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Laguna C|flex or P|Flex Cyclone -- Any Opinions?

by GeoffKatz
posted 09-11-2016 05:51 PM


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#1 posted 09-11-2016 06:13 PM

http://lagunacleanair.com/shop/

I think this line hasn’t been out very long which is why there aren’t very many reviews.

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#2 posted 09-11-2016 07:27 PM

I think they look pretty good with reasonable sized impeller s and rated CFM much better than the HF.

It will be interesting to see how good the cyclone works as it is a bit short.

To me it looks like a good new alternative design. Hopefully, someone will get one and do the testing to see actual performance data versus the Laguna results.

The testing setup that Laguna shows looks very good and hopefully they will publish the data.

If I was in the market, I would consider the Laguna.

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#3 posted 09-11-2016 07:43 PM

Thanks guys. I didn’t realize how new this lineup was. As far as the short cyclone, I don’t think I have much choice as I only have 85” clearance, and I can’t build into the ceiling. This throws out all the Oneida, ClearVue, and Grizzly offerings. For my ceiling height it really comes down to a shortened cyclone design like these, vs a dual canister 3HP which doesn’t seem as efficient, although they are much cheaper.

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#4 posted 09-12-2016 01:08 AM

GeoffKatz,

You mentioned that you found no Oneida product that fits under the ceiling of the workshop. When I was researching cyclone dust collectors, I ran across a pair of Oneida Cyclone Dust Collectors that are 77” tall with a 35 gallon dust bin. The Oneida SMART Portable cyclone dust collector is about $1000 more than the Laguna, but it features a number of included accessories (and can be connected to portable power tools like the router, as I understand their description). It also features a long tapered cyclone funnel. Since I am not an air engineer I cannot say for sure, but my feeling is that the longer the taper and smaller the funnel opening to the dust bin, the better the separation. In the end, not constrained by the height restrictions you have, I selected the Clear Vue, although I did briefly give the Oneida’s SMART Portable collector some serious thought.

I was unable to successfully post a link to the Oneida Site. By selecting Dust Collectors on the Oneida web site, then selecting Premium Systems, and then clicking on SMART Portable, you should find the 2hp and 3 hp SMART Dust Collectors.

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#5 posted 09-12-2016 03:24 AM

It looks good. Probably comparable to the 3hp Jet, which gets good reviews. The Laguna has a different canister lift, but there are more similarities than differences.

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#6 posted 09-12-2016 12:53 PM

JBrow—I can talk myself into a lot of things, but $3,500 for a dust collector is just too rich for my blood. Not sure how they are getting the number that high based on the specs and materials.

Yeah, I think the Laguna looks pretty good too—and with Rockler doing a sale on them at this very moment, I pulled the trigger on the P|Flux 3hp. I’m not particularly experienced compared to most on this forum, but I may try posting some setup and first impressions here once I set it up.

The period between ordering a tool and receiving the tool—pure pain.

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#7 posted 09-12-2016 03:32 PM

GeoffKatz,

I agree and I doubt the Oneida SMART Portable dust collectors are flying out the door at that price. For that same $3500 I managed to upgrade to the Clear Vue and install all of the duct work. Even so, I thought I would mention that unit since you indicated that Oneida offered nothing that would fit your space. By the way, if memory serves me, that same Oneida unit was about $600 or so less money about a year ago.

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#8 posted 09-12-2016 04:24 PM

ToolMetrix (who did the youtube reviews for the 14bx bandsaw) recently published this “preview” video of the comparison of the new C|Flux vs the older Laguna model.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzamI0RJwa0

It also looks like they have the P|Flux (HEPA) in their shop as well.

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#9 posted 09-12-2016 04:47 PM

Yeah, I saw that Toolmetrix video, and he actually gave me a sneak preview of their upcoming testing on the P|Flex in the video comments there, if anyone is interested. I probably should have waited for it to be published, but I tend not to be too patient once I decide a tool is for me.

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#10 posted 09-12-2016 04:55 PM

This is a nice looking cyclone and I like that it has a built in warning light for bin level. However, the basic design isn’t great, ie. there is virtually no separation b/t the cyclone and the DC bin. The only advantage to a cyclone unit is the cyclone provides better separation of dust from the air stream, which should keep the filter relatively clean. When there is minimal separation b/t the cyclone and the bin though, a lot of the dust still gets pushed into the filter. When coupled with the relatively small filter area (109sqft on this machine) I think you’ll find that this machine overall is not very efficient, ie. the filter will get quickly caked with dust and lose efficiency due to the cyclone design and filter size.

