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Trace Coating ... Dont Miss This .unless you like to sand

by CharlesNeil
posted 08-25-2016 07:48 PM


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Dez

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#1 posted 08-25-2016 08:04 PM

We always called it a Guide Coat.
In fact you can buy special spray cans called Guide Coat specifically for what you are discussing.
I was fairly soft, softer than the primer so that it cut quickly and it dried fast too!
I have used the technique in woodworking too.

-- Folly ever comes cloaked in opportunity!

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#2 posted 08-25-2016 08:13 PM

Thanks, Charles.

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#3 posted 08-25-2016 08:15 PM

Charles,

Glad to see you are doing well and are on your way to getting back to 100% Also glad you are posting fresh YouTube vids again! Still need to get out to see you one of these days.. Take care my friend

Dean

-- "Nothing happens until you build it"

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#4 posted 08-25-2016 10:18 PM

thanks Charles ,

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#5 posted 08-25-2016 10:54 PM

That was really interesting. Looking forward to the next two.

A couple of follow-ups:
1) With cherry or walnut, for instance, do you use a much darker dye or does it matter much?
2) Do you do this with all the surfaces? On a Desk, for instance, would you do this with the legs, apron, etc., or just with the top?

Thanks so much.

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson

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#6 posted 08-25-2016 11:59 PM

Hey charlies!

Good to see more of you. LOL!

How ya doin Big Dog?

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#7 posted 08-26-2016 12:53 AM

Interesting

Thank you Charles.

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#8 posted 08-27-2016 02:32 AM

Super technique,I used it years ago on cars too but I didn’t think of using it in woodworking until Charles brought to my attention quite some time ago it works very well. Thanks again Charles.

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#9 posted 08-27-2016 11:23 AM

Thanks Charles, Another great video!

-- Paul--- Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep. — Scott Adams

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#10 posted 08-27-2016 12:40 PM

there are 2 more up, Trace coating to enhance figure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjTSIiUiEOI

and Trace coat cautions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9mS3Pdwh68

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#11 posted 08-31-2016 09:10 PM

Very good, Charles!

Thank you very much for sharing your years of experience with us…

You are The Greatest!

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: https://www.ncwoodworker.net/forums/index.php

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#12 posted 08-31-2016 09:18 PM

Really helps when doing seats and other things where flat and smoothness is a must.. thanks for bringing it to my attention Charles..it’s what really helped me in troubled areas of chair making

-- Randall Child http://www.racfurniture.com/

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#13 posted 08-31-2016 09:30 PM

What does one do if the wood is, as an example, cherry and varnish only to going to be applied?

-- Jerry

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#14 posted 08-31-2016 09:36 PM

Gerald, please watch Trace coating cautions, you simply use a “DRY” application or use some food coloring , and if you get too much,bleach it out, the point is it leaves no questions unanswered, we never sand any final project without a trace coat, if its figured wood we do it different than if its going natural

cautions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9mS3Pdwh68

Enhancing figured woods https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjTSIiUiEOI

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#15 posted 08-31-2016 09:37 PM

Gerald, please watch Trace coating cautions, you simply use a “DRY” application or use some food coloring , and if you get too much,bleach it out, the point is it leaves no questions unanswered, we never sand any final project without a trace coat, if its figured wood we do it different than if its going natural

cautions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9mS3Pdwh68

Enhancing figured woods https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjTSIiUiEOI

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000

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#16 posted 08-31-2016 11:59 PM

Nice trick to see where you need to sand, but I don’t see it saving you any sanding. It still has to be sanded.
I think it’s more/just important to train the eye to spot these defects. Another question I have is does the dye clog up your sandpaper like some stains do?
I think it may be good for table tops and such, but I wouldn’t want to be doing it on a wall unit. JMO

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#17 posted 09-01-2016 12:06 AM



Nice trick to see where you need to sand, but I don t see it saving you any sanding. It still has to be sanded.

- jbay

I don’t think it is intended, in a sense to save you from sanding, just giving you a clue of exactly when you’re done sanding.

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson

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#18 posted 09-01-2016 12:14 AM


Nice trick to see where you need to sand, but I don t see it saving you any sanding. It still has to be sanded.

- jbay

I don t think it is intended, in a sense to save you from sanding, just giving you a clue of exactly when you re done sanding.

- CharlesA

Well then the title is a little misleading isn’t it?
I read the story because I thought it was a way to finish without sanding.
Grant it, using the method may keep you from oversanding if you cant see and feel your wood as your sanding.

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#19 posted 09-01-2016 12:17 AM

Charles Neil can answer for himself. I think I overstated—it can save sanding by letting you know when you’ve sanded enough, but it never occurred to me that there would be a way to not sand at all.

-- "Man is the only animal which devours his own, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor." ~Thomas Jefferson

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000

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#20 posted 09-01-2016 12:25 AM

Charles Neil can answer for himself. I think I overstated—it can save sanding by letting you know when you ve sanded enough, but it never occurred to me that there would be a way to not sand at all.

- CharlesA

Thank You!
I believe I’ve done enough work to understand sanding…(smart azz)

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#21 posted 09-01-2016 12:49 AM

This is great info! I learned this a few years back from an autobody guy who called it skim coating.

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#22 posted 09-01-2016 11:52 AM

Used the technique for years – it works very well. Works with hand planes also.

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#23 posted 09-01-2016 01:19 PM

It doesnt eliminate sanding but it shows you what you have and when your done, it also raises the grain . No dyes or food coloring do not clog sandpaper, just use either a water base (preferred) or alcohol.

I see folks sand their brains out and when the stain or dye goes on, they have issues, or missed glue spots, this will show it to you.

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#24 posted 09-01-2016 02:03 PM

Charles – Thank you for sharing. Learn something every time you put up a video.

Appreciate you making (trying anyhow) to make me better

-- “The two most important days in your life are the day you are born and the day you find out why.” Mark Twain

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#25 posted 09-01-2016 02:59 PM

Excellent tutorial, I am making it a favorite for future reference.

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#26 posted 09-07-2016 12:36 PM

Good information and how-to Charles. Appreciate you

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#27 posted 09-07-2016 12:47 PM

Can also just use several light passes of a soft pencil.

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#28 posted 09-07-2016 04:23 PM

I recently saw your Trace Coating appearance on Rough Cut… was kinda short, but was nice seeing you on there.

Keep up the good work!

Don’t forget to take timeout to smell the Roses, etc.

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: https://www.ncwoodworker.net/forums/index.php

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