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Woodcraft Sharpening Service .. A review

by CharlesNeil
posted 09-07-2016 06:25 PM


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#1 posted 09-07-2016 06:45 PM

Thanks, Charles,
For me, the mail order method will work best. Like you, i’ve tried various services, and had spotty results.
I’ve got 2 blades that need it now!

-- -Gerry, Hereford, AZ ” A really good woodworker knows how the hide his / her mistakes.”

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#2 posted 09-07-2016 06:55 PM

Very good information…

Charles, thank you very much!

1-800-225-1153

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#3 posted 09-07-2016 08:03 PM

I can’t find any mention of the woodcraft sharpening service from their website… how would I use it?

-- Allen, Colorado (Instagram @bobasaurus_woodworking)

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#4 posted 09-07-2016 08:21 PM

Call the number Joe has listed above they will help you . 800-225-1153

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#5 posted 09-07-2016 08:27 PM

I though woodcraft sent sent their sharpening needs to a local a sharpening service depending on where they are located.

Are you saying all the items sharpened by woodcraft go to the same location ? If not I don’t see how the can maintain quality control.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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#6 posted 09-07-2016 08:46 PM

If you’re looking for a good mail to sharpening service I use Scott’s sharpening Service. I’ve been sending all my sharpening need to Scott’s since 1999 after meeting him at the IWF in Anaheim Calif.

He does good work at competitive prices. He sell saw blades and sharper cutter also. He’s the kind of guy
you call and he’ll be glad to answer your question. He’s one of the all around good guys.

http://scottssharpening.com/

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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#7 posted 09-07-2016 08:52 PM

Alaska, im not sure, Mine went to Parkersburg WV , home of corporate, but ill try to find out for ya,

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#8 posted 09-07-2016 08:52 PM

Alaska, as i said in the Video if you have some one your happy with, stay with it, I didnt,

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#9 posted 09-07-2016 08:56 PM



Alaska, as i said in the Video if you have some one your happy with, stay with it, I didnt,

- CharlesNeil

Charles I not trying to be difficult. I’m relating my experience with Scott’s like you did with woodcraft.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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#10 posted 09-07-2016 08:57 PM

ok, Woodcraft local stores , some do have local services , they trust, other wise they go to the Woodcraft service, they also do chisels and turning tools in house. Per Woodcraft

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#11 posted 09-07-2016 09:00 PM

Guys all i know is the blades i got back were excellent, and im sending another 15 up, as well as 2 Forrest king dado blades, we will see. Dado blades are tough to sharpen, real tough, but based on what I got back , im going for it . Just Saying

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#12 posted 09-08-2016 02:04 AM

Charles,

That’s a lot of saw sharpening!

-- Cau Haus Designs, Thomas J. Tieffenbacher

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#13 posted 09-08-2016 04:13 AM

Whiteside for Router bits and Forest Blades for table saw blades.
I’ve never been disappointed.
But I respect Charles experience and opinion, so it boils down for me to price.
Whoever can give me the best bang for the buck gets my business.

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#14 posted 09-08-2016 12:42 PM

Not all Woodcraft stores do sharpening. Since Charles Neil’s video came out I have had two calls from customers arguing with me when I told them we do not sharpen tools, and instead tried send them to a 3rd party sharpening service. One of our guys will sharpen lathe tools, but that is outside of the store on his own time. One guy got a little irate and said ” I know you sharpen saw blades because Charles Neil said so in his video”. I had a hell of a time convincing him otherwise. Just relaying some info for all.

-- "Now I'm just another old guy wearing funny clothes"

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#15 posted 09-08-2016 01:22 PM

Not to denigrate any other service but, I’m with Alaska Guy re: Scotts Sharpening Service. In fact, it was his recommendation, several years ago, that lead me to Scotts. And Scott turned me on to those great Tenryu blades. So, thanks to Alaska Guy.

-- Gene 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

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#16 posted 09-08-2016 01:40 PM

ok to answer about not all WC stores have the sharpening. This is something the individual stores have a choice in, if they have a local service they trust, then they may go there, but they can also sent to Corporate and they will have them done. You can also send them your selves here is the info

From WC:
If the customer wants a quote prior to sending the blade to Woodcraft they should call Customer Service (800-535-4482). Customer Service will get all the information specific to the blade, determine a quote, then contact the customer.

If the customer does not want a quote, send the blade to:

Woodcraft Supply LLC

Attn: Sharpening Shop

406 Industrial Park

Parkersburg, WV 26104-9778

Once the blade is received Woodcraft will get a quote specific to the blade sent, then Customer Service will call the customer back to complete the order.

