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What do you think of Kreg insert plate?

by distrbd
posted 08-12-2016 12:44 AM


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Dabcan

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#1 posted 08-12-2016 01:44 AM

I’ve had mine for 2.5 years with a 3hp triton router attached. The plate is still flat. I bought the setup used so it’s likely at least a couple of years older than that, so I don’t think you need to worry.

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#2 posted 08-12-2016 01:56 AM

I’ve had mine for two years with a 3 horse 1/2” Milwaukie router attached to it and it’s still perfectly flat. If I had it to do over again though, I’d go with metal because the phenolic can burn in some cases, mine did.

-- There are good ships and there are wood ships, the ships that sail the sea, but the best ships are friendships and may they always be. http://www.geraldlhunsucker.com/

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distrbd

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#3 posted 08-12-2016 03:06 AM

Thank you Dabca, Jerry, so it sounds like I shouldn’t be too concerned about it sagging.
Jerry , didn’t know phenolic could burn ,i suppose it would be as a result of friction? never thought or even considered that as a possibility , thanks for the heads up.

-- Ken from Ontario, Canada

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KnickKnack

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#4 posted 08-12-2016 11:40 AM

You may find Lumberjocks this review to be of interest.

-- "Do not speak – unless it improves on silence." --- "Following the rules and protecting the regulations is binding oneself without rope."

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distrbd

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#5 posted 08-12-2016 02:03 PM



You may find Lumberjocks this review to be of interest.

- KnickKnack


Very interesting, I’ve read a few comments about some of these phenolic plates not being absolutely flat(different brands,not all Kreg ) but it’s is something to watch for .
Thanks for the link.

-- Ken from Ontario, Canada

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HokieKen

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#6 posted 08-12-2016 02:58 PM

I put a Kreg plate in my router table a little over a year ago. I love it and it’s still dead flat. I highly recommend the leveling mounts that Kreg sells for the plate as well. The only complaint I have with the system as a whole is the insert rings. They aren’t always flat and sometimes that can be a problem with small pieces. I will say that at least the inserts always stay below the plate, none of them stick up and give a lip for the work to catch on. I have a 3.25 hp PC router attached to mine that never comes out of the table. It’s a hoss and the plate’s held it for over a year with no sag. My plate was flat from day one but, I would buy it somewhere that it’s easy to return it if you get one that isn’t. When I was doing my research, it seemed that the Kreg plates are flat for the most part but there are still some that got one that wasn’t. I’d check for flatness before installing it and exchange it immediately if it isn’t flat.

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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KnickKnack

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#7 posted 08-12-2016 03:49 PM

About 4 1/2 years ago I got a phenolic router plate (not this brand) – this was aggressively, designerly NOT-flat.
So all this discussion of peoples’ plates being “dead flat” is revealing – at least to me. Whilst I still use this plate daily (the router table is the only precision tool I have), I still don’t really like the slight ridge, but, as discussed there, it’s better than a sag.

It was an interesting exchange which may contain some points pertinent to this discussion.

-- "Do not speak – unless it improves on silence." --- "Following the rules and protecting the regulations is binding oneself without rope."

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distrbd

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#8 posted 08-12-2016 03:56 PM

Hokieken, thanks for your post/comment, the issue of the insert rings being lower than the plate is exactly in the review that Kinickknack linked in post #4.

I have re-searched a bit for this product and from what I gathered (and as you mentioned yourself) , most owners are quite happy with the flatness of the plate but it does happen that a few have been missed,could be a QC issue.

I ordered mine (with the levellers) from Amazon so it shouldn’t be too difficult to return it if I’m unlucky enough to receive an uneven one ,we’ll see how it goes.
Thanks again .
Ken.

-- Ken from Ontario, Canada

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distrbd

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#9 posted 08-12-2016 04:25 PM

Kinckknack, how are you coping with the Trend insert plate? do you think the idea of having a plate slightly convex is sound or even practical ?,does the weight of a heavy router actually make that plate perfectly flat after a while?
I assume you did not get a response from Trend but this whole subject got me thinking, what other manufacturer has come up with a similar convex router plate I wonder,it does sound logical though to manufacture the plate slightly raised and then let the weight of the router to force it flat.
On the other hand, if the rings are lower than the rest of the plate, we could also remedy that by shimming it to raise them a bit .

-- Ken from Ontario, Canada

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KnickKnack

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#10 posted 08-12-2016 04:40 PM


Kinckknack, how are you coping with the Trend insert plate? do you think the idea of having a plate slightly convex is sound or even practical ?,does the weight of a heavy router actually make that plate perfectly flat after a while?
I assume you did not get a response from Trend but this whole subject got me thinking, what other manufacturer has come up with a similar convex router plate I wonder,it does sound logical though to manufacture the plate slightly raised and then let the weight of the router to force it flat.
On the other hand, if the rings are lower than the rest of the plate, we could also remedy that by shimming it to raise it a bit .
- distrbd

Well. My router isn’t that heavy, and it certainly hasn’t pulled the plate flat – that slight bump is still there. Maybe a heavier router would flatten it (though I doubt it) – but these are “one size fits all” plates, and then it isn’t working for my router, so I’m really not sure of the logic. Which was, of course, why I asked them – but, no, no response – rest assured I have not bought from them since.
I don’t like the slight “rock” you get routing in long pieces when you go over the centre, and I think there are some issues with where exactly to apply pressure – I don’t like my fingers over the bit itself, so I’m always on one side or the other – and usually the pressure shifts as the piece goes through – hence the “rock” as the piece moves from flush on the infeed to flush on the outfeed..
I’m not too impressed with the rings – I rarely use anything other than “smallest”, but when I have removed one or more it’s a bit of pain to get them back and “flat” again – even a morsel under and the piece might “catch” as you go through.

