He and I really appriciate it!! :) I love wood working too!

-- woohoo-Australia. God Bless

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#50 posted 02-14-2010 05:27 AM

Great post David. It’s really amazing to see people standing up for Jacob like this after the BS he got on his post.

-- Don - I wood work if I could. Redmond WA.

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