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Utility trailer. 8' or 12'?

by Holbs
posted 08-02-2016 07:33 PM


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#1 posted 08-02-2016 07:41 PM

I have neither, mine’s 10’ and the tongue adds about 4’ if I need to haul something thin like a lot of rebar. Weight capacity is another big factor, whatever you think you’ll want to haul, you want to make sure it has springs, axle & tires under it that will support the weight. Some 12’ trailers start to offer tandem axles which can make the ride nicer for you in the truck and the cargo in the trailer, but they’re more expensive, more maintenance and far more difficult to maneuver by hand vs. tow vehicle.

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#2 posted 08-02-2016 07:44 PM

I use a 12’ landscaping style trailer with metal sides, and a cage over the tongue. It hauls most everything I need, and longer stock can ride in the ladder rack on the side. Mine is a 5000# single axle trailer. It will haul about 500-600 b.f. of dry hardwood in a load.

It turns remarkably well. I have used 16’ flatbeds and they are a pain.
I think 12’ is the sweet spot for what I do.

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#3 posted 08-02-2016 08:25 PM

Mine is also 10’, and there are a few times I wish it was twelve. But even more importantly: mine has the 3500# axle, and there are LOTS of times I wish it was 5000#. No way would I want an 8’.

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#4 posted 08-02-2016 08:45 PM

I own a 14’ V-nose enclosed that doesn’t get used much because it is a PITA to maneuver (double axle…single would be easier I think). Bought a 10’ open a few months ago. You looking at enclosed or open? Enclosed have the benefits of keeping stuff dry but the price goes up a lot. If you want that then go with the ramp door (I didn’t and regret it). The open trailer works great…new designs will let the ramp gate fold into the trailer bed so length of material is not a problem (other than perhaps you need a red flag if stuff extends more beyond the trailer…used to be 24”...dunno know now).

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#5 posted 08-02-2016 09:05 PM

Mine is 16’x6’
Occasionally I wish I had a 12’ just to be a bit more “handy” with quick trips, etc, but the 16’ really comes in handy with rough sawn lumber runs and dealing with links of steel drill pipe and other standard length steel items.

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#6 posted 08-02-2016 09:06 PM

I have an 8’ for a couple decades, and have rarely longed for a larger one. Whenever I need to haul stuff longer than 8’, I pull the sides off and screw down some 12’ 2×10s to the bed, and it works fine for short runs. If I had a larger trailer I would find occasions where the extra capacity came in handy, but I don’t have the space for a longer trailer and it hasn’t been an issue for me in all these years, so I’m happy to just stick with an 8’.

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#7 posted 08-02-2016 09:55 PM

mine is a 10’ long by 5’ wide …... never wished I had a longer one but definitely a wider one ….... like 6’ X 12’ .......... oh well live and learn …....LMAO

-- Tony---- Reinholds,Pa.------ REMEMBER TO ALWAYS HAVE FUN

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#8 posted 08-02-2016 09:58 PM

For a couple hundred bucks you will kick yourself for buying the 8 footer. Might take awhile but it will happen.

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#9 posted 08-02-2016 10:09 PM

I bought a 16’ flat with 2’ dovetail and can haul 8,000 lbs. I realize this is vastly bigger than you’re talking, but I bought such a big one because I wanted to be able to do everything from haul a cabinet to haul a bobcat. I love having this trailer. I have wanted one for 10 years. So, I would say buy bigger than you think you need. If you buy just what you think you need, within 6 months you’ll want it to be bigger. Buy the longer option, but a single axel will be far more maneuverable by hand.

-- Bill M. "People change, walnut doesn't" by Gene.

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#10 posted 08-02-2016 11:01 PM

It doesn’t matter every “friend” and relative will want to borrow it or have you haul it !!!! ( Sorry one smart a** in every crowd! )

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#11 posted 08-03-2016 12:36 AM

I have a 5×8 and I pull it with my Suzuki SX4 hatchback.
The trailer is larger than my car, but works rather well.
There have been a few times I wanted to haul 16’ lumber and couldn’t.
I did haul 500 board feet of cherry from the saw mill about 8 miles to my house.
That was a challange because most of the boards were 11 ft long.
I let the ramp/tailgate down, loaded the boards hanging out the back, tied them down in the front, then pulled the ramp op to the bottom of the boards. This worked, but just barely because it was putting a negative load on my hitch. Car drove like hell.
Bottom line, wish I had gotten a 10 ft.