Hope this helps.

Again , if you have a service your happy with by all means stay with it, I didn’t .

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#17 posted 09-08-2016 03:13 PM

For me, I use Forrest blades and their sharpining services,here is a link to their site, which explains their process and price list-
http://www.forrestblades.com/forrest-factory-carbide-saw-blade-sharpening.html
In the link above Forrest explains their process
Charles-how did you arrive at the conclusion that “corporate” did a good job, with your sharpening?
Alaska, thank you for the link. I will check him out.

-- Desert_Woodworker

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#18 posted 09-08-2016 03:16 PM

Desert Woodworker, you anywhere near Phoenix?

-- Gene 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

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#19 posted 09-08-2016 03:18 PM

Desert , the way they cut, they did a dozen blades for me, I had ran all except what i filmed with, and they performed perfectly, I also compared to a couple of new blades, no difference.

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#20 posted 09-08-2016 03:35 PM

Thank you Charles for the info. Finding a good place for sharpening can be difficult. In addition, shipping costs can be expensive.

Can you tell me how you packed and shipped the blades. I have a fear of a gorilla somewhere bouncing my heavy blade package around.

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#21 posted 09-08-2016 04:01 PM

I cut squares of cardboard to go in between and then wrapped cardboard and duct tape around it all , then placed a piece of 1/2 plywood on top and bottom and then around the sides as well, and then back to some good ole duct tape, just use the good stuff, I know they make cases, and so forth, but this is what I had handy .

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#22 posted 09-08-2016 04:06 PM



Desert Woodworker, you anywhere near Phoenix?

- Gene Howe


Yes

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#23 posted 09-08-2016 08:56 PM

Thanks for the tip Charles -
I hav only had blades sharpened a few times as originally I just got another blade… then sent the dull ones.

I had gone to Forrest’s sharpening service 24 dollars for a 10 inch 40 tooth blade.
No issues with them, but always on the lookout for other options.

What do they charge for sharpening (assuming no tooth replacement needed)?

-- “The two most important days in your life are the day you are born and the day you find out why.” Mark Twain

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#24 posted 09-09-2016 03:24 AM



Desert , the way they cut, they did a dozen blades for me, I had ran all except what i filmed with, and they performed perfectly, I also compared to a couple of new blades, no difference.

- CharlesNeil

Mr. Charles Neil, with the most due respect, to you as a knowledgeable icon in woodworking, I question your reply to me on as to how you derived the sharpening results:
1. You tested the resharpened blades versus your new ones. I assume that this was done with the naked eye, and if this is the case, then I am not sold on your test results. On my post, I linked Forrest Blades results on microscopic imaging to compare; sharpening services.
2. As with wood chopping, with an axe, you can field dress it and will chop cleaner, than before you dressed it. On the other hand, you can sit around a campfire and sharpen your axe with a stone, to be able to shave the hairs on your arm. Therefore, I feel you have not produced enough test results to convince me.
3. Question: are you receiving any compensation for suggesting Woodcraft as your personal choice? I regrettably ask you this, due to the influx of video woodworker’s (without naming them) who are out there “gorilla” marketing a product or company for marketing purposes.
Other than your sharpening services review, best to you.

-- Desert_Woodworker

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#25 posted 09-09-2016 11:11 AM

How can a post about blade sharpening turn into this.

With Charles experience, if he says a blade is sharp and cuts well…that is good enough for me and for most others.

If I get a blade sharpened, I will test it by cutting something and look at the cut wood and how it feels cutting it.

I will not take it to a high power microscope or electron microscope to see the edge. We need to be practical about this.

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#26 posted 09-09-2016 01:02 PM

I think Redoak answered exactly as I feel about it, and no I wasnt compensated in any way. I paid for all the sharpening.

I am not compensated by any one and my responses and suggestions of a product are purely based on my own personal experience.

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000

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#27 posted 09-09-2016 01:10 PM

IMO, it’s more about YouTube hits than sharpening.
It’s another source of income for many people these days. I’ve noticed a lot more people wanting you to watch and subscribe to their videos.

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#28 posted 09-09-2016 01:30 PM

Charles, I couldn’t agree more with the results I get from there sharpening service for my saw blades. I would like to mention the results with my Dewalt planer blades is fantastic. Not only do they cut better than brand new ones they also cut quieter.

-- Dave, Downers Grove, Il. -------- When you run out of ideas, start building your dreams.

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#29 posted 09-09-2016 03:40 PM



I think Redoak answered exactly as I feel about it, and no I wasnt compensated in any way. I paid for all the sharpening.

