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Table Saw for DIY

by axam
posted 08-03-2016 05:15 PM


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JBrow

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#1 posted 08-03-2016 05:45 PM

axam,

I have no specific recommendation, just some general comments that I hope may be helpful.

I personally believe that an inexpensive tool is inexpensive for several reasons which add up to a tool that will be difficult to use. An inexpensive tool may be difficult to setup and then hold its settings. It is likely to have a small motor that will struggle when making rip cuts in dense woods. A table saw that will hold its setting, with a decent fence that can be and remain set parallel to the blade and one with reasonable power, is required to avoid the aggravation of cuts that are not straight or difficult to complete. I find the sting from writing big checks for tools fades from memory pretty quickly, but a tool that is difficult to use or consistently produces poor results is a lasting aggravation.

On the other hand, if the tool is a one-time use tool, renting or buying cheap could be the way to go. Also bargains can be had if a good used saw can be found.

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MikesProjects

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#2 posted 08-03-2016 06:15 PM

I recommend DeWalt table saws above all other portable table saws. If you can get dewalt in your location read on, if not skip to the next paragraph…I have them all & prefer the DeWalt by far. Better fence, better design. Lots of power although the makita table saw is very powerful as well. If you want a good moderately priced saw look up the dewalt 745 or DWE7480 , the difference is the rip capacity. A step up would be Model # DWE7490X. The first one I mention is an excellent DIY table saw, its what I like using on job sites.

I used to use Ryobi table saws 10 years ago, they worked okay, the switches would have to be replaced after a while but they were inexpensive back then. I have a makita that doesnt quit, I purchased it used. If its your first DIY table saw look for something with a decent rip capacity & a good fence, the fence makes the saw, good luck.

-- -Mike, Southern California, YouTube User ( Give & Take )

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#3 posted 08-03-2016 06:41 PM

“I have them all & prefer the DeWalt by far” No kidding.I’d like to see a pic of that.Guess your a real expert?I’ve been doing this daily for 45 years and have yet to own or try “them all” The best tool of any kind is the tool that works best for you and fits your budget.
You can always upgrade when you feel you need to and have the extra cash.

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mako1

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#4 posted 08-03-2016 07:00 PM

To reiterate on this point so I don’t seem like a complete d#$%. I have been doing custom cabinets and furniture and been in the remodeling business for 45 years.
I own a Powermatic 66 TS that was built in TN in the early 90’s.I also own a Bosch jobsite saw with a gravity stand for jobsite work.Also have a old Craftsman contractor saw from the 80’s.Belt drive with cast iron wings that I took for some money a man owed me. $125.00 I have around $3500 in the Powermatic in the early 90’s and $125 in the old Craftsman .When well tuned and a good blade I can do the same quality of work on either.One is just more enjoyable to use than the other.

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bigJohninvegas

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#5 posted 08-03-2016 08:00 PM

What sort of projects are you looking to do? And will a small table top saw be ok. I started with the small ryobi saw. Huge mistske for me. Typically, your table saw is the number one tool in the wood shop. My work bench and saw work together to form an outfeed and assembly table. I put a piece of carpet on the saw or bench when sanding, cardboard when doing glue ups or finishing. Totally understand the limited space issue. I spent $600 on a hybrid saw. After selling the ryobi. Could have spent the same money and bought an old powermatic off craigslist. With little effort that saw would be good as new, and way better. The little tsboe top my be good for you though. Depends on what you want to be able to do.

-- John

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axam

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#6 posted 08-04-2016 01:05 AM



What sort of projects are you looking to do? And will a small table top saw be ok.
I am thinking of making a table and a work bench. working out of a small shed. not really intended as a workshop.

so small, compact & portable would be prefred


When well tuned and a good blade

do you have any blade recommedations. i understand that the stock blade would not be very good. i have no ideas of blades.


dewalt 745
I would live to get a Dewalt but it’s waay over budget, the cheapest Dewalt the 745. is going for $840.