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#12 posted 08-03-2016 01:05 AM

Somebody once said, “Go big, or go home.”

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#13 posted 08-03-2016 01:09 AM

thanks guys for the input. My financial situation only allows me to afford a $1500 trailer on the infamous Home Depot CC. Else, I would wait for a local auction or craigslist :)
I took a gander at the HD trailers in person on my way home from work. Here are the two I am considering:
5x10 2250lb payload Tarter Gate trailer

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the 6x12 2070lb payload Tarter Gate trailer

I assume uses the same axle just one is a larger flatbed (added weight to the trailer means less for payload).
Upon purchase, HD even does the registration & title & temp tags for $40 or so.
Being in Nevada farmland area, the trailers on craigslist are on par with these price tags. Maybe I’ll flip a coin between the two and see who wins. Oh.. the price difference is $300 from $1197 to $1497.

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#14 posted 08-03-2016 11:20 AM

I bought a 5×8 utility trailer with the ramp years ago. It was one of the best investments I have made. It was great for moving kids to college, taking lawn tractor for service, hauling wood a many other things.

The only issue is that you need a place to park it. The majority of the time the 8 foot length works for me.

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#15 posted 08-03-2016 11:55 AM

12’

16’ even better they have tandem axles.

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#16 posted 08-03-2016 01:10 PM


thanks guys for the input. My financial situation only allows me to afford a $1500 trailer on the infamous Home Depot CC. Else, I would wait for a local auction or craigslist :)
I took a gander at the HD trailers in person on my way home from work. Here are the two I am considering:
5x10 2250lb payload Tarter Gate trailer

———————————————-

the 6x12 2070lb payload Tarter Gate trailer

I assume uses the same axle just one is a larger flatbed (added weight to the trailer means less for payload).
Upon purchase, HD even does the registration & title & temp tags for $40 or so.
Being in Nevada farmland area, the trailers on craigslist are on par with these price tags. Maybe I ll flip a coin between the two and see who wins. Oh.. the price difference is $300 from $1197 to $1497.

- Holbs

I bought the 10’x5’ a few months ago for $1,100. Was the “tubular” rails as opposed to the angle steel otherwise the same trailer you are looking at. Jack stand, 15” wheels. We live in farm country so a few different farm supply stores (Farm & Fleet, Fleet Farm, Thiesen’s) all sell them and I found pricing to be generally the same. You might want to check your state laws for licensing…not required here for trailers < 2,000lbs. You’ll want to purchase either a sand pad or a wheel for the jack stand. And you’ll need an adaptor for the lights…most likely the trailer will have a 4 pin “flat” connector and your truck will have a round socket. Word of advice is to remove the adaptor when you aren’t using it…people tend to steal them. And buy a coupler lock…these trailers are very popular and almost impossible to find if somebody believes in “redistribution”.

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#17 posted 08-03-2016 01:23 PM

I had a 4×8 for many years and was constantly frustrated with it being barely big enough for my needs. I finally sold it and got a 5×10 which serves my needs much better.

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#18 posted 08-03-2016 02:29 PM

Mine is 18’. Some days it’s too big and some days it’s too small. Most days it’s just right. It hauls my tractor, mowers, dirt, rock, brush and oh yeah, 16’ boards straight from the mill.

-- Bob

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#19 posted 08-05-2016 01:45 AM

Hmm… you guys have given me thought (which is highly appreciative). So no 8’ trailer. Comes down to 10’ or 12’. Width? 5’ or wider. Axle? Single seems the more ordinary easier to manage than tandem axle. Upon further research, I came across this trailer which I also may consider as a replacement to the HD 12’ one. This is 6.4’ x 14’ with a payload of 2040 for $100 less than the Home Depot’s 6’x12’:

CARRY ON 77″ X 14 GW

-- The Carpenter Bee is derived from the Ancient Greek word wood-cutter "xylokopos/ξυλοκὀπος"

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#20 posted 08-05-2016 02:12 AM

Well…mine is nine feet in the short position and fifteen stretched. for the really long objects I have taken the two sections apart and used a come along to bind the tongue and main section to the load, making the load a reach as it were. hauled 24 foot garage trusses and some 36 foot floor joists that way! best of both worlds. buy the short one for maneuverability an modify it with a telescoping reach.