I am not compensated by any one and my responses and suggestions of a product are purely based on my own personal experience.

- CharlesNeil


Thank you for your response. I enjoy your videos and postings best to you and the others who give their thoughts on woodworking.

-- Desert_Woodworker

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#30 posted 09-09-2016 03:50 PM

Alaska and Gene thank you for the shoutout for “scotts”. I checked out his site and I will look into contacting him next time.
http://scottssharpening.com/

-- Desert_Woodworker

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#31 posted 09-09-2016 03:56 PM

Lets field dress these LOL

Thanks for the sharpening info Charles I’m convinced.

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#32 posted 09-10-2016 02:37 AM

To the above post: I suggest that you remove the blades and send them to Woodcraft corporate for sharpening, for you are the one who said
“Thanks for the sharpening info Charles I’m convinced.” You can LOL about “field dressing an axe” but any real lumberman would look at you with disdain, which is similar to todays woodworker who wants a well sharpened blade.

-- Desert_Woodworker

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#33 posted 09-10-2016 03:01 AM


IMO, it s more about YouTube hits than sharpening.
It s another source of income for many people these days. I ve noticed a lot more people wanting you to watch and subscribe to their videos.
- jbay.

You are correct! But what I love about this site (Lumberjock”s) which I also refer to as the “Arena”, if you abide by the rules then “you” can express yourself freely.
Keep your powder dry and your blade sharp

-- Desert_Woodworker

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#34 posted 09-10-2016 03:37 AM



How can a post about blade sharpening turn into this.

With Charles experience, if he says a blade is sharp and cuts well…that is good enough for me and for most others.

If I get a blade sharpened, I will test it by cutting something and look at the cut wood and how it feels cutting it.

I will not take it to a high power microscope or electron microscope to see the edge. We need to be practical about this.
- Redoak49


” We need to be practical about this”. If you are taking this as his personal thoughts or opinion, fine. In my opinion, this was not a “controled” test. The finer grind, then the more cutting life; just a fact.
Best to you

-- Desert_Woodworker

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#35 posted 09-10-2016 04:29 AM

I’ve been so happy with Forrest I’ve been afraid to try anyone else. But Scotts I think is worth a try . Thank you for the referral.

-- Ken

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#36 posted 09-10-2016 04:44 AM

Unlike one poster above…I have “No axe to grind” 99% of my saw blades are handsaw blades. I seem to do an ok job sharpening my own…

No video, either. IF the Desert fellow would care to try Mr. Neil’s place once…..and let us know then what he thinks. I doubt if he will, though…..to bent on arguing, I guess.

Like I said, I sharpen my own. Last time I sent any out, (90s) was NOT happy with what came back. No, it wasn’t WoodCraft, either. Was a local place, long since out of business, I might add.

Some people will argue whether the sun actually rises in the east…too..

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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#37 posted 09-10-2016 05:18 AM


Unlike one poster above…I have “No axe to grind” 99% of my saw blades are handsaw blades. I seem to do an ok job sharpening my own…

No video, either. IF the Desert fellow would care to try Mr. Neil s place once…..and let us know then what he thinks. I doubt if he will, though…..to bent on arguing, I guess.

Like I said, I sharpen my own. Last time I sent any out, (90s) was NOT happy with what came back. No, it wasn t WoodCraft, either. Was a local place, long since out of business, I might add.

Some people will argue whether the sun actually rises in the east…too..

- bandit571

The “Woodcraft” suggestion was not a controlled study. I am extremly satisfied with Forrest, but I am opened minded to, and I have, looked into Scotts….. Both forementioned services, can explain their process of sharpening- and I am truly satisfied. Therefore, why would I switch to a mainstream company, similar Rockler? Answer: I wouldn’t

-- Desert_Woodworker

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#38 posted 09-10-2016 05:21 AM

Thought as much…....wasn’t the least surprised, either. Always one in the bunch…

-- A Planer? I'M the planer, this is what I use

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#39 posted 09-10-2016 06:19 AM

I guess I will add my two cents too…

If Charles says the Woodcraft Blade Sharpening Service is GOOD, you can take it to the Bank…

... it IS GOOD!

Charles was just trying to HELP us as a result of his pleasant experience…
I appreciate him passing his Tip on to us…

You can believe every word Charles says…
If he says something is GOOD, IT IS, in fact, GOOD!

I think it’s completely Out of Line to make a Big Deal out of Charles passing this on to us… If you don’t agree, fine, there is no need to turn the whole thread into a Circus!