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#11 posted 09-12-2016 05:31 PM

Manitario—I think you are almost certainly right, but if you don’t have the ceiling height to support a properly-sized cyclone, the decision then becomes between a single stage and a compromised machine like this. I have to think that’s why they include an automated filter cleaning mechanism, which others have noted likely isn’t essential in a more efficient machine. Since I’m only looking at machines under 85” in total height, this seemed the best of imperfect options.

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#12 posted 09-12-2016 06:09 PM

yeah, 85” is not a lot of room to play with. I wonder if you got a high powered single stage collector and ran it through a separate cyclone with an attached dust bin acting like a pre-separator eg.
http://www.oneida-air.com/inventoryD.asp?item_no=SSX090000&CatId={AF788678-CC99-4A98-A11A-D46574885567}

That would give you good separation of dust from the air stream, but would still fit under your ceiling.

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#13 posted 09-12-2016 06:49 PM

I considered that—I run my HF unit as a rough two stage with a trash-can separator now, but since I wanted 3HP it looked like most units were dual-canister and so very wide already, and I don’t have that much floor space to spare. I imagine it would be 5ft or more of horizontal space to accommodate a dual-canister machine and a large stand alone cyclone. And I believe the cyclone would have to be so large that I’d likely hit a limit with my dustbin clearance in any case.

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#14 posted 09-12-2016 07:20 PM

I assume you’ve seen this vid?
https://youtu.be/_8VTuH_WQ_s

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#15 posted 09-12-2016 07:28 PM

I bet your increase in HP will more than cover any inefficiency in your new unit and I’m curious to find out how you like the Laguna once you have been using it for a while. Sounds like you’ve really done your homework on the options available and are getting the best bang for your buck given your specific needs. Looks like a sweet setup and I think you nailed the implementation of the self-cleaning feature, they planned on more dust making it to the filter. I look forward to your review post :)

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#16 posted 09-12-2016 07:36 PM

Thanks! Fair warning: I don’t have the equipment or expertise to talk about or measure CFM/Static Pressure/other technical matters in anything but anecdotal “seems better!” terms. I also have 4” ductwork everywhere which I know is less than ideal, but moving to 6” trunks is going to have to wait for my bank account and mental capacity to replenish.

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#17 posted 09-12-2016 08:27 PM

The cost of running 6” duct is not too bad. I put it in with 6” PVC DWV and a couple of the fittings. I built my own blast gates and it all works well. The down side is that most machine ports are 4” so you either reduce to 4” at a blast gate or enlarge machine ports.

With a larger CFM/Static pressure machine, the loss due to 4” ducts and flex hose still results in good flow.

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#18 posted 09-13-2016 03:55 AM

This is so new that we just got a demo unit a few days ago in our store. It has a lot of improvements over the previous model. Once we get it assembled and use it a couple of times, then we’ll be able to make a judgement. The old models worked very well but i thought the large chipp bins were too small. Time will tell with this unit. I can’t imagine the new model performs at least a level above the old model.
I’m surprised that it is part of the laguna sale being such a new product. Jet would wait 12 – 18 months before giving discounts. Kudos to laguna.

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#19 posted 09-13-2016 12:59 PM

Yeah, I’d say the sale was pretty effective, as it got me to pull the trigger without waiting for more general impressions to come to light. It even convinced me to upgrade to the P|Flex model over the C|Flex I was initially looking at. It’s funny how a little savings can convince you to spend more money than you had budgeted to begin with.

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#20 posted 09-13-2016 03:07 PM

Please post a review after you get it. I am certain people will be interested.

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#21 posted 09-13-2016 05:44 PM

Will do. Just got a dreaded update though—- unit is on backorder. Ship date is now late September.

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#22 posted 09-27-2016 07:38 PM

ToolMetrix just posted a more detailed review of the C|Flux and P|Flux models.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwmzEXeiJp4

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#23 posted 10-24-2016 02:14 PM

Anyone have any thoughts on the B:Flux model?
http://lagunacleanair.com/product/bflux/

I was considering the Shop Fox 1.5 horse for $270 and am trying to decide if this Laguna is worth the $130 upcharge. I’m guessing the filter alone is probably worth it but the specs seem like it sucks less too.

