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Is this cherry blotching?

by ColonelTravis
posted 09-16-2016 09:51 PM


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Aj2

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#1 posted 09-16-2016 10:01 PM

Too me it looks like a area that did not get sanded down evenly.

Aj

-- Aj

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ColonelTravis

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#2 posted 09-16-2016 10:47 PM

It’s hand planed, card-scraped, sanded, buffed, baby butt smooth!

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Kirk650

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#3 posted 09-16-2016 11:08 PM

Looks like blotching to me. That said, some blotching isn’t always that bad on cherry.

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BurlyBob

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#4 posted 09-17-2016 01:47 AM

I’m curious. Will that even out as it darkens with age? I have no experience with cherry. I’ve been accumulating a few pieces and would like to learn from this thread.

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jwmalone

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#5 posted 09-17-2016 01:57 AM

I’m not an expert on cherry, but I’ve seen some blotchy stuff before on cherry and it doesn’t even out with time. We refinished some cabinets for a lady. They were cherry, the finisher/painter done a horrible job. Told her it would even out in a few months. Well a year latter still look like crap and guess what he was unable to be found. So we striped it and redone it.

-- "Boy you could get more work done it you quit flapping your pie hole" Grandpa

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bandit571

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#6 posted 09-17-2016 02:10 AM

Sometimes, IF parts of a Cherry board sees more sunlight than the rest, like a shadow. Sunlight will darken Cherry.

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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bondogaposis

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#7 posted 09-17-2016 01:14 PM

Yes, that is characteristic cherry blotch.

-- Bondo Gaposis

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Aj2

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#8 posted 09-17-2016 01:41 PM



It s hand planed, card-scraped, sanded, buffed, baby butt smooth!

- ColonelTravis

Darn wrong again,One of these days I’ll get one right. :)

-- Aj

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distrbd

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#9 posted 09-17-2016 02:57 PM

I get that blotchy look on some of the stuff I ‘ve built,the only thing that made a difference in evening out the color was to rub some of the original finish (Tung oil in my case) on the lighter parts but it has to be re-applied after a year or so.

-- Ken from Ontario, Canada

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RogerM

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#10 posted 09-18-2016 01:22 AM

Indeed, that is cherry blotching. Solve it by sanding to around 220 grit. Now, starting with bare sanded wood put a coat of dilute sealer on it (that would be 3 parts of alcohol to one part of Zinser Bulls Eye Seal Coat). Allow this to dry for at least an hour then put your stain ( I usually use Minwax Cherry Stain) on it or in your case the Minwax Antique Oil finish. Rub this out with fine steel wool #0000 or 800 or higher grit sandpaper wax and buff. Good Luck! Hope this helps.

-- Roger M, Aiken, SC

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#11 posted 09-18-2016 02:09 AM

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#12 posted 09-18-2016 01:01 PM

+1 on Charles Neil’s blotch control.

-- Jerry

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#13 posted 09-18-2016 03:49 PM

thanks for the input!

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pintodeluxe

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#14 posted 09-18-2016 06:17 PM

1+ Roger M’s comment. 3:2 D.A. to shellac seal coat works great. For heavily blotching cherry I use a 50/50 mix as a pre-stain conditioner.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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#15 posted 09-18-2016 10:47 PM

Over the years I’ve used all sorts of blotch controllers, and nothing ever worked real well – until I bought and tried the Charles Neil blotch control material. I’m now in the process of staining (dark) some Hard Maple, and the staining is going great. The test staining prior to buying the blotch controller went badly. Nasty blotching.

I don’t work for Charles, and what I’ve seen and stated comes from my personal use of his product. Not saying the shellac approach doesn’t work, so do as you wish.

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BenjaminNY

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#16 posted 09-18-2016 11:17 PM

1 pound cut wax free shellac as a coat before the varnish will greatly minimize blotching on Cherry and even pine. However, on your board it looks kinda neat as is :)

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#17 posted 09-18-2016 11:36 PM

I see a lot of people touting the Charles Neil product, is it really that much better than shellac? You all have me curious now :)

CN’s speech pattern in his video makes me want to kill myself, but I’d like to hear any of y’all experiences with it. (Thread hijack)

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distrbd

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#18 posted 09-19-2016 02:49 AM

Benjamin, the content should be the most important thing not the speech pattern, don’t you think?

-- Ken from Ontario, Canada

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BenjaminNY

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#19 posted 09-19-2016 09:36 AM

It should be. But the exasperated sighs every minute don’t help him get his point across.

I still watched his entire video.

Have you used the product Ken?

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distrbd

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#20 posted 09-19-2016 04:06 PM

I tried to find CN’s blotch control here in Canada but couldn’t find a distributor, the only way was to order it online but the cost would have been too high for my taste. I have been using diluted shellac (shellac & 99%alcohol) instead,I doubt it even comes close to blotch control but for me, it’s alright.

-- Ken from Ontario, Canada

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distrbd

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#21 posted 09-19-2016 04:07 PM


I still watched his entire video.

Have you used the product Ken?

- BenjaminNY


I tried to find CN’s blotch control here in Canada but couldn’t find a distributor, the only way was to order it online but the cost would have been too high for my taste. I have been using diluted shellac (shellac & 99%alcohol) instead,I doubt it even comes close to blotch control but for me, it’s alright.

-- Ken from Ontario, Canada

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#22 posted 09-19-2016 04:49 PM

Ken, sorry we dont have distributors, we ship to Canada via USPS , its the cheapest way, but it does get expensive, I agree.

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distrbd

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#23 posted 09-19-2016 05:12 PM


Ken, sorry we dont have distributors, we ship to Canada via USPS , its the cheapest way, but it does get expensive, I agree.

- CharlesNeil


Hi Charles,thanks , it does get too expensive with the exchange rate,shipping, etc but it’s good to know you are using USPS to ship otherwise import fees will also be added to the total cost if UPS/FedEx was the carrier.

Coloneltravis, sorry for getting off the topic,didn’t mean to hijack your thread.

-- Ken from Ontario, Canada

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ColonelTravis

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#24 posted 09-19-2016 08:28 PM

No worries Ken, I’m interested in reading everyone’s thoughts. I’m gonna get some of CN’s blotch control myself, I trust the man for anything to do with finishing. And the stuff he makes is top notch. Monticello asked him to make some things for their shop, they don’t call for any old slob to do that. He’s high quality. Wish I lived closer to take one of his classes.

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#25 posted 09-20-2016 01:40 AM

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#26 posted 09-21-2016 01:44 AM

How does one test to see if the wood is going to look uneven or blotchy? Will water show it? Mineral spirits?

-- Mike from Lansdowne, PA

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#27 posted 09-21-2016 02:04 AM



How does one test to see if the wood is going to look uneven or blotchy? Will water show it? Mineral spirits?

- BigMig


Mineral spiral spirits. You just kinda know what you’re looking at. But certain types of wood and its a given that it will.

-- "Boy you could get more work done it you quit flapping your pie hole" Grandpa

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