OK, I’m off my soap box…

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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#40 posted 09-10-2016 07:02 AM

If you go over to woodnet.net forums and ask you find a few guys over there that uses Scott’s among others.

A guy shouldn’t limit himself to one forum.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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#41 posted 09-10-2016 09:54 AM

Charles: what is the starting price for a 10” blade sharpened with woodcraft? I see forest is about 27.00, anyone have a about price for scott’s ?

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#42 posted 09-10-2016 12:34 PM

The “Woodcraft” suggestion was not a controlled study.

So In your mind, no one is allowed to suggest sharpening alternatives to Forrest without a ‘controlled study’?
I am extremly satisfied with Forrest,

Good…stick with them then! Nothing wrong with that.

but I am opened minded to,

No your not. Most of your responses in this thread make that pretty evident.
Therefore, why would I switch to a mainstream company, similar Rockler? Answer: I wouldn t
- Desert_Woodworker

As I said above, if your as satisfied as you claim to be, stick with it! If it ain’t broke…don’t fix it! Right?
Your obviously one of the many Forrest diehard’s on this board….good for you, they make great blades!

But…if you step out of your cave for a moment or two(with the open mind you claim to have)....you might come to the realization that Forrest ain’t “King shit of turd Island” anymore. They used to be, but the ‘Island’ is a lot more crowded now.
The tooling industry has caught up with them, and in some cases (imo) surpassed them.
Don’t get me wrong here….Forrest, as I said above, makes great blades. I used to buy them all the time…dozens in fact.
Now, there are comparable (or better)alternatives…for a hell of a lot cheaper.

Sharpening…
Similar to above. Forrest isn’t stand alone in the saw blade sharpening industry anymore. Due to the rapidly growing industrial tooling industry, which is constantly improving in engineering,construction, materials, efficiency etc. Sharpening companies have likewise had to keep up with those manufacturing improvements.
Do they all keep up? No.
Do the best keep up? Yes, with what they can, and/or specialize in.
Do the best resharpening companies keep up with everything in house? In my experience, no. They’re happy to take all my sharpening business, but ‘farm’ a lot of it out. Eg. CNC tooling, corrugated shaper and molder knives.

Woodcraft? I have no clue. Never had any reason to deal with them. Charles Neils expectations? I have no clue. Don’t know the man, or follow him. But with his experience, I have no reason to question his satisfaction either.

All said and done, the tooling industry today is HUGE compared to yesterday….step out of the box and have a look around. Or at the very least, realize that there are perfectly acceptable alternatives for other people who have standards as high as, or higher than your own.

-- It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. Aristotle

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#43 posted 09-11-2016 01:23 AM

I will not reply to the above post- But I will respect the others, for there are a lot of Neil’s supporters, including me . I refined my woodworking talents in the 1980’s with “Finewoodworking” magazine’s test results. They published various reviews routinely with “controlled result’s”. Every product or service was conducted with a “controled test”. Today, we have the “video” woodworkers and it is my belief some are “this” or “that”, which leads me to my conclusion: As Ronald Reagan said, “Trust then Verify”.
Best to you all,

-- Desert_Woodworker

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#44 posted 09-11-2016 04:08 AM

Charles was making a simple CASUAL report on what he found to be a very good sharpening service…

For your information ONLY!

ie: I see that the sky was Blue today and it looked really good to me…

... no further discussion or dissecting required…

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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#45 posted 09-11-2016 05:18 AM

Good to know other options are out there.

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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#46 posted 09-12-2016 01:22 PM

I do have one question

Exactly how do you determine if they are dull?

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#47 posted 09-12-2016 01:42 PM



I do have one question

Exactly how do you determine if they are dull?

- CharlesNeil

For me, personally it is based on the rusults of my cut, i.e “tearout”. Formerly, as a professional cabinetmaker I needed clean cuts for 2 sided veneer and melemine. Currently, I switched to CNC and it as well needs “sharp” tooling. Also, another known woodworker, The Wood Whisperer has good info re: saw blades and such. He recommends 2 or 3 cleaning then it may need sharpening. Which leads to a new area of conversation- does the blade need to be “cleaned” or “sharpened”?

-- Desert_Woodworker

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#48 posted 09-12-2016 02:42 PM

Charles, thanks for the tip.
Keep in mind that some folks would bitch about the color of the stitches if they were bleedin’ to death.
Your comments and advice are always welcome in my shop.
Bill

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#49 posted 09-12-2016 02:44 PM

In other words, your determination of “if its dull” is made upon ” Performance” ... and not a scientific evaluation ?

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#50 posted 09-12-2016 03:42 PM

Charles mic drop.

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