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#24 posted 10-24-2016 08:22 PM

I just got the 2HP C|flux model and in the process of assembling so can’t comment on performance yet. I’ve never had a proper dust collector so gonna be tough to offer any comparative feedback.
The instructions are ok, there are little things that seem to be overlooked which I’ve had to spend time figuring out. Two examples: where to specifically put the foam gasket and no instructions for the center drum bin. I did call Laguna to ask if I can rotate the motor plate either 90 or 180 degrees since it would put the power button facing the wall. They said that was ok, but would think that should be documented somewhere. They said build time is about 5-6 hours, but I think 3-4 is more realistic. I don’t really like the sheet metal screws and the little caps that go over the tip, but we’ll see how it performs. My other beef is that there are no locking casters which is going to make standing it up interesting.

will keep you all posted…

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#25 posted 10-24-2016 08:44 PM

It’s funny that you mention standing it up—this was an enormous challenge for me when assembling my P|Flux 3. The thing weighs a ton, has unlocked casters, and is top heavy. Getting it onto its base by myself was unpleasant to say the least. I can’t possibly recommend this to anyone else (get a friend over instead), but what I did was slide the pallet it came on right next to to the lower wheels, then let the friction-drag of that pallet stop the wheels rolling as I tilted it up. Then when the top/far set of wheels came down, instead of rolling this entire thing back into my face, it crashed hard through the pallet instead. Then I tore the pallet apart with a hammer to free the machine. My brain must not have been working right that night, but it worked and I survived.

I do plan to leave a somewhat more comprehensive review on the p|flux soon, but here are some early thoughts:

  • Assembly was a bear. It took a really long time to get it all pieced together. Fit and finish on the components seems good to my untrained eye.
  • Instructions were pretty poor. The photographs were hard to make out, and when I finished there were several important pieces that hadn’t been included in the instructions at all.
  • Customer service, a classic Laguna weakness from what I’ve read, has been pretty good. A technician has been in regular contact with me, sending several self-taken photographs of each piece so I could finish the assembly.
  • Unfortunately it’s not yet fully done after several weeks of ownership, because my bin came with the wrong panel, which needs to be replaced. Laguna is waiting on shipment from their overseas supplier. The machine works, but I can’t yet install the low-pressure hose to keep the bin-bag in place. I’m using a big rock at the moment.
  • The vaccuum’s power and cyclone effect seems good to me, with limited use so far. Certainly not comparable to my HF 1.5HP.
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#26 posted 12-09-2016 01:40 AM

GeoffKatz, thanks for the thread and the info. Any updates?

I am in a similar situation, basement shop with 7’ ceilings. I want to upgrade from my modified harbor freight, but was discouraged by the lack of 2-3HP options that would fit under my ceiling. They were almost all too tall, or had very small chip collecting buckets, super expensive, etc.

This Laguna series seems to be a great compromise. I like the mechanism for attaching the chip collector, seems pretty smooth. I’m debating between the C and P flux in either two or three HP. Are you running fixed duct work or using a portable flex hose to connect one machines at time? Thanks!

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#27 posted 12-09-2016 02:23 PM

Hi—sorry I haven’t had a chance to post a full review. But I can give some thoughts for sure. As described above, this unit and I got off to a rocky start, but it’s been in operation ever since and I can give my early impressions. It’s a great machine. I can’t compare it to any other high-end machines of course; as I said I’m coming from the same modified 2-stage harbor freight machine. There is really no comparison between the machines, as the price would lead you to expect.

In my setup, I have fixed 6” ductwork (PVC) along the ceiling, with 6” drops to each tool. It’s a fairly cheap installation and I would guess leaky here and there (cheap plastic blast gates, non-ideal fittings in some places, etc). With my old DC, collection was far from adequate. Using my 8” Delta Jointer was a pain because chips and dust would spray out across the infeed as soon as the chute became clogged, which happened after a pass or two. I was constantly clearing it and dusting the tables. My planer as well was basically always covered in dust, which affected results. Tools on the far side of the shop, like a floor sweep and a miter saw station, were hooked up but the DC never used because it was so ineffective.