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#21 posted 08-05-2016 12:39 PM

Go on craigslist and buy the biggest trailer you can find within your budget. A double axle landscape style trailer can be had pretty reasonably and your friends may be less likely to always want to borrow it due to the size.

-- Power to the people.

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#22 posted 08-05-2016 12:45 PM

Given what you say you are going to use it for, a 14 ft trailer seems like over kill. Like all “which one should I buy” threads, you need to buy based upon what you need now and in future.

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#23 posted 08-05-2016 01:07 PM

True Red… I have to decide what’s best for my situation. 14’ is overkill for my purposes :) I was just comparing the 12’ and 14’ trailers as comparison. Ease of storage, moving around were not things I considered until they were posted in this thread. I know wood working machine name brands and the expected quality that comes from those name brands…but not trailers.

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#24 posted 08-05-2016 02:30 PM

IM SO glad you have got it figured out
mine is from Lowes
I think 1 manufacture makes all of them

-- Tony---- Reinholds,Pa.------ REMEMBER TO ALWAYS HAVE FUN

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#25 posted 08-05-2016 02:48 PM

Tony…how is your Lowe’s trailer holding up? I read some reviews on Home Depot trailers. Lots of hit & misses on small things, but everyone says functional trailer

-- The Carpenter Bee is derived from the Ancient Greek word wood-cutter "xylokopos/ξυλοκὀπος"

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#26 posted 08-05-2016 04:07 PM

I have a 16ft enclosed trailer. I use it for tool storage. The truck I used to pull it with was a Dually. I travelled a lot and needed lots of tools with me.
Then I bought a 12 ft tandem trailer. This is a gem ! Pulls easy, locks up at site and keeps tools dry and dust free.
The trailer I use most is my little 12ft utility trailer. “Bought it for $150” put sides, large poly tool box across front, and a solid poly tool box in the back. I carry ladders, materials, scaffolds, when I do metal roofs the lumberyard sets the metal on the trailer with his forklift.

I have purchased an 8 ft enclosed to move with. Too small. Towed excellent.!
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#27 posted 08-05-2016 04:08 PM

“Utility trailer. 8” or 12’?”

8 inch trailer is too small. :>/

5×10 seems to be a good size. 12’ would be better.
Easy to haul and maneuver, yet big enough to move a majority of things.
I do like the 77×14’ myself

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#28 posted 08-05-2016 04:19 PM

I would say it depends on how often you need to haul large stuff. My personal choice would be to get an 8’ one and rent a larger one for the rare times that you need it.

You probably want to stay away from the $300 ones at HF. They have tires that are not rated for highway use. Get one with real tires. You will pay a lot more, but you won’t have to worry about it breaking down every time you use it.

-- Steve

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#29 posted 08-05-2016 04:39 PM

does anyone praise / gripe about their trailer manufacturer? The reviews at Home Depot about Tarter Gates are hit & miss (probably due to teenage kids assembling trailer and not being familiar) while at professional trailer location, they might have a better understanding of quality since their income is based on reputation.

-- The Carpenter Bee is derived from the Ancient Greek word wood-cutter "xylokopos/ξυλοκὀπος"

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#30 posted 08-05-2016 05:51 PM

I wound up buying mine at a “real” trailer store. When I carefully compared what they had to what the box stores and TSC had, the extra quality was worth the $100 premium I paid (IMHO). the one I got was a Sure Trac, though there are a lot of higher quality names available.

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#31 posted 08-05-2016 06:02 PM

My 16 ft is a Haulmark. Built in USA. WELL built. Solid Frame. Solid Hitch. Good rubber mounted shock absorbing lights. I paid more money for this one. It was worth it.
The flat deck I use most is an old Camper Trailer chassis and frame.
Some of the utility trailer companies use lighter wheel bearings, lighter brakes systems, lighter frame material. If you are doing VERY light hauling it might be fine for awhile.
I look for trailers with 14” or 15” tires. Bigger diameter last longer.
I wouldn’t pay extra dollars for an aluminum either ! Where I live RUST isn’t an issue.
As most have mentioned, it depends on WHAT you plan on hauling .

