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Input on this Stanley 45 deal.

by KelleyCrafts
posted 08-22-2016 08:48 PM


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#1 posted 08-22-2016 08:56 PM

No more finicky that any number of combination planes. That one has two sets of rods, all cutters, original box, two depth stops, slitting cutter and beading stop. Looks quite complete to me. Price is fair, but anything closer to $100 would be better.

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive --

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#2 posted 08-22-2016 09:12 PM

Thanks. I have lots of old planes but nothing like this. Wanted to be sure it was complete. Looked good to me but what do I know? I emailed the poster.

Will have to start reading up on sharpening the wacky blades if I get this.

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#3 posted 08-22-2016 09:31 PM

Let us know how it goes!

You’ll get good results initially just by flattening / polishing the backs of the cutters you need / use. Seriously. It’s amazing the difference it makes. And they don’t dull very quickly at all.

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive --

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#4 posted 08-22-2016 09:35 PM

I do that with every plane I restore, even checked the one new one I have. Definitely will go through the regiment however this has a lot less rust than I’m used to. I won’t argue there. Would like to get closer to $100 though, would really like to just pay $100 since this is just a specialty plane.

-- Dave - http://kelleycrafts.com/ - pen blanks - knife scales - turning tools

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#5 posted 08-22-2016 09:44 PM

If you were curious about what type it is, it’s a Type 12. First one that had the micro-adjustable fence. $150 is a fair price for a plane that has all the parts, original irons, iron boxes, and the original box.

Whether or not having the original box is worth it to someone who plans on using it rather than having it be part of a collection is up to you. Typically it seems a “user” plane with irons tends to go for around $100-$150 depending on the shape it’s in.

Sharpening the irons on a #45 isn’t too difficult. I only sharpened them as I needed to use them, like Smitty suggested. Sharpening them all at once gets tedious for me.

-- Mos - Twin Cities, MN - http://www.youtube.com/MosquitoMods - http://www.TheModsquito.com

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#6 posted 08-22-2016 09:55 PM

I was hoping you would chime in mosquito, I believe you were the one who posted the 45 post that explained a lot for me when I started looking at combo planes.

This would definitely not be a collector. I’m not really a collector. Most of my planes are from the 1800’s and I bought them with that in mind so they matched but they are all used and I don’t really have duplicates unless it’s used for something else (think scrub plane). These things are awesome and impressive at their usefulness even at 100+ years old but honestly, none of use will retire because we sold our old hand planes. So this is only an investment in my craftsmanship, not my wealth. Also my persuit to use mostly hand tools.

So this one looks to be in good shape though like Smith said?

Still waiting on the reply from the poster. Will let you all know.

-- Dave - http://kelleycrafts.com/ - pen blanks - knife scales - turning tools

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#7 posted 08-22-2016 10:09 PM

Seller replied with $140 as their lowest. I’ll think about it a bit. It’s not a rare one or anything so it’s not a killer deal and he’s had it for sale for a couple months. Of course now I’ve posted this he probably will have it gone tonight. Lol

-- Dave - http://kelleycrafts.com/ - pen blanks - knife scales - turning tools

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#8 posted 08-22-2016 11:20 PM

It does look to be in rather good shape, and $140 is a fair market value, but whether that’s worth it to you or not is obviously only something you can answer :-)

If it were to pop up on my local craigslist, I’d probably pick it up for $140, but that’s because I’ve got a collection of #45’s, and the Type 12 in my collection is my main user plane, so I wouldn’t mind having one in the collection with the box, and in better shape than the one I use. But that’s collection related lol

-- Mos - Twin Cities, MN - http://www.youtube.com/MosquitoMods - http://www.TheModsquito.com

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#9 posted 08-22-2016 11:39 PM

I’d agree with Most. In good shape, with all the parts, and you can hold it in your hands before you pay for it is well worth the $140. If you’re looking for a combo plane, I doubt you’ll beat the deal soon.

-- http://timetestedtools.net - Collecting is an investment in the past, and the future.