I personally believe that an inexpensive tool is inexpensive…

I completely agree with you. was thinking if I got the cheapest of the cheap it would be more trouble then it’s worth.

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#7 posted 08-04-2016 01:55 AM

Look at the Ridgid at Home Depot. The one with the collapsible support frame. I had an older version that worked great for me for 5 or 6 years.

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#8 posted 08-04-2016 04:09 AM

QUOTE: “I have them all & prefer the DeWalt by far” No kidding.I’d like to see a pic of that.Guess your a real expert?I’ve been doing this daily for 45 years and have yet to own or try “them all” The best tool of any kind is the tool that works best for you and fits your budget.
You can always upgrade when you feel you need to and have the extra cash. END QUOTE
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Yes, No Kidding, Im not an expert, just an expert table saw user & abuser. You caught me ;), I dont own a bosch but a guy at work has one that I often use. A photo? I don’t have that but heres a video I did several years ago reviewing a bunch of my table saws .. Im now more into cabinet saws but have acquired several more portable table saws since I shot the vid. If you’d like to, I believe you can view the first several seconds of the video to see the saws, its really not a big deal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idenTvNNdB0
I hope I didn’t come off sounding like some kind of know it all , just trying to help.

Yes I have a lot of real world experience with table saws & wood working. I have been eying the sawstop job site saw. Its a little pricey & bulky but one day I may get one. Since I like the dewalt Im pretty much over purchasing any more jobsite saws…

axam, sorry to hear the dewalt is so expensive over there, Perhaps you could swing the Makita, they are good quality. Also don’t be afraid to purchase second hand.

I agree about the craftsman belt saws, I have several & do enjoy using the one with the upgraded biesemeyer fence.

Axam, where are you located?

-- -Mike, Southern California, YouTube User ( Give & Take )

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bigJohninvegas

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#9 posted 08-04-2016 01:39 PM

http://www.grizzly.com/tablesaws?rankBy=price+asc

Check out this link to grizzly table saws. They have dewalt for under $500. And ship to your door.
As far as saw blades. One of the best would be the forest woodworker 2 blade. They are around $120.
I started out with the freud diablo blade thst you csn get at home depot. They are ok, but don’t last as long.
Good luck.

-- John

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axam

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#10 posted 08-05-2016 02:38 AM



grizzly table saws.

That looks awesome thanks for that…


where are you located?

But I am in Australia WA so that’s a bit further for delivery and cost!!

Do you think that the MAkita MLT100 is better then the Bosch GTS 10 J?

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bigJohninvegas

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#11 posted 08-05-2016 03:28 PM

Sorry axam, I was not thinking on a global scale. Not sure if they even ship to Australia.
I saw your location as WA and went right to Washington state, USA. Lol

-- John

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axam

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#12 posted 08-06-2016 03:24 AM


WA and went right to Washington state

No worries, easy mistake to make in this day and age.

Any recommendation on saw blades?

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LoyalAppleGeek

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#13 posted 08-06-2016 06:46 AM

As for Saw Blades, Freud all the way. They hold an edge very well, never get hot, stay clean for a long time, and with a diamond file can easily be re-sharpened to factory sharpness. The cheapest go for about $40 USD from Amazon.com

Also helpful is this video from John Heinz, the simplest way in the world to sharpen a blade, no jig required and FAST: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HVxHa-4X2YQ.

Lowes has several very good options for small table saws, among them Delta, Dewalt, Kobalt, Ryobi and Bosch, the cheapest being $279, pictured below. I use that saw frequently, and after a few adjustments, it performs very well.

Here’s the international shipping request form to fill out from Lowes: http://www.lowes.com/cd_International+Sales_776316152_

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axam

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#14 posted 08-06-2016 08:13 AM



As for Saw Blades, Freud

cool thanks for that, it is always handy to have/know of other places to source things from.

But I kinda want it yesterday!!

that Kobalt saw looks really good mind.