With the Laguna, all that is done. I basically don’t see dust anymore, and have yet to clog anything. It’s a really nice looking machine (looks as expensive as it actually cost), and has a low profile which I needed. The separation seems good to me, as I’m not getting much in the excess bag. I really like the canister design as well.

What I can’t easily say is if the P is worth the extra money. I did it because I liked the idea of the canister sensors, but sadly I haven’t filled the can since properly installing this (I left it off when I first put the thing together), and I liked the HEPA filter, but that isn’t something I can easily quantify. The extra baffling to reduce noise may or may not be worth anything extra, as I haven’t heard the models lacking this upgrade.

I hope this helps somewhat. At this point I am a satisfied buyer.

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#28 posted 12-09-2016 03:14 PM

That’s very helpful, thanks so much for posting. The C/P Flux line seems to check all the boxes with my limited ceiling height – perhaps Santa will bring me a dust collector.

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#29 posted 01-02-2017 03:59 PM

@GeoffKatz

Any update?

Hate to make it a chore for a response, but your response on LJ has been the closest real world example I can find on feedback on the Pflux 3.

That said, I am close to pulling the trigger on the PF3 and would love to get some more feedback from you.

What are impressions now as you have used the PF3 DC?

Would you recommend it?

Thanks.

JDH

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#30 posted 01-07-2017 10:03 AM

I’m impressed by the HUGE improvement from gen 1 to gen 2 and I like the idea of the HEPA filter which takes you down to 1 micron (I don’t know if they will work with the Wynn HEPA filter which takes you down to 0.3 microns), e.g. the PFLUX and I’m leaning toward the 3 HP unit. My current shop is about 1000 SQ FT but I may be moving to a 1500 SQ Foot shop. There are some great YouTube videos just make sure they are about the CFLUX and the PFLUX two great videos are https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwmzEXeiJp4 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeMJvx8SVQw

With the PFLUX you can use bags in the collection bin without the need to weight down the bag which is necessary in the CFLUX.

Good setup video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YezhbgLMBOw

I really like how small the unit is especially when you consider the size of competitor units

-- JohnT

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#31 posted 01-07-2017 11:08 PM

I just pulled the trigger on the PFlux 3hp unit. Rockler still has is at a 10% discount. Upgrading my 1.5hp Laguna (3yrs old). I actually had a Clearvue CV1800 and realized after receiving it that it would not fit with my ceiling height. The latest setup video really should help with my assembly. Sorry it wasn’t available for @GeoffKatz when you put yours together.

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#32 posted 01-07-2017 11:48 PM

Hey guys.

I did it, too.

Got the PF3 on the Rockler sale.

Looking forward to getting it, building out the storage closet for it and figuring out the whole 8” Nordfab Duct work down to machines/shop layout.

Just what I need, another project.

Biggest plans? Figuring out how to hide the PF3 in plain sight from the wifey AND explain it when it is inevitably found…

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#33 posted 01-08-2017 03:28 AM



Biggest plans? Figuring out how to hide the PF3 in plain sight from the wifey AND explain it when it is inevitably found…

- JayDeeH

When found, simply explain that this machine is cheaper than emphysema.

I’m eager to hear what you guys think – I still haven’t made a final decision.

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#34 posted 01-08-2017 04:33 AM

@endgrainy

Agreed on the logic.

Been pretty liberal with the reasoning.

For Instance, a SawStop is in my near future and the campaign slogan at my house has been “It’s More Affordable Than Surgery and Lost Work.”

:/

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#35 posted 01-08-2017 03:21 PM

I got the 1.5 HP P/Flux unit and am very happy with it once it got put together. The instructions I received with the unit were HORRIBLE. Steps were left out. Descriptions were wrong. Once I realized I had to read several steps ahead I was better off. They also called for metric wrenches but listed fractional hardware.

The good news is that once I got it together it was great. Really outperformed my RIKON 60-200 2HP model. That unit worked but leaked so much it was constantly clogging my air filter. Changing the bags was a messy, messy affair. Side by side testing shows the Laguna has more suction even though it is rated at less HP.

I would absolutely recommend however be prepared to call the writers of the instructions derogatory, non-PC names.