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#32 posted 08-05-2016 06:17 PM

could I also ask what you guys paid “new” ? No Harbor Freight trailer, thank you :) I can actually go all the way up to $7500 for a trailer. I really just need cargo utility (not dump, or high wall, or enclosed). Just undecided of manufacturer, and length. And gotta pay it off hence my $1000-$1500 ideal target.

-- The Carpenter Bee is derived from the Ancient Greek word wood-cutter "xylokopos/ξυλοκὀπος"

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#33 posted 08-05-2016 06:32 PM


It doesn t matter every “friend” and relative will want to borrow it or have you haul it !!!! ( Sorry one smart a in every crowd! )

- jkid


Nothing smart a
- about it. They will come asking as soon as they find out you have it and they will almost always want YOU to do the Hauling because ” I don’t know how to tow or backup a trailer ” Been there had that happen.

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#34 posted 08-05-2016 06:42 PM

Rich and Jkid… luckily, closest family lives 3,000 miles away. And all my close friends escaped Nevada when the economy crashed. So I’m safe :)

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#35 posted 08-05-2016 06:46 PM

I used to borrow trailers for 15 years, so I kinda owe somebody. Nobody has asked to borrow mine, but it will happen. My trailer is 22’ long and over 8’ wide. Most people are not gonna be able to handle it. Also, though it’s able to carry 8,400lbs, I will not let anybody do that and especially not without a 3/4 ton truck or bigger.

-- Bill M. "People change, walnut doesn't" by Gene.

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#36 posted 08-05-2016 06:48 PM

I came here to recommend the 8” trailer.

Sigh.

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#37 posted 08-05-2016 06:49 PM

corrected ste :)

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#38 posted 08-05-2016 06:50 PM

The 8” trailer in our family belongs to my 6 year old. They’ll have to ask him to borrow it. He usually pulls it with a toy tractor, but I suppose anything could pull it.

-- Bill M. "People change, walnut doesn't" by Gene.

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#39 posted 08-05-2016 07:31 PM

Agreed, 8” is too small, go with 12’.

I wish I had room for a trailer but I do not.

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#40 posted 08-05-2016 08:12 PM

Holbs, this year I’ve bought 2 trailers, a 6×10 3500# axle utility with folding tailgate for $1350. The second was an 18’ car hauler with 2 5000# axles and it was $3200. Both have a “setback” trailer jack (allows the tailgate of my truck to open while it’s hitched, and both are powder coated instead of paint. The floors are treated wood (not all of them are, and you want treated wood). Those 3 features are the primary reasons (there were a few others, nicer better tires/wheels, tube frame versus angle iron, etc.) I bought them…neither was the cheapest, but the premium was $100 on the small one and maybe $250 on the large one. I’m not one to wave banners for local businesses and so on, but in these cases for me it made sense.

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#41 posted 08-05-2016 08:16 PM



could I also ask what you guys paid “new” ? No Harbor Freight trailer, thank you :) I can actually go all the way up to $7500 for a trailer. I really just need cargo utility (not dump, or high wall, or enclosed). Just undecided of manufacturer, and length. And gotta pay it off hence my $1000-$1500 ideal target.

- Holbs

I think you’ll find that the open trailers are identical regardless of manufacturer. Many are made in Indiana (trailer capital of the world)...mine was made in Kansas. As far as I can tell they all use axles made by Dexter…from there the box is the box. You don’t mention your driveway situation. Mine is narrow and me being “rusty” on backing a trailer, it can be challenging to avoid those “smile” marks on your truck so I would keep it as short as you can for your typical hauling needs. As I said above, most of the ramp gates will fold into the bed allowing you to haul longer pieces than the bed length. Now the other thing…you mentioned your truck…are you set up for a trailer? Typical is a 2” receiver that you’ll need to add the ball attachment to. You’ll have to guess on the “drop” for that but on a 1/2 ton 4×4 I’d guess that 2” will work (best to keep a little “nose-up” I think) but if your truck sits high you might need a 4” drop. Around here they sell for about $20. And then wiring…if your truck is not equipped then you’ll have to deal with that.