Thanks for the Freud saw blade tip as well !! i will try to source some locally. do you know if they go buy another brand name?

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#15 posted 08-06-2016 11:39 AM

Best bang for the buck in blades is usually the Freud Diablo or Irwin Marples blades. Both made in Italy, both high quality blades for the money. Sometimes closeouts can lead to better deals if you know what you’re looking for. Good quality is important, but so it the condition of the blade….clean and sharp is the only way to go. A high quality blade that’s gummed and dirty, will cut poorly, and will soon be a dull blade. Dirty blades cause excess heat, which causes premature dulling. Keep them clean.

Sharpening and honing your own blades can be a very risky venture. Do it wrong, and you can ruin a perfectly good blade. The Youtube video mentioned above about honing the face of the blade works well in that particular scenario, but if the tooth face isn’t 90° to the sharpening stone, you’ll change the hook angle, and likely make the blade perform worse. Proceed with caution! (professional sharping typically costs ~$15-$20, which may not make sense for a $20-$30 blade, but makes a lot of sense for a $60-$130 blade)

Portable saws are great for portability, but they give up a lot in comparison to a full size saw with a belt drive induction motor. Many times it’s just not feasible to go with a stationary saw on wheels, but if there’s anyway possible to make it work, you’ll end up with a more robust long term saw. The ABCs of Table Saws

Compare the landing zone area in front of the blade, which is the area that allows you to get a board settled and flush with the table surface before the board contacts the blade:

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#16 posted 08-06-2016 12:21 PM

Can you buy used?

-- Yonatan24, http://www.instructables.com/member/Yonatan24

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#17 posted 08-06-2016 02:07 PM

How about make your own tablesaw?

Check out Mattias Wandell on Youtube.

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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axam

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#18 posted 08-06-2016 02:54 PM



Best bang for the buck in blades is usually the Freud Diablo or Irwin Marples blades.

wow thanks for all the links and info.. a lot to go through but truly appreciated!!

thanks again

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axam

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#19 posted 08-06-2016 02:56 PM



Can you buy used?

- Yonatan24


How about make your own tablesaw?

Check out Mattias Wandell on Youtube.

- rwe2156

I can buy used but I am keen to get one as soon as possible.

Mattias Wandell is a legend! but not really able to build his magnificent creations, mind you i am thinking of building his table saw sledge

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LoyalAppleGeek

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#20 posted 08-07-2016 11:21 PM



Sharpening and honing your own blades can be a very risky venture. Do it wrong, and you can ruin a perfectly good blade. The Youtube video mentioned above about honing the face of the blade works well in that particular scenario, but if the tooth face isn t 90° to the sharpening stone, you ll change the hook angle, and likely make the blade perform worse. Proceed with caution! (professional sharping typically costs ~$15-$20, which may not make sense for a $20-$30 blade, but makes a lot of sense for a $60-$130 blade)

Very good tip, thank you for filling that in as I neglected to mention that the tooth must be parallel with the table.


Portable saws are great for portability, but they give up a lot in comparison to a full size saw with a belt drive induction motor. Many times it s just not feasible to go with a stationary saw on wheels, but if there s anyway possible to make it work, you ll end up with a more robust long term saw.

Good point, but for me personally, a difference in price margin of several hundred dollars drastically minimizes my desire for said extra features, especially if the issue of shipping cost must be taken into account. Shipping cost for an 80 pound Jobsite saw is an arm and a leg cheaper than a 400+ pound stationary saw. In fact, it ships free in the US. I do work daily, over two thirds cut on the tabs as, and never regret spending small for a small space. There’s absolutely a place for stationary saws, just not in my shop.


Compare the landing zone area in front of the blade, which is the area that allows you to get a board settled and flush with the table surface before the board contacts the blade.

Another good point, but in a small area you may not have space for an outfield table, in which case the additional support on the back may be advantageous. While of course that’s a small thing to call an advantage, again it’s taking into account the issue of space. As for the issue of alignment, I’ve ripped 2×6 foot sheet goods on the Kobalt with no problem and nobody holding the other side, just keep a steady hand. It’s easier with a deeper landing zone, but not necessarily an absolute must. Again taking into about the cost.