-- Schooled in the advanced art of sawdust and woodchip manufacturing.

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#36 posted 01-11-2017 11:36 PM

Great information so far guys thanks.

I am in need of a new dust collector to replace my present one that basically begs the dust to jump in the bag. Unfortunately the dust in my shop doesn’t listen very well and usually ends up occupying the space around my equipment instead of making the effort to get into the dust collector’s bags.

Anyway I have a couple of questions that I am hopping you all can answer. I am looking at the 3HP version of the C or P I just need to pushing (to the P that is).

1. Is the P worth the price over the C? IE. What does the P have over the C besides the HEPA filter and the indicator lights?

2. Does the P have the handle to spin to clean the filter? In the video posted above (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwmzEXeiJp4&t=11s) it says to blow the filter out with an air compressor which doesn’t seem to be very efficient.

3. Did anyone spring for the auto cleaner? If so what is your impression of it?

4. What size of ducting did you use? I have one piece of equipment with a 6” port but the rest have 4” so I would like to run 6” through the shop and reduce it to 4 at the equipment that I can’t convert to a 6” port. So the 4 4” ports won’t work for me and I really don’t want to run 8” throughout the shop. So I would like to put a 8” – 2 6” converter on the intake..Thoughts?

Last thing…
Has anyone done any CFM calculations with it yet?

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#37 posted 01-12-2017 12:35 AM

1) I guess you would have to decide if the extra money was worth it. The filtering is a little different. I decided to spring for the P

2) Mine does not but mine is the 1.5 HP version

3) I did not

4) I use 4” ducting throughout. I did not do a CFM test, however I did hook mine up in the exact same place, with the exact same tubing and there was a noticeable difference in it’s ability to suck dust. On my router table, the sawdust had to be within an inch or two to get sucked in. The P was pulling probably five or six inches away. Unscientific for sure but distinct enough I was more than satisfied and now, no more screwing around with those damn bags and the big metal belt.

-- Schooled in the advanced art of sawdust and woodchip manufacturing.

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#38 posted 01-12-2017 06:55 AM

drudevore Personally I’d go for the P model just because of the better filtering (0.4micron @ 99.2%) everything else is a plus. I thought that the P also had the following:
1) You can put a plastic bag in the smart bin and there is no need to weight it down whereas in the C it must be weighted down. I think the C comes with the cylinder weight, I suspect that when you remove the weight when taking the bag out you will be subject to dumping a lot of sawdust on the floor. See the video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIfKdflSxmo
2) The P is a bit quieter (81 Db vs 83 Db), I saw a video on YouTube, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwmzEXeiJp4. Laguna claims 76 d B(A) (@9.8ft).
3) The P has visual lights to tell you when the bin is full or the filter needs to be cleaned. I don’t know if the unit automatically shuts off when the bin full light comes on but I suspect it would be easy to modify. Currently on my DC with a Thien baffle I don’t have any warning and have overfilled the bin a few times. When this happens then the bag and filter on the other side of the Thien take the hit. Plus I will have a big mess on the floor.

Other thoughts
1) I’m not sure where Laguna is getting their filter from but when I was building my shop air cleaner I contacted Dick at Wynn and ask about using the paddle cleaner on the HEPA filter and he stated it would damage the filter and recommended using an air compressor at a low setting (around 40 lbs) to clean the filter. Also Dick stated to NEVER use water to clean the filter, this would plug it up. Based on the filter surface area of 109 sf feet (laguna) it is not the same as I have from Wynn with 300 sf.
2) Be sure to watch the install instruction at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdjV_1J1Jf8 From other post it seems that the instructions provided with the unit are the pits. At times you will need a second person to help with the assembly.
3) The new C/P is the 2nd generation and is a huge improvement over the first gen.

BTW – I think Rockler in Phoenix, AZ has the DC on sale and I think you save about 10%.

-- JohnT

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#39 posted 01-19-2017 07:14 PM

OK I just hit the checkout button for the 3HP P|Flux…..

I am looking forward to getting it in and seeing how well it works.. I am sure it will be better than my current HF 1HP single stage that distributes more dust than it collects.

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#40 posted 01-20-2017 03:20 AM

WOOT WOOT!!!

I did the same thing (PF3) on the 1st to take advantage of the 10% off sale.