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#10 posted 08-22-2016 11:59 PM

Thanks guys. I’m undecided. So many people love them and so many hate them. So I don’t know.

Currently I have a dado stack and a router table if I need that stuff but I literally do almost everything with hand tools and this wood be the last bit probably. I still use electrons for rough lumber and I’m ok with that. Would like the rest to be hand tools though.

-- Dave - http://kelleycrafts.com/ - pen blanks - knife scales - turning tools

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#11 posted 08-23-2016 12:11 AM

Well, look at it this way. You can buy it, use it, if you like it keep it. If you hate it sell it here forn$150 or on eBay for $175. I’m not sure how you can loose. Of course if you’re like me you wind up never selling it and buy 2 more, or worse yet, like Mos!!

-- http://timetestedtools.net - Collecting is an investment in the past, and the future.

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#12 posted 08-23-2016 12:14 AM

That’s hilarious. There was a time once when I passed on a set of Japanese chisels at a yard sale for $40. I regret not buying them. I just spoke to my wife and she said “I feel like this is like another set of Japanese chisels, just sayin”

-- Dave - http://kelleycrafts.com/ - pen blanks - knife scales - turning tools

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#13 posted 08-23-2016 12:29 AM

Ok, I spoke to the seller and I’m getting it tonight after dinner for $130. Don’t worry Mos, I’ll save the box and stuff for you in case I don’t like it. ;)

-- Dave - http://kelleycrafts.com/ - pen blanks - knife scales - turning tools

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#14 posted 08-23-2016 03:24 AM

Happy ending!

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#15 posted 08-23-2016 03:41 AM

And….I own it. Now I’m part of the Stanley 45 nerd club with you guys.

Proof is in the pics….


-- Dave - http://kelleycrafts.com/ - pen blanks - knife scales - turning tools

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#16 posted 08-23-2016 03:49 AM

The guy wasn’t a woodworker. Said he was given it years and years ago. An old timer. Looks like it was barely used at all. Several of the blades were honed though, poorly. I’ll get them straight and good to go.

Mos, when we’re type 12’s produced? Not sure what site dates these like the standard planes.

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#17 posted 08-23-2016 04:04 AM

Very nice!

Type 12 was 1915-1920

This is about the best website I’ve found for type study on a #45: http://tooltrip.com/tooltrip9/stanley/comb-planes/45types/45types.htm
 

I’m slowly working on putting together a type study with the #45 collection I’ve got, but for now it’s just pictures, and I’m still working on cleaning up planes to take pictures of:
http://www.mosquitomediaserver.com/projectLogImages/45TypeStudy/
 

There’s a book by David Heckel that goes into much greater detail. “The Stanley ‘Forty-Five’ Combination Plane”

-- Mos - Twin Cities, MN - http://www.youtube.com/MosquitoMods - http://www.TheModsquito.com

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#18 posted 08-23-2016 04:06 AM

Oh, and by the way, the moving section of the fence is upside down on your last picture :-)

-- Mos - Twin Cities, MN - http://www.youtube.com/MosquitoMods - http://www.TheModsquito.com

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#19 posted 08-23-2016 04:14 AM

Thanks Mos. I took a look at some of your YouTube vids to see it in use.

I saw the fence was upside down but haven’t changed it yet. Had to take a pic and post it since I started the tread. I just took things out of the box and shot it. Don’t have time tonight to play had to check homework for my kids and things but I’ll get it dialed in soon. Working on a tool chest so I’ll use it for the shiplap bottom I plan to use. Of course I can do tongue and groove now….hmmmm. Until I get to that point this thing will have to wait. Still chopping tons of dovetails.

Thanks for the links. I’ll read them tonight.

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#20 posted 08-23-2016 04:21 AM

Typos galore…..Iphone. Grrrr

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#21 posted 08-23-2016 04:31 AM

Great job on those pics Mos. Looking forward to that write up side of things. Looking at those I would say mine is pretty clean.

That book is unavailable on Amazon. Do other stores still exist? Kidding. I’ll have to find it somewhere else. There was another on amazon that people also purchased, I assume you have read this one?

The Stanley Rule and Level Company’s Combination Planes https://www.amazon.com/dp/0961808837/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_hg9Uxb810KQC7

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#22 posted 08-23-2016 04:46 AM

I don’t believe it’s in print anymore. I bought both of mine on eBay.

I’ve got a few copies of that second one, that came with a couple of my #45’s. It’s more of a manual than an informational book. There is a lot of information on all the combination planes, trauts patent, millers patents, 50, 45, 55. Lots of patent drawings, exploded diagrams, advertisement pages, parts diagrams, and the “how to use this plane” parts of the manuals. It’s quite useful if you’re looking to learn the uses of the plane.

-- Mos - Twin Cities, MN - http://www.youtube.com/MosquitoMods - http://www.TheModsquito.com

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#23 posted 08-23-2016 05:21 AM

What do I need to get the manual for when I have your YouTube channel? 1000th subscriber credit goes to me. I win the big prize. ;)

Seriously your videos are helpful. Looking forward to playing with this thing. I definitely want to use it, was saving for the Veritas plow with all the irons. That’s over $500, so hopefully I get this dialed in instead. I like the vintage stuff a lot but I like things that work well better.

-- Dave - http://kelleycrafts.com/ - pen blanks - knife scales - turning tools

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#24 posted 08-23-2016 01:35 PM

I’ve only had occasional issues with a #45, and usually it comes down to the irons. If they’re not sharp, or if they’re bent out of shape things can get dicey. Otherwise just make sure you pay attention to grain direction and depth of cut whenever you can, and the trickiest part is keeping the plane body perfectly vertical (which is going to be the main thing no matter the plough plane). Other than that… have fun! Next stop is a #55 ;-)

-- Mos - Twin Cities, MN - http://www.youtube.com/MosquitoMods - http://www.TheModsquito.com

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#25 posted 08-23-2016 02:42 PM

Congrats on the 45 ki. I’ve been seeing that one on CL too the last few months. I picked my 45 up a few months ago. Just used it over the weekend to cut narrow dados for the bottom of a toolbox I threw together for my son. I don’t get a ton of use out of it but it’s sure nice to have when you need it. +1 on the advice to hone cutters as you need them and lap the backs rather than worry about the fronts. Taking light passes is probably the single best piece of advice I’ve read on using the 45.

-- Matt - Phoenix, AZ

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#26 posted 08-23-2016 02:52 PM

St. Roy demo’d a #45 in one of his episodes and seeing him use it , for me, was a friggin’ revelation at the time (Mos hadn’t arrived yet).

Matt nailed it: light passes is a huge key. When starting out using (learning) the tool, it’s so important to see actual results. With a bench plane, coaxing out the cutter slowly, so that whispy shaving appear at first, is the same thing that’s needed on the #45. Extend the cutter ‘just enough.’ That way it’s a matter of learning the way to hold the tools; once that’s in muscle memory, more aggressive passes are much easier to do.

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#27 posted 08-23-2016 03:20 PM

Thanks for the tips guys. I definitely take light passes almost always unless I’m really scrubbing. I looked at the bevels on these blades when I took them out of the box at home and I will need to hone the majority of them at some point. Whoever did it before just free handed it with below average experience. The bevels for most aren’t flat or an even bevel across the cutting edge. There is no way this would work well, if it were a chisel it would be all over the place when you hit it with a mallet so I need to flatten the bevel or the thing will complain or promote drifting (fence or no fence) for sure with the chisel size blades. This is probably the reason the thing looks new. Someone sharpened it, did a bad job, and then it never worked right after that. I will definitely do the backs on the granite plate and sand paper but that’s a given. I think it will go well, the plane is in great shape. I’m at work all week so no time to play unfortunately.

I’ve been eyeing it too Matt but just wasn’t sure I wanted a 45. Then I think I said to myself “will someone just buy this thing so it doesn’t come up anymore?” then I nominated myself I guess.

-- Dave - http://kelleycrafts.com/ - pen blanks - knife scales - turning tools

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