One caveat regarding the saw in the image: Nothing is square out of the box. If you don’t already, get a small framing square or speed square along with it to assist in the setup. In about 3 hours I had it working beautifully.

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axam

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#21 posted 08-08-2016 10:39 AM

I have just come across this table saw https://www.timbecon.com.au/sawing/table-saws/10in-worksite-saw

does anybody have any thoughts on the Sherwood brand any good

From the picture’s it appears to have better safety features then the Bosch would this be fair to say?

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#22 posted 08-08-2016 04:59 PM

I think that sherwood saw looks just like the ryobi saws that I see here in the U.S.
I’ll bet they all come off the same assembly line.
My first table saw was a ryobi that looked alot like that sherwood.
Was not impressed, and used it less than a year.
The bosch saw brand is known to me, though I have not owned it myself. To see a ryobi next to the bosch or dewalt saws side by side, not in a photo. The bosch saw seems more sturdy and of better quality than the ryobi I had.
At the time I purchased that ryobi saw, my budget would not allow for more.
I did not like the aluminum surface either.
In my opinion, I understand the need for portablity, if you can find one with a cast iron top. And look at knotscots post about the landing zone area I front of the blade. You will have a good saw.

-- John

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axam

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#23 posted 08-09-2016 01:30 AM



I think that sherwood saw looks just like the ryobi saws that I see here in the U.S.

Yeah I think your right it does appear shoddy.

I think the Bosch is the way to go, but others have suggested that the dewalt Dwe-7491xe is much better.

But that is so much more expensive, cheapest I found for that one is $850.

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#24 posted 08-09-2016 02:23 AM

I am guessing this is your first tablesaw and with limited experience behind the blade so to speak. Buy a small portable saw, with the idea that you will learn what you do and do not like as you use it. That said in the future when you wish to upgrade you will know more of what you need your saw to do for you in what you do. The old portable unit can then be used as away from the shop, or as I do for siding work when needed. Over time I upgraded based on experience and need but kept the old ones and use them in addition to the larger machines.

My 2 cents worth anyway.

-- Live to tell the stories, they sound better that way.

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LoyalAppleGeek

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#25 posted 08-09-2016 09:53 PM


I am guessing this is your first tablesaw and with limited experience behind the blade so to speak. Buy a small portable saw, with the idea that you will learn what you do and do not like as you use it. That said in the future when you wish to upgrade you will know more of what you need your saw to do for you in what you do. The old portable unit can then be used as away from the shop, or as I do for siding work when needed. Over time I upgraded based on experience and need but kept the old ones and use them in addition to the larger machines.

My 2 cents worth anyway.

- woodbutcherbynight


Those 2 cents were worth at least a dime, great advice. I had the cheapest of the cheap for years, and was able to craft beautiful work with them. You dont always need machines with lots of bells and whistles to make projects with lots of bells and whistles. I have low end tools 10 years old and still going strong, you just need to pay extra attention to taking care of them. If you’ve never had Bosch, Powermatic, SawStop or Delta to compare to, then everything seems great :-)

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axam

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#26 posted 08-15-2016 07:41 AM

Update !!

Hey just wanted to thank everyone for all the advice and input. wanted to update everyone to say that in the end I went with the Bosch GT J 10.

Thanks again!!!

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#27 posted 08-15-2016 06:18 PM


Update !!

Hey just wanted to thank everyone for all the advice and input. wanted to update everyone to say that in the end I went with the Bosch GT J 10.

Thanks again!!!

- axam


It looks like you made a fine choice :-) That’s a little beauty. I love Bosch products, and am glad you were able to get ahold of one of their products that isn’t premium priced :-) I’ll bet you’ll be having fun with it! I remember the first time I used a table saw was like stepping into a new world of endless creativity!

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