Received an email yesterday stating that I would have to wait until at least the first for it to ship. :/

Looking forward to sharing experiences on the build and the usage.

Next purchase will be the Dylos DC1100 to see if this thing is legit.

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#41 posted 01-20-2017 04:20 AM

Well good luck… I just got word that mine won’t ship until February 22nd!!!!! And I ordered mine from Rockler on Jan 6th…so go figure… Not sure where you got yours but hopefully it’s from someplace different because otherwise I’m gonna be even more pissed off at them. They’ll have my 2+ grand for nearly 2mos and I have no dust collector. Doesn’t quite seem proper.

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#42 posted 01-20-2017 05:06 AM

@SplinteredDave

I reread my note… it ships AFTER 2-13. Ugh.

Despite the fact that the wait sucks, I am using the time to reorg the “shop” and my end up pulling the trigger on a PCS to fill the void. ;)

Fingers crossed that I keep my cool and don’t demand my money back to go build a CV1800…

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#43 posted 01-20-2017 05:12 AM

@SplinteredDave

I reread my note… it ships AFTER 2-13. Ugh.

Despite the fact that the wait sucks, I am using the time to reorg the “shop” and my end up pulling the trigger on a PCS to fill the void. ;)

Fingers crossed that I keep my cool and don’t demand my money back to go build a CV1800…

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#44 posted 01-20-2017 11:55 AM

Well I can assure you that based on the performance of the 1.5 HP model, that 3HP model has to absolutely kick ass. I was tempted to go for a bigger HP machine, but I have a small shop and am never more than 10’ from the collector. Had I had an extra 220 v outlet I would have jumped to the 2HP but I didn’t feel like screwing around with the wiring when I felt the smaller one would do. My shop is far cleaner now. No matter what I did I couldn’t keep that RIKON from spitting dust back into the air. Then changing those bags made a another huge mess. Love, Love, Love this unit.

I keep one hose with a gate hooked directly to my tablesaw. The other I use with a friction fit end to all the other machines. With the inlets and the power switch up high, it makes it much easier to open and close the gates and to turn on and off manually.

-- Schooled in the advanced art of sawdust and woodchip manufacturing.

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#45 posted 02-20-2017 09:26 PM



Well good luck… I just got word that mine won t ship until February 22nd!!!!! And I ordered mine from Rockler on Jan 6th…so go figure… Not sure where you got yours but hopefully it s from someplace different because otherwise I m gonna be even more pissed off at them. They ll have my 2+ grand for nearly 2mos and I have no dust collector. Doesn t quite seem proper.

- SplinteredDave

I feel your pain, I pulled the trigger on the 3hp P|Flux on Jan 4th and have been told estimated shipment date is February 25th. Very disappointed in the mishandling of information but eager to see what my 2+ grand bought me, that I’ve now paid interest on because I don’t want to pay it off until I actually get it.

-- ..."If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over". John Wooden

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JayDeeH

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#46 posted 02-20-2017 10:38 PM

Yeah. I just found out that March 20th is the earliest possible date for the availability of my PF3.

Which is funny because the date has now changed 3x.

On that note, I am kinda thinking it’s time to look at other options. The 10% discount doesn’t seem so attractive any longer. :/

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SplinteredDave

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#47 posted 02-20-2017 11:23 PM

Just and FYI I complained to Rockler and for my troubles I got a $75 gift card…I guess it’s the thought that counts.

I sold my existing dust collector to partially fund this unit… so it’s really cramping my style to wait :)

Based on what I see here I don’t expect to see my dust collector until April… I may need to take the same path as JayDeeH and look at alternatives.

-- “Obstructions lead to creativity.” – Stephen Gleasner

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jplemons

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#48 posted 02-21-2017 07:54 PM

I’m not sure about stock on the 3HP units, but I chatted with a guy at Laguna and he said they have the 1.5HP and 2HP cflux and pflux units in stock at Laguna.

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SplinteredDave

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#49 posted 02-21-2017 08:41 PM

Figures…I’m waiting on the 3HP…

-- “Obstructions lead to creativity.” – Stephen Gleasner

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MakinDust

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#50 posted 02-22-2017 01:15 PM

@SplinteredDave me too. My delivery date has changed 4times and I’m fearing another based what others have been told.

-- ..."If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over". John Wooden

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