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#42 posted 08-05-2016 08:19 PM

tee… my hitch & wiring are setup up (done so this week). Yes, the truck sits high so will have to look at these drops. My driveway is aok. I have a 2 car driveway on one side, and RV parking on the other, all blacktop.

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#43 posted 08-05-2016 08:58 PM



tee… my hitch & wiring are setup up (done so this week). Yes, the truck sits high so will have to look at these drops. My driveway is aok. I have a 2 car driveway on one side, and RV parking on the other, all blacktop.

- Holbs

Got it…Will most likely be a 2” ball. My GMC 1500 4×4 also sits high but I found that the 2” drop was perfect with the trailer that has the 15” wheels. I have a 2 5/16” ball for the larger trailer and they said it wanted a 4” drop…too much IMHO. Maybe would work on a 3/4 ton but not so good on my 1500. Now a lot of people like those “multi-ball” couplers but from what I hear you will want to lock them to the vehicle…like your trailer and your wiring adaptor, it only takes a few seconds to “redistribute”...the cost is not so much a problem as is the fact you might be stranded somewhere. Final point…buy a can or two of gloss spray paint…I use mine for a ztr mower and it takes a beating!

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#44 posted 08-05-2016 09:05 PM

Fred, you just described the car hauler I just bought. Mine was about the same price. I love it. Perfect for me. There are lots of trailers made in Sikeston MO. They said they could make a trailer for me with the same ratings for $2000, but they just looked cheap. Mine is a Trailerman.

-- Bill M. "People change, walnut doesn't" by Gene.

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#45 posted 08-05-2016 09:42 PM

The ones I bought are Sure Trac, made in Columbus OH. I realize that Indiana is the capital of such things, but they aren’t exclusive. I am sure the more common ones (box stores, farm stores, etc.) are made to some common standards at some of the “commodity” manufacturers.

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#46 posted 08-05-2016 09:54 PM

I now have an 8’ and do not need anything bigger. However, you have to know what you want to do now and in the future. Are you wanting to haul equipment or logs or anything else that needs a longer bed.

Since you have a truck with what I am assuming 8’ bed you might be wanting to haul something else besides 12’ or 14’ lumber since you can do so in the truck.

-- It is always the right time, to do the right thing.

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#47 posted 08-05-2016 11:41 PM



I now have an 8 and do not need anything bigger. However, you have to know what you want to do now and in the future. Are you wanting to haul equipment or logs or anything else that needs a longer bed.

Since you have a truck with what I am assuming 8 bed you might be wanting to haul something else besides 12 or 14 lumber since you can do so in the truck.

- Arlin Eastman

Yup…except that the bed on a typical extended/crew cab is 6’6” or 6” with the tailgate shut. And it sits high (I need a ladder to get into the back of mine). I love the ramp feature on the trailer…drive the ztr mower up, walk down and I’m on my way to mow my MIL’s lawn. Will be just as handy when I take the drive for my next lumber trip.

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#48 posted 08-06-2016 04:20 PM

Someone mentioned the shortest trailer for your needs, to assist with backing up. That is IMO, completely opposite of what I see. A longer wheelbase is easier to backup. I fish, a lot, and have backed up a TON of trailers in my short time on earth, and I have never met a harder trailer to keep straight than a little 14’ jon boat trailer. Let me back a 32’ regulator triple-axle trailer down the ramp and I could probably do it blindfolded.

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#49 posted 08-06-2016 04:41 PM

Yep it looks like you have a short bed not a regular sized bed which I did not notice if you posted, but like I said get what you think you need for the future.

-- It is always the right time, to do the right thing.

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#50 posted 08-06-2016 08:19 PM


Someone mentioned the shortest trailer for your needs, to assist with backing up. That is IMO, completely opposite of what I see. A longer wheelbase is easier to backup. I fish, a lot, and have backed up a TON of trailers in my short time on earth, and I have never met a harder trailer to keep straight than a little 14 jon boat trailer. Let me back a 32 regulator triple-axle trailer down the ramp and I could probably do it blindfolded.

- ste6168

That is purely a function of the tongue length I think…increases with the length of the body of the trailer (it’s an engineering thing). Also increases the overall length of the trailer. My truck is probably 22’ overall…that 14’ v-nose almost doubles that so in tight spots it can be a problem.

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