I’d used a simple hole in a piece of fat flat ply for a few years, so I figured I “deserved” to get myself a “real” plate. Whilst I don’t really regret it (once in a while I just needed a bigger hole than I had), I probably wouldn’t buy it again – I estimate that about 80% of all the routing I ever do is with a 10mm or under bit, so I’d just make 2 fat flat ply tops – one with an 11mm hole, for almost everything, and another with a bigger hole for the other 20% of the time. Now I come to think about it, maybe I should do that!

-- "Do not speak – unless it improves on silence." --- "Following the rules and protecting the regulations is binding oneself without rope."

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#11 posted 08-12-2016 04:48 PM

No experience with the Kreg plate, but I have a Bench Dog aluminum router plate and it is really nice. Various size
insert rings screw into the plate as needed, but I don’t change them much unless I install a really large bit.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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HokieKen

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#12 posted 08-12-2016 04:56 PM



... So all this discussion of peoples plates being “dead flat” is revealing – at least to me…

- KnickKnack

I should clarify that I probably shouldn’t have said “dead flat” :-/ I didn’t go to the effort of checking it for “dead” flat, I just checked with a straight edge across the diagonals and then laid both sides on a granite surface plate to check for “rock”. Neither method detected any out-of-flatness. I didn’t check it on a CMM or with a planar gauge so I probably should have said “it was flat enough as far as I could tell”.

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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distrbd

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#13 posted 08-12-2016 05:57 PM

Pinto, I thought about ordering one (Bench Dog) but it would have cost me double by the time I receive it(UPS/Brokerage fee/exchange rate) ,I even liked Woodpecker’s plate but same story with the final cost.

I just ordered my Kreg with the levellers, extra miter channel, t-track, casters,I just have to go to HD to get a piece of 3/4”Melamine for the router top,will double the thickness with some plywood.
I hope the insert plate actually has a hole for the Triton lift handle.
Thank you all for responding in this thread.

-- Ken from Ontario, Canada

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Roger

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#14 posted 08-20-2016 01:13 PM

I have this same setup in my router table with an older Hitachi M12V. I purchased it because of a hell-a-cious sale on this and a Woodpeckers table top a while back. I haven’t had any sag problems. If you have any doubts, I’d buy the aluminum plate. That should surely hold any heavy router w/out any problem.

-- Roger from KY. Work/Play/Travel Safe. Keep your dust collector fed. [email protected]

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distrbd

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#15 posted 08-20-2016 01:42 PM

Thanks Roger, I did order the Kreg plate and now I’m in the process of cutting the Melamine table top , already made a template for that plate and I tell you, it wasn’t easy to cut those( 1.1/2”Dia.)round corners right with no gaps but I managed ,Steve Ramsey's you tube video on this RT plate helped a lot .

-- Ken from Ontario, Canada

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#16 posted 08-20-2016 09:04 PM

I have used a Kreg plate in my table for several years now and the only thing I objected to was the way the various inside diameter rings were installed. They used to be held in place by 3 small phillips head screws. Very tedious to work with. I see that design flaw has been fixed in the picture you posted. With that in mind, I would recommend the plate without reservation.

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distrbd

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#17 posted 08-20-2016 11:37 PM

Hi Art,I have seen the older type Kreg plate and the 3- screw rings, frankly I would have still bought it if that’s what was offered but I received the new design that locks the ring in the plate with a plastic tool,I was also told to check the plate for flatness,so far without a router attached,it is dead flat.

-- Ken from Ontario, Canada

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Jim Dawson

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#18 posted 08-21-2016 04:14 PM

Being new to router tables (and woodworking in general), I built one recently to attach to my table saw. I bought the Rockler aluminum plate and now wish I had bought the Kreg because of Rockler’s 3 screw ring attachment. It’s a pain to change bits and I didn’t realize that until I had it installed. I also bought a Bosch router and although the plate is drilled for mounting it, it isn’t drilled for the height adjustment, I had to drill that myself. One would think if they advertised it as fitting the Bosch, all the holes would have been drilled.

I now do much more research before making purchases for the shop. I’ll blame the mistakes on my age (70). :)

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distrbd

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#19 posted 08-21-2016 04:36 PM


Being new to router tables (and woodworking in general), I built one recently to attach to my table saw. I bought the Rockler aluminum plate and now wish I had bought the Kreg because of Rockler s 3 screw ring attachment. It s a pain to change bits and I didn t realize that until I had it installed. I also bought a Bosch router and although the plate is drilled for mounting it, it isn t drilled for the height adjustment, I had to drill that myself. One would think if they advertised it as fitting the Bosch, all the holes would have been drilled.

I now do much more research before making purchases for the shop. I ll blame the mistakes on my age (70). :)

- Jim Dawson

Jim, you know these plates are never perfect, at least the Rockler plate you have is made of Aluminum so you won’t have to worry about it sagging.

You are right about doing more research before buying anything although with all the choices available,it could get confusing sometimes but when I was researching for “best router plates”, Rockler was reviewed very positively by many .

-- Ken from Ontario, Canada

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Woodmaster1

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#20 posted 08-21-2016 07:58 PM

I have both the Kreg plate for my triton 3 hp and a rockler for my porter cable. The plates a flat and work great. I got the Kreg plate made for the triton router becacause it has the pre drilled hole for adjusting the height. I was apprehensive about routing the router base as Sommerfeld’s suggest. It made changing bits without adjusting the height easy.

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mikeber

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#21 posted 08-21-2016 08:58 PM

I am probably in minority, but I don’t see the need for the plate at all. I am planning a router table without a plate with only a 3 1/2” round opening for the rings. I also plan on supporting the router by a sub frame, not hanging it on